palestine/israel, what would it take?

[Satanical Eve]

Israel will have its own Flushing.

LOLOLOL I'm dying over here

 

[weed]

^^ imagine that shit? I mean fucking seriously - imagine that shit.

 

[Its Me Austin]

People STILL use this nonsense?

 

[Jukai]

The only way this might be resolved is for the Israelis to allow the Palistinians to prosper, the vice of poverty and oppression just inspires more hate.

You do know that in the first half of the occupation (late 60s to early 90s), the Palestinian economy was raising by 7% every year. Then the PA was officially granted power to govern the people and the intifada started and everything went to shit.

So, you know, there goes that theory.

 

[Banchan]

staying out of it means not arming them and not covering their apartheid state in the UN.

Arms are a huge source of revenue. They will just buy arms from your competitors. China will just waltz right in there and happily supply both sides.

 

[A Muse of Fire]

[QU viee of things us more like thatOTE=Marsupial;96998349]You're quite far-left, I'm sure you'll agree, and though I am broadly centre-left overall, my liberal hawk stances are anathema to you and you're prompted to oppose them, in much the same way I react to your reflexive Chomskyite tendencies, reciprocating hostility.



Picking on minorities ain't cool, man.

Bottom line is this - the Israel/Palestine topic generates heated, often furious, responses here (as it does everywhere) and, barring a few notable exceptions, most of the people posting on it are neither Israeli nor Palestinian. That's kinda the general pattern. So it makes little sense to criticize me on the grounds that I have strong opinions on the subject, when there don't appear to be any other kind (other than Zankou's bottomless cynicism), but no personal stake in the conflict, when that's common to most people posting on the subject.

I'm speculating, but I think the reason people get pissed off with my pro-Israel views is because I tend to express them in a level-headed and quite emotionally detached manner that people who disagree with me find infuriatingly cold. I think they'd prefer it if I was ranting nonsense like, "all Arabs suck! moozlems gonna moozlem!" perhaps because they could more closely relate to that kind of emotional incontinence.[/QUOTE]

No I dont think in the same good /evil binary you do or that Chomsky does in some of his books. Im also not fooled by ideological rhetoric like you are. You take every violent hamas/ Iran statement as true and don't consider it is bullshit.

Im picking one you because your posts are detached and calm. The other poster might be physically far away from the struggle but they are emotionally invested. It is personal to them. Which is kind of silly but understandable.

You say you have a strong opinion, but it is nothing personal or emotional. Which is odd .
Im thinking either you dont really give a damn and just post to be funny, or ya are emotionally attached to the issue but dont want to admit it.

 

[A Muse of Fire]

If it makes you feel better Marsup I think most of the other posters on Sherdog have unreasonable views for no good reason too

 

[Marsupial]

[QU viee of things us more like thatOTE=Marsupial;96998349]You're quite far-left, I'm sure you'll agree

Damn you, Muse! Learn to use the quotes properly!

War Room standards, sir. War Room standards.

You say you have a strong opinion, but it is nothing personal or emotional. Which is odd .

I don't have a personal stake in the conflict, and it's not worth getting emotional when posting here (and obviously ridiculous to do so) but my opinions on Israel/Palestine are sincere and do arise from a genuine feeling of disgust I have for what I perceive as unhinged and unwarranted hostility toward the world's only Jewish state, and by extension Jews as a whole.

 

[CableandThanos]

nvmd

 

[Daido_Juku]

It's the nature of the people to side with the oppressed. And that's why majority are siding with the Palestines. But let's look at the real story, Hamas plan - Sacrifice more Palestine so the world will condemn Israel. That's it.

This quotes always tells the truth "If Arab will surrender it's Gun's there will be Peace!, but if Israel Surrender it's Gun's there will be no more Israel!".

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Both Israel, and Palestinian militant groups disarm and disband. A third party, international coalition comes in and occupies both Israel and Palestinian lands. They serve all security functions like customs, border patrols, law enforcement, and external security like fighting off ISIS if they ever decide to turn their noses toward the Med. Each side can make their own laws pertaining only to themselves and locally. But all laws must be approved by international coalition, and all law enforcement and judicial functions will be performed by international coalition. And only international coalition can decide who can live where.

 

[vespasian]

USA disengages, then let them fight it out to the end. Winner takes it all.

 

[IGIT]

the lead stories on the news the last few days has been the killing of the teenagers from both sides. i just saw that the palestinian boy was actually burnt to death!
what would it take to achieve peace?

i think if we went 100 yrs into the future there would still be this continuous conflict.
even if israel hadn't of invaded palestine but some other country instead, the arabs would still hate the jews, its in their blood so to speak. thanks to mohammad.

if the israelis gave back 50%[which they wouldn't of course]of the land, the palestinians wouldn't be satisfied. how much land do they want?
i know the answer is 100%, but it can never happen unfortunately. then of course there would be arguements accusing the other of taking the 'best' land.

i just get tired of the news stories over the decades. ever so often reporters will talk as if they believe this could by the time for peace, when they must know there will never be peace.
i'd love america to be really critical of the israelis, but they won't.
i think obama has called for the 1967 borders to come into effect? how much land would that give the palestinians?

hello Squeezewax,

an interesting question...."what would it take"?

i think Hamas actually softened its position in late 2006. they're willing to be to flexible about the '67 borders, but i believe there is some quid pro quo that Meshaal is going to expect.

certainly i think at the very least it will take a two state solution to sate the Palestinians.

- IGIT

 

[machidafan99]