International P0rnhub pulls out of France. Losing traction elsewhere. The decline of non age-verifiable pr0n?

[SKYNET]

I wasn't being passive aggressive. I tagged you. That is directly aggressive.

Directly aggressive would be replying to my post directly not indirectly

ie if you had a problem with my long posts you would tag which post you are refering to and reply directly to me and address that with me.

But you didn't do that, you chose the indirect path. So now that we've established you are a rat, are you yellow too? Looking forward to your direct non-passive aggressive reply.

 

[DoctorTaco]

The double standard is where you show no regard for other families

I care about my family more than other families. I take responsibility for the care and safety of my family before I do the same for others.

Your prescription may not work for a single mom with 4 young kids

There is no barrier to entry on this. If that single mom of four can provide Internet access for those kids then she can easily and quickly provide free parental controls over that access. She can also discuss with her kids the dangers of porn consumption at their developmental stages.

Without misrepresenting your position, your line of logic landed at, every parent has their own problems, none of your business how i raise my kids, you do you and I'll do me.

Yes, within reason. For my personal standard, it would be unreasonable in this particular instance for the government to step in and do more than they are doing already.

I do like the part you wrote about providing governmental assistance to a single mothers though. 10/10 idea that I believe could have long lasting and positive societal ramifications

 

[scoopj]

I'm on the side that says we, as responsible adults, are tasked to do anything and everything possible to safeguard against the current easy access to porn for minors/children.

I would go so far as to say an all out ban on porn for kids, similar to what we have in place for alcohol and cigarettes is overdue.

Obviously there are drawbacks with the enactment and enforcement of this ban. As mentioned earlier in the thread, kids of this generation have grown up with the internet/smart phones and will inevitably find work arounds. I would be satisfied with having enough deterrents in place to make minors go through as many obstacles and barriers they have when they seek to obtain alcohol and cigs. Currently, they are only a few clicks away, which is certainly much easier than accessing alc or cigs. Hence the question I have been asking ad nauseum in this thread, of which only one taco-loving poster had the courage to answer (finally got an answer after repeating the question several times over several hours) Do you not think children only being a few clicks away from thousands of porn videos and pics is a problem for a society.

Going further, and this is where most of the lefties are breaking away from my position, is I feel we've reached the point of no return and porn on internet saturation has gone way overboard, to the point that any actions or laws to stop easy access for children may end up being ineffective. Similar to the War on Drugs for example. A futile and costly endeavor for the USA.

This... is where I start to get told to fk off, go to hell, pos, bastard, mofo, etc. etc.. I believe a total porn ban across the board is not a bridge too far, IF it means we have a better safeguard for our kids... even if it is proven to be only a slightly more effective deterrent. My justification for a total ban, (while NOT being my 1st, 2nd, or 3rd preference) would be, there are quantifiable negatives in our society for adults that consume porn (porn addiction is on the rise across the board, for example) so while it is not my first, second, or third preference... it is not a choice I am against. When push comes to shove, I would go as far as a total ban IF it could be proven that it provides our society the optimum deterrence to allowing kids easy access.

I steelmanned my postion for some posters and I met them at the slippery slope of potential fascism that a total ban could be a catalyst for...

I understand that pov but I believe, inaction, in order to preserve an adults right to smut and filth, is lazy and offers a net negative. This is a non starter for me. Inaction means nothing changes and this is what I am totally at odds with. I have not confirmed this with any poster (difficult to get anything when I can't get a simple Yes or No answer) but I have a hunch some who are against a total ban, really don't think porn is an issue or even that bad. I would venture to say some actually believe a child having total freedom which stems from a laissez faire approach to parenting is harmless and possibly some even would even encourage kids to express themselves sexually via porn as it is a simply a harmless vice that any child with responsible parental guidance can handle.

This is just a hypothetical, call it a hunch and I may very well be wrong, (there's no litmus test anyway to see if a poster is actually honest about that to begin with). Either way I believe inaction for whatever reason is the worst possible course we can take, much worse than the slippery slope a total ban could cause.

Not sure of anyones position at this point, the poster I believe you mentioned was against bans? but was also one of the ones that repeatedly refused my simple yes or no question.

That all seems reasonable to me. It's been far too easy to access for far too long, which baffles me. Don't these legislators have their own children and loved ones they want to protect? I remember about 15 years ago catching my very young nephew looking at hardcore porn, and after asking him to send me the link, I told him that it was not ok, gave him a hug, etc. Soon after, I remember writing my congressmen describing my personal experience with my nephew and how Congress needed to do something to prevent young kids (he was probably 10 years old) from being able to access it so easily. The canned response I got likely from some porn-addicted intern was so deflating. Just completely blew me off.

 

[Lycandroid]

Strikes me as a kind of guy who would wear a comma “we the people” shirt

You strike me as the kind of guy that has taken too many shots to the head and can't tell the difference between a girls vagina and boys vagina.

Not my problem you guys have such short attention spans. You could perhaps, move tf on with your life instead of your passive aggressive replies, if there's a problem. But you and I both know you're too much of a rat to mind your own shit and move along.

They don't have time to read a lengthy post, but they have plenty of time to be on the forum all day long. It's not a time issue its an intelligence issue.

The irony of saying this on an MMA website is staggering.

Nobody is denying the harms associated with MMA and nobody is saying MMA is a good career choice, most fighters would tell you to go get a degree. I do think both are highly exploitative of the participants.

And yes MMA doesn't even come close to having the society harms that porn does, in fact unlike porn it at least has some positive impact on society.... encouraging self defense, hard work and discipline. You could argue that some aspects of society are less violent they used to be, because of the proliferation of it people have more often used BJJ to diffuse violent situations, some don't even happen because you don't know how has been in the gym and can choke you out.

 

[SKYNET]

That all seems reasonable to me. It's been far too easy to access for far too long, which baffles me. Don't these legislators have their own children and loved ones they want to protect? I remember about 15 years ago catching my very young nephew looking at hardcore porn, and after asking him to send me the link, I told him that it was not ok, gave him a hug, etc. Soon after, I remember writing my congressmen describing my personal experience with my nephew and how Congress needed to do something to prevent young kids (he was probably 10 years old) from being able to access it so easily. The canned response I got likely from some porn-addicted intern was so deflating. Just completely blew me off.

The landscape today, fueled by the exponential growth of technology, has changed so much over the last 15 years and has turned completely opposite of where we were in the early 90s when the closest a young child could get to porn was an adults hidden playboy/vhs tapes smut collection, or sneaking in the back behind a beaded doorway in a video rental place.

I feel as if this current generation is so far behind and the path is essentially a runaway train for them. Just policing our kids every chance we get is not enough, unfortunately. Just a few hours with friends could potentially open doors to a young child developing an obsession. Getting their hands on a smart phone or a pc with internet access like a drug addict dealing with a pusher. We have data that shows porn addictions are real and its a given that minors/children can only be chaperoned for so many hours a day. The minute they are dropped off at school, after school, play dates, even after being tucked in for bed at night, they are a smart phone and a few clicks away from total access anything their minds can fathom, no age verification, no subscriptions, no account verifications.

We've already reached the bottom of one slippery slope, what we do now is of the utmost importance.
IF nothing is done, we may never get back to this point, just like we may never get back to the point we reached in the 90s.

 

[SKYNET]

They don't have time to read a lengthy post, but they have plenty of time to be on the forum all day long. It's not a time issue its an intelligence issue.

I find it's one part intelligence, one part integrity, perhaps a lack of courage. one or all of those.

@DoctorTaco is the rare exception to the rule, we would be a lot better off with more like him.

 

[Crazy Source]

Directly aggressive would be replying to my post directly not indirectly

ie if you had a problem with my long posts you would tag which post you are refering to and reply directly to me and address that with me.

But you didn't do that, you chose the indirect path. So now that we've established you are a rat, are you yellow too? Looking forward to your direct non-passive aggressive reply.

I don't like you. I think you argue in bad faith.

 

[SKYNET]

I don't like you. I think you argue in bad faith.

 

[DoctorTaco]

I find it's one part intelligence, one part integrity, perhaps a lack of courage. one or all of those.

@DoctorTaco is the rare exception to the rule, we would be a lot better off with more like him.

Thanks bud. I really do enjoy bandying ideas around with folks who see things different than me

 

[SKYNET]

Thanks bud. I really do enjoy bandying ideas around with folks who see things different than me

I'm no peach, I'll be the first to admit that, but we need to mix it up and work towards finding common ground. I may not agree with you and maybe we push each other around but it's always a positive outcome.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Nobody is denying the harms associated with MMA and nobody is saying MMA is a good career choice, most fighters would tell you to go get a degree. I do think both are highly exploitative of the participants.

And yes MMA doesn't even come close to having the society harms that porn does, in fact unlike porn it at least has some positive impact on society.... encouraging self defense, hard work and discipline. You could argue that some aspects of society are less violent they used to be, because of the proliferation of it people have more often used BJJ to diffuse violent situations, some don't even happen because you don't know how has been in the gym and can choke you out

You said harm, not societal harm. If you want to discuss jobs that take advantage of the proletariat I’m happy to participate but I’m going to be starting from a place of pointing out all of the billionaires who’ve made their fortunes off of minimum wage workers. Feels more prolific than the porn or mma industries.

If we want to discuss art that causes societal harm then I’d say disinformation via writing or video media has caused far more societal harm than porn.

You strike me as the kind of guy that has taken too many shots to the head and can't tell the difference between a girls vagina and boys vagina.

My head movement was always pretty good.

 

[DoctorTaco]

I'm no peach, I'll be the first to admit that, but we need to mix it up and work towards finding common ground. I may not agree with you and maybe we push each other around but it's always a positive outcome.

It’s all in good fun. Wish more posters were capable of it

 

[TrueBias]

I made a thread on this months ago and wasnt afraid to spell the word Porn.

Porn has its functions. Yes, it can desensitize the idea of men and women, but I've had shitloads of girlfriends and 100% of them were a pain. I jerk off and save their life.

This is the digital age, you're not gonna stop information, so parents actually have to be parents.

Who knew? Kids were a lot of work.

 

[Jesus X]

The BBC talking about pornhub is unintentional comedy.

 

[Jesus X]

As a person who has seen pornography since the 90s I can tell you that if they get rid of pornhub all that happens is that the jack shack theaters return as a black or grey market. Or a black market for porn returns you can not control vices that always ends catastrophic this has been proven for thousands of years.

 

[joy2day]

if they get rid of pornhub all that happens is that the jack shack theaters return as a black or grey market.

Or maybe people will just go to one of about a million other sites for porn on the internet that are underground or in foreign countries that the US law can't reach?

 

[Crazy Source]

It’s all in good fun. Wish more posters were capable of it

With all due respect to you, people that encourage the trampling of Constitutional rights is not "fun". I am very capable of meeting in the middle and finding common ground. @Cajun and I do not align exactly, but he believes in the tenets of what America is and that it is an amazing place to live. Tearing down one aspect of our freedom weakens the foundation, and makes us weaker as a nation.

 

[Jesus X]

Or maybe people will just go to one of about a million other sites for porn on the internet that are underground or in foreign countries that the US law can't reach?

The truf or torrents return for pornos.

 

[DoctorTaco]

With all due respect to you, people that encourage the trampling of Constitutional rights is not "fun". I am very capable of meeting in the middle and finding common ground. @Cajun and I do not align exactly, but he believes in the tenets of what America is and that it is an amazing place to live. Tearing down one aspect of our freedom weakens the foundation, and makes us weaker as a nation.

I’m such an apathetic and nihilistic bastard I don’t put any weight in anything people say on here. I should care more but I’m tired boss

 

[Crazy Source]

I’m such an apathetic and nihilistic bastard I don’t put any weight in anything people say on here. I should care more but I’m tired boss

Keep swinging and keep showing others the way.