Ongoing Team Lloyd Irvin Scandal - Part 6

Huh? You are filibustering instead of answering the question. How many Lloyd Irvin seminars have YOU attended?

Lloyd,

You are never gonna see any dollars from me.

Why?

Because I am NOT in martial arts for making a dollar.

I have a real job.

But yeah, if you a martial arts school owner teaching kids martial arts and are too lazy to get a real job.

Too lazy to figure how to run a succesfull business.

I suggest you give that guy some money so he can make you a millionaire like himself or his affilates.

http://schoolownertrainingcamp.com/wp/
 
Lloyd,

You are never gonna see any dollars from me.

Why?

Because I am NOT in martial arts for making a dollar.

I have a real job.

But yeah, if you a martial arts school owner teaching kids martial arts and are too lazy to get a real job.

Too lazy to figure how to run a succesfull business.

I suggest you give that guy some money so he can make you a millionaire like himself or his affilates.

http://schoolownertrainingcamp.com/wp/

Once again, filibustering. So your OPINION is that Lloyd's seminars are all BS and a ripoff. The FACT is that your opinion is not at all backed up by direct knowledge or credible information. The fact of the matter is that you know absolutely nothing about the content or even the subjects covered in his seminars. You criticism is based on emotions and the opinions of other emotional posters that you haven't even met in person yet. Think about that for a minute....
 
So you know for a fact that Lloyd seminars are in fact legit? You're being pretty oblique here
 
Once again, filibustering. So your OPINION is that Lloyd's seminars are all BS and a ripoff. The FACT is that your opinion is not at all backed up by direct knowledge or credible information. The fact of the matter is that you know absolutely nothing about the content or even the subjects covered in his seminars. You criticism is based on emotions and the opinions of other emotional posters that you haven't even met in person yet. Think about that for a minute....

Nah, what you need to think for a minute is that your seminar is starting in 4 days and you are scrambling for customers.

Like I said, if you want to learn how to become a millionaire from Lloys Irwin. go pay him $300 for 4 days.

He will teach you his business blue print on how he became a millionaire.

http://schoolownertrainingcamp.com/wp/


Because we all know that he is a millionaire.
 
So you know for a fact that Lloyd seminars are in fact legit? You're being pretty oblique here

There are alot of people using the same marketing techniques that he used and often talked about.
Keenan Cornelius,Raphael Lovato,Travis Stevens,Dan ***gella,Matt Arroyo,that 40 Plus BJJ guy, Dean Lister, and now Henry Atkins are all using the same blueprint Lloyd used for marketing. If it was a total waste, none of these guys would be using that model to sell their products.I'm also seeing school owners using the same website templet that he uses on his site.Look how many school are giving the "Try us 30 days free" deal. Prior to Lloyd every school had one class free. The only people I see consistently complaining about the quality of his seminars are people that haven't even attended them.There were quite a few really big names that were attending his seminars and I haven't seen any of those guys publicly complaining about Lloyd's seminars.The same guys complaining about Lloyd's seminars are the same guys saying the NYE case was a "slam dunk" because of the huge amount of evidence(that they hadn't actually seen/heard).They were also the same guys rejoicing about how decimated Lloyd's school was and now we see they got 3rd at Pans. These guys have been wrong time after time but keep spouting their opinions as facts and deriding others.
 
I am looking foward to see the pictures of the seminar.

They should up on your FB by the 28 March.

Good on you for dropping some big names that are using your methods that you TAUGHT THEM and your 3rd medal.

last scramble to sign up some more people?
 
The success of Lloyd Irvin seminar can be measured by their results. 1.5 million in unresolved tax liens. Only real ballers who are willing to push all their chips in need apply.
 
Also as has been said Lloyd using regular marketing tactics and massively marks them up.
 
A local gym in my area uses the Lloyd Irvin blue print. They have a reputation as slick, disingenuous, and slimey. Its unfortunate for a school with such a strong program and competition team to buy into the high pressure, high priced marketing propaganda machine.
 
A local gym in my area uses the Lloyd Irvin blue print. They have a reputation as slick, disingenuous, and slimey. Its unfortunate for a school with such a strong program and competition team to buy into the high pressure, high priced marketing propaganda machine.
They are super annoying to drop in to as well. You'll get called several times a day for a month. Just makes it a bad experience.
I don't think it is all that helpful. As you need more ads to make up for your student attrition
 
Instead of answering the question of who you are (actual name) and vague "Gracie fighter" is where you train, why not?

I'm out here in public answering questions under my name and where I train...I was at Pan Am's as a competitor, were you?

If this is "Just entertainment" as you say in PM's, come out from behind the anonymity and I'll be happy to post the 4 black belts I personally know who went to LI Seminars.

He trains at Gracie Fighter? Ohh its Town Biz for sure..Isn't creating an account after being banned also a bannable offense?
 
They are super annoying to drop in to as well. You'll get called several times a day for a month. Just makes it a bad experience.
I don't think it is all that helpful. As you need more ads to make up for your student attrition

As well as expensive. Last I heard the drop in rate was 20 bucks for an hour long class.
 
As well as expensive. Last I heard the drop in rate was 20 bucks for an hour long class.

I live in an area with lots of Lloyd influenced schools. Yeah $20 is cheap for a drop in.
Also $200 for unlimited is normal. If not kinda cheap.
That and pressure sales is all Lloyd offers for thousands
 
I live in an area with lots of Lloyd influenced schools. Yeah $20 is cheap for a drop in.
Also $200 for unlimited is normal. If not kinda cheap.
That and pressure sales is all Lloyd offers for thousands

Their academy is pretty pricey based on what I read here, see in the city, etc. the kids program is their biggest racket by far though.
 

Sorry in advance for the long post. It took me a while to read through the ad and think everything through. I'm skeptical of it, and at first I thought it was because the ad has a lot of red flags: warning signs that might be a sign of misleading advertisement, but they are not proof of it.

Red Flag #1: The words "millionaire", "die", and "war", are hyperbolic and intended to produce an emotional response.

Red Flag #2: There's a value-building presentation prior to the mention of the price.

Red Flag #3: A limited-time offer for a discount or a special deal will always increase the perception of time pressure.

None of these things mean the product is automatically bad or that it's a rip-off.

In order for something to actually be a rip-off, the person selling it has to either fail to deliver on a promise as advertised, or not deliver fair value for the dollar. So I read the ad through twice more and focused on exactly what was being promised.

The ad is promising marketing techniques and tools. It explicitly says that significant effort will be required from the school owner. That's either a fair warning, or an excuse in advance to shift the blame to the person receiving the advice if for some reason they aren't able to make it work.

I saw a "double your income" claim, but then I did some math and realized that two times zero is still zero. That promise doesn't sound difficult to keep for a school that's either brand new or in serious trouble.

Now, if for some reason the advertised tools and strategies are not delivered, or if they're unusable due to format, legality, ethics, etc., that could be considered a ripoff. Otherwise, it all boils down to whether the customer gets fair value for the dollar.

Fair value (or full value) for the dollar occurs when the actual benefit of what's being bought equals or exceeds the actual cost to the buyer.

Luckily, it's easy to calculate the benefit of a marketing program. You take the total fees from the new students attracted by the marketing campaign, within perhaps a year. Do not count existing students or students who join for reasons unrelated to the marketing. Then you subtract any extra cost (if any) associated with serving these extra customers. Do not count changes in income due to regular attrition, but do subtract any students lost due to marketing (which, if done ethically, should be zero).

The actual cost of implementing what you learn in an event like this is the cost of attending the event (including travel) plus whatever it costs in airtime or postage or labor to implement the strategies taught at the event.

If cost > benefit, people feel ripped off.
If cost = benefit, people feel like they have fair value.
If cost < benefit, people believe they got a good deal.

Anything not related to these equations, such as up-selling, long speeches, or people choosing to not try the techniques they're being taught, might be annoying but it's not actually a ripoff.

So in order to not be a ripoff, an event like this must:

* Deliver the tools and instructions promised, and
* Ensure the attendee has the wherewithal to use the tools and instructions legally and ethically, and
* Cause the attendee to bring in enough new business to exceed the total cost of attending the event, implementing the strategies in a legal and ethical way, and paying whatever variable costs are associated with serving the new customers.

That's a tall order, and it's the biggest reason why I'm skeptical.
 
Having this info out there is actually a big deal. Being cowed or bribed into cooperating with hiding it is morally reprehensible. Salute to you guys lethal and zankao for not standing by and doing nothing.

Allowing these guys to keep walking around without doing everything in your power to make sure people know to stay far far away would be a crime, in my opinion.
 
Lloyd would be in jail if he wasn't delivering goods as promised.

If he delivered the goods on the girl in the girl he tried to rape then he would. Too bad about his stage fright eh?
 
Word is Lloyd and Matt Maldonado were seen yucking it up at the NY Open.
 
If he delivered the goods on the girl in the girl he tried to rape then he would. Too bad about his stage fright eh?

Actually, other perpetrators who were convicted at the trial said Lloyd did in fact have sex with the woman. It's likely his limp dick excuse is just that, an excuse.
 
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