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palestine/israel, what would it take?

SammyPops said:
seriously? I had no idea!

I did not even know the term until I read Nicky using it lol
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Haha. I'm just giving you a hard time because Nicky said that in the last thread (I copied his post exactly). I never thought it was offensive, but who knows.
 
Good post by a facebook friend if mine

"K, everyone who's "devastated that Jews are capable" of murdering that Palestinian teenager needs to stop saying so. Immediately, please. You're making us all look like narcissistic assholes; being Jewish doesn't make us immune to the impulses of anger and rage, because that would mean being better-than-human, and that's not an appealing thought process to have associated with one's culture. This is not the first time in history a Jew has committed murder just like other people in the world do, and it won't be the last, so let's stop acting like it's such a shocker.

Instead, let's please just be devastated that this happened in the first place and deplore Mohammad's family's loss. The situation in Israel is already very tense and the last thing we need is to give fuel to our enemies that allow them to point out to everyone how Jews think they're better than everyone else.... because that's exactly what you're doing."
 
Jukai said:
It's true. Bibi really fucked over the last round after Olmert made so much fucking headway. It's frustrating.
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olmert's deal should be known as the "the pelosi" because the palestinians had to agree to it, before they knew what was in it lol.
 
ripskater said:
what would it take? It would take it's neighbors to stop attacking Isreal. That will never happen though. Peace rests in the hands of the ones who instigate the violence.
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You mean the neighbors who are currently occupied? thats like a rapist saying to its victim that it should let herself go so she doesnt gets hurt.

I had no pity for lebanon when it was bombed back in 2006, i have pity for west bank which is occupied and Gaza which is sieged.
 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-mjnjwwEDi8

Pro Palestinians have to be embarrassed by this protest in San Francisco. Chants of "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" will not help lead to peace or to the creation of a Palestinian state. Nor do chants of "long live the intifada" or "we support the intifada" help the Palestinians in any meaningful way.
 
Phlog said:
I don't think I've ever spoken to anyone who believes Israel is in the right who wasn't Jewish.

The world pretty much views the whole thing as an invasion, now the world's largest concentration camp.

I'm of Irish stock and the whole thing rings bells for me.

Oh and on the whole moral equivalency issue: There is none, Israel kills and harms many more than Palistinians do. America supplying Israel with nukes and supporting them militarily is the only reason this hasn't already resolved itself.
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this, bigotry is what it boils down to.
 
Marsupial said:
Arab violence toward Jews in the area predates the occupation, and even the creation of modern Israel. Jews accepted the Partition Plan, the Arab counter offer was to start a war to expel or kill them all.
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Palestine no longer belong to the countries that did such invasion, they are more closely related to jews than arabs genetically and those wars happened almost 50 years ago.

It's not a game that boils down to numbers. If the death toll was perfectly even, would you be perfectly neutral? (If more Israelis had died, would you be pro-Israel?)
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If death toll was more neutral, Israel would had pulled out of the West Bank long time ago, like it did from Lebanon.

Besides, Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups often invoke the Islamist refrain of how they love death more than their enemies love life. That attitude, combined with a penchant for cowering behind human shields and deliberately provoking a more powerful military force, will inevitably lead to unnecessary civilian casualties. This is what groups like Hamas want, however. They use the deaths of the people they purport to represent as currency in their war against Israel. Strategic nihilism.
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Yeah right, because a cripple driving going to a mosque = provoking a civilian attack and using human shields, also IDF soldiers also use human shields.

Where does international law stand on launching rockets at a civilian populace (from within a civilian populace), as well as kidnapping and murdering civilians?
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International law says that occupation is valid, transfering population and stealing land its not.

(Hint: It's a lot more clear cut than the issue of whether or not you can build houses in disputed territory.)
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Show me where it says that acts of aggression can be countered with colonization.

I'm very confident that you're entirely wrong about that. Hamas throws rockets at Israel, kidnaps and murders kids, cowers behind human shields, incites genocide and issues racist proclamations incessantly, and all the time the useful idiots who hate Israel continue to solely blame the Jewish state for the ongoing conflict.
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I blame the side that can stop the violence, Hamas are the symptoms or an extremely oppressed population, it only exists because the conditions allow it to exist, thats why Lebanon became tame when occupation ended and Hezbollah gained recognition.

Would you support the Apartheid because the resistance used violence against civilians? Probably you would considering how they were best buddies with Israel.
 
jeffk said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-mjnjwwEDi8

Pro Palestinians have to be embarrassed by this protest in San Francisco. Chants of "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" will not help lead to peace or to the creation of a Palestinian state. Nor do chants of "long live the intifada" or "we support the intifada" help the Palestinians in any meaningful way.
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any protest that happens in san fran is going to suck lol
 
Marsupial is a re re for using the term "disputed lands" that's such an obvious paid to post troll job. there is nothing disputed, israel is stealing land illegally under international law. it's cut and dry.
 
jeffk said:
Good post by a facebook friend if mine

"K, everyone who's "devastated that Jews are capable" of murdering that Palestinian teenager needs to stop saying so. Immediately, please. You're making us all look like narcissistic assholes; being Jewish doesn't make us immune to the impulses of anger and rage, because that would mean being better-than-human, and that's not an appealing thought process to have associated with one's culture. This is not the first time in history a Jew has committed murder just like other people in the world do, and it won't be the last, so let's stop acting like it's such a shocker.

Instead, let's please just be devastated that this happened in the first place and deplore Mohammad's family's loss. The situation in Israel is already very tense and the last thing we need is to give fuel to our enemies that allow them to point out to everyone how Jews think they're better than everyone else.... because that's exactly what you're doing."
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amazing, from facebook too.


I don't even use that garbage yet that's probably the first sincere thing I've ever read from FB.
 
Hollywood Nicky said:
olmert's deal should be known as the "the pelosi" because the palestinians had to agree to it, before they knew what was in it lol.
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This is not true. I don't know why you keep saying that.
No one is blaming the PA for not accepting it, there was never any deal on the table. Olmert and Abbas got close but Olmert said not to rush things and let him focus on winning the election and they'd get back to finalizing the details afterwards... then Bibi won the election and the deal was scrapped.

What are you talking about?
 
Zoti said:
So you're just mad because in your eyes Israel is winning?
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No, because your excuse for Israel breaking the 4th geneva convention is excessive palestinian force.
 
Rod1 said:
No, because your excuse for Israel breaking the 4th geneva convention is excessive palestinian force.
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Israel is doing it's best to minimize civilian casulties. Most of those killed in the last few days were militants.
 
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