International P0rnhub pulls out of France. Losing traction elsewhere. The decline of non age-verifiable pr0n?

[DoctorTaco]

I understood, I was hoping the way I presented that would help you see the inconsistency in your position

As with anything that is potentially harmful, The government regulates safety up to a point and from there there it becomes the responsibility of the citizenry to take over.

 

[SKYNET]

As with anything that is potentially harmful, The government regulates safety up to a point and from there there it becomes the responsibility of the citizenry to take over.

Right so, to be clear

1. you did see the inconsistency in your position?

2. Citizenry, for example, did not have the final say in regards to a ban on children smoking cigarettes, obviously government instituted a ban because of the physical harm it causes.

Would you say the psychological harm inflicted on another persons child primarily caused by a secret/hidden addiction to porn, is less harmful, simply because the number of deaths between two specfic dangerous vices, you as a parent, would not want your kids involved in, is lower?

 

[DoctorTaco]

1. you did see the inconsistency in your position?

No.

Citizenry, for example, did not have the final say in regards to a ban on children smoking cigarettes, obviously government instituted a ban because of the physical harm it causes.

Correct. The government made it illegal to sell cigarettes to kids, and it’s up to parents to make sure their kids don’t clear the relatively short hurdles to getting them and smoking them anyways.

Would you say the psychological harm inflicted on another persons child primarily caused by a secret/hidden addiction to porn, is less harmful, simply because the number of deaths between two specfic dangerous vices, you as a parent, would not want your kids involved in, is lower?

I’m not sure what you’re asking here.

 

[Crazy Source]

I don’t equate every potential danger A kid might face as a societal risk. It is not hard for parents to enact basic safety measures and personal responsibility in their kids to prevent them from consuming pornography.

The measures any parent can easily take are about as difficult to overcome as anything the government could do on a macro scale

Be a fucking parent. I think you touched on this, but it's funny that the same people that don't want schools to raise their kids are advocating government intervention here. Raise you kid. Teach them right from wrong. Tell them about dangers that are out there. I saw things that were much more dangerous than porn by the time I was 12.

 

[scoopj]

unlikely you are going to answer this question either (only one so far, has) but I'll give it a shot.


Should society ban all harmful things?

I know you weren't asking me, but IMO, no we should not. In fact, we COULD not. Water toxicity is a thing, and we can't ban water. And government coming up with a scheme to prevent water toxicity while not banning water isn't feasible.

You can't feasibly ban driving, despite traffic accidents consistently being one of the two most common causes of death among that teenage demographic.

So it comes down to risk/reward. The reward of internet porn is zero IMO, so banning it for people under a certain age should be considered. And making it difficult for children to access is a no-brainer.

I've not been keeping up with this thread. What was your position, and what was the position of the guy you quoted?

 

[Lycandroid]

You know what’s the good hallmark of a moral panic and how you know it’s just Tony that serious? It’s when people ask a simple question like this and think it wraps up a complex topic. No one thinks that’s good. But then no one thinks blaring death metal or gangster rap at kids was good in the 90s either. It’s the same cycle repeated ad nauseam and it seems like we’re going to just repeat it with every new generation.

You probably saw porn as a kid. Someone probably snuck a magazine into school. You probably had the internet by the time you were 13 or 14 and you looked up some porn when no one was around. Most people did. It wasn’t “good” when you did it but you survived it just fine.

What I find actually harmful about this nonsense is that we have mental health workers out there trying to diagnose everyone with porn addiction. Sure a minuscule percentage actually do have this as a problem. For most people it’s probably a symptom of something else that needs to be treated and they are trying to self medicate with porn.

Everyone of these moral panics has victims from our mania. They all blow over eventually. This shit I’m talking about right now is not made up. If some of you guys could calm your nuts and bother reading a little bit you probably wouldn’t be acting hysterical right now

You do realize that there is a death toll linked to this industry, there are destroyed lives and relationships, there are health risks for both users and participants.

Moral Panic my ass. You just don't have any.

 

[Blayt7hh]

You do realize that there is a death toll linked to this industry, there are destroyed lives and relationships, there are health risks for both users and participants.

Moral Panic my ass. You just don't have any.

Yes you are an ass. Another hallmark of these moral panics is people like you and @SKYNET get completely self righteous and can’t even be reasoned with

You do realize there are death tolls linked to a lot of things. If you were coming in here and saying we need to regulate the industry and protect the workers in it, I would agree with you.

Guess what? This shit has existed forever. Phones are new and scary to your old brain. I get it. But the sky is not falling.

 

[Blayt7hh]

on the contrary, you are genuine and earnest

Yeah he’s definitely not though. Home boy was slicing my posts up to try and misrepresent what I was sayin

 

[Crazy Source]

You do realize that there is a death toll linked to this industry, there are destroyed lives and relationships, there are health risks for both users and participants.

Moral Panic my ass. You just don't have any.

Do you know how many people have died from working in the coal industry? Construction? See where I'm going with this?

People make choices. They live with their choices. In America, they can make those choices. Or not make those choices. That's the beauty of it.

 

[Lycandroid]

Yes you are an ass. Another hallmark of these moral panics is people like you and @SKYNET get completely self righteous and can’t even be reasoned with

You do realize there are death tolls linked to a lot of things. If you were coming in here and saying we need to regulate the industry and protect the workers in it, I would agree with you.

Guess what? This shit has existed forever. Phones are new and scary to your old brain. I get it. But the sky is not falling.

Yes lots of things have death tolls, normally we try to mitigate or eliminate that death toll, we regard to porn we just sweep that under the rug entirely, with the promoting and proliferation of this we are only asking for more suffering and death. Regulation of this would prevent the spread of disease, but really that is about it. All of the societal harms cannot be regulated away. If so please explain.

I think me and Skynet are two of the only reasonable posters in this thread, this topic has come up a few times recently in the war room and every time we have posters who are so passionately pro porn it really opens a window to how much of a hold it does have on their life whether they admit it or not. If I met someone on the street who went on such a passionate rant about porn I would probably keep my distance, and certainly not shake their hand.

 

[Lycandroid]

Do you know how many people have died from working in the coal industry? Construction? See where I'm going with this?

People make choices. They live with their choices. In America, they can make those choices. Or not make those choices. That's the beauty of it.

Yeah and those are jobs that are required to keep society running, putting your body through the ringer and maybe even dying to build the backbone of society is an honorable sacrifice.

Pornography is not.

Choices yes, should we promote making stupid choices and then sweep the consequences under the rug ? That is what is done with pornography.

 

[SKYNET]

Another hallmark of these moral panics is people like you and @SKYNET get completely self righteous and can’t even be reasoned with

So No?

 

[Blayt7hh]

Yes lots of things have death tolls, normally we try to mitigate or eliminate that death toll, we regard to porn we just sweep that under the rug entirely, with the promoting and proliferation of this we are only asking for more suffering and death. Regulation of this would prevent the spread of disease, but really that is about it. All of the societal harms cannot be regulated away. If so please explain.

I think me and Skynet are two of the only reasonable posters in this thread, this topic has come up a few times recently in the war room and every time we have posters who are so passionately pro porn it really opens a window to how much of a hold it does have on their life whether they admit it or not. If I met someone on the street who went on such a passionate rant about porn I would probably keep my distance, and certainly not shake their hand.

See that last paragraph right there is where you tip your hand. You know that self righteousness I talked about? There it is.

Porn doesn’t have a hold on their life. You’re buying into fake news that it’s this massive addiction spread through the country tuning lives. The reality is of all those people you’re seeing defend it, you’re projecting onto them what you expect them to be. You’ve already decided that if someone does watch porn than their opinion on it is tainted and you don’t listen. You now think everyone that cranks it to a porn clip once in a while is the dude from MTVs true life episode

This really is text book moral panic stuff. You guys should really just read about what a moral panic is and read the ones we’ve gone through.

 

[Crazy Source]

Yeah and those are jobs that are required to keep society running, putting your body through the ringer and maybe even dying to build the backbone of society is an honorable sacrifice.

Pornography is not.

Choices yes, should we promote making stupid choices and then sweep the consequences under the rug ? That is what is done with pornography.

Your first point is a good one. Well played.

I keep coming back to personal freedom. I understand you have a moral issue in play with this, but not everyone has your morals. This is protected speech. That covers the people producing it, but more importantly it gives me the right to consume it. I do understand, if you are being sincere, being empathetic towards people. It is a noble character trait.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Yeah he’s definitely not though. Home boy was slicing my posts up to try and misrepresent what I was sayin

I’m just trying to make friends across the isle and raise the level of discourse around here.

 

[DoctorTaco]

You do realize there are death tolls linked to a lot of things.

What do you call a logger with 10 fingers?

“New guy”

 

[Lycandroid]

See that last paragraph right there is where you tip your hand. You know that self righteousness I talked about? There it is.

Porn doesn’t have a hold on their life. You’re buying into fake news that it’s this massive addiction spread through the country tuning lives. The reality is of all those people you’re seeing defend it, you’re projecting onto them what you expect them to be. You’ve already decided that if someone does watch porn than their opinion on it is tainted and you don’t listen. You now think everyone that cranks it to a porn clip once in a while is the dude from MTVs true life episode

This really is text book moral panic stuff. You guys should really just read about what a moral panic is and read the ones we’ve gone through.

You should read what a moral panic is yourself. The moral panics you speak of like the Satanic Panic or the Red Scare are based on religious fundamentalism or direct government propaganda. They were lacking in evidence to justify said cause in the first place.

The difference here is that we have DECADES of undeniable evidence proving the harms caused by pornography, this is not based on irrational moralism but scientific fact. You cannot make a single argument as to how porn could be good for society in anyway unless money above all else guides your morality and if that is your argument you lose the morality argument before you even start.

Your first point is a good one. Well played.

I keep coming back to personal freedom. I understand you have a moral issue in play with this, but not everyone has your morals. This is protected speech. That covers the people producing it, but more importantly it gives me the right to consume it. I do understand, if you are being sincere, being empathetic towards people. It is a noble character trait.

People aren't smart or responsible enough to have unlimited freedoms. This is why I put plugs in my outlets, I don't give my son the freedom to stick his finger where ever he pleases, because I see the harms that he will cause upon himself when he does not. This is why we have laws, this is why we have organized religion.

The average Joe is not smart enough or responsible enough to have unlimited freedoms. If they did society would collapse very quickly. You have to maintain the delicate balance between freedom and control.

We can see this failure to do so playing out before our very eyes, the government is restricting more and more of the freedoms that allow us to live meaningful productive lives, while simultaneously giving us more freedom to harm ourselves and society.

What do you call a logger with 10 fingers?

“New guy”

We used to say a carpenter with 1 missing finger knows what he is doing listen to him. If a carpenter is missing two fingers don't listen to a word he says

 

[DoctorTaco]

This is why I put plugs in my outlets

Should it be the governments job to make sure your kid doesn’t stick a fork in a socket?

 

[Crazy Source]

Should it be the governments job to make sure your kid doesn’t stick a fork in a socket?

@Lycandroid is a cafeteria Constitutionalist.

 

[Crazy Source]

The average Joe is not smart enough.............

No shit, genius. This is the price we pay for living in a free society. You either want to protect free speech or you don't. You don't get to pick and choose. I have no interest in continuing this conversation.