Ongoing Team Lloyd Irvin Scandal - Part 6

[Balto]

How many adult male black belt medals did that first place team get? 6.
2nd place team? 5.
3rd place? Oh right, none.
How many did my affiliation's team (RJJ) get? 1.

Do you have any other rationalizations for being proud of affiliating with a rapist? Maybe something to do with that rapist being generous with turkeys?

Pretty sure that's just Townbiz's latest name after being banned seven times or so. He is not actually affiliated with Lloyd.

He might be on Lloyd's dick, but he's not on Lloyd's team.

 

[thugpoet]

Pretty much. Trump just started with more money than Lloyd. So he could scam at higher levels. If Trump just invested his money in decent Blue chips, that he got from his Dad, he would be a Billion heir by now. Not some mega scammer.
Some people just aren't content, if they aren't the center of attention.

Why does running a seminar turn into scams??

Every great business has many levels of products. McDonalds has the dollar menu and regular meals.

If people are willing to pay for what you know why shouldn't you charge??

Lazy people always find away to trash people with ambitions.

 

[ElKarlo]

You mean thinking $70k for advice isn't ethical? Yep it's account of me being lazy, and not from moral objections.
I am big into stocks, and I feel it is wrong for a company to lay people off and raise the dividend.
But hey. That's just me being lazy

 

[thugpoet]

You mean thinking $70k for advice isn't ethical? Yep it's account of me being lazy, and not from moral objections.
I am big into stocks, and I feel it is wrong for a company to lay people off and raise the dividend.
But hey. That's just me being lazy

Dont like it dont pay... Has nothing to do with morality. If you value something then you pay for it... If you don't then don't.

And people get laid off for alot of reasons, but generally investors like dividends, if you say " won't close down this factory" even if its a cash sucking waste. Then profits go down and the dividend can't keep up with inflation then investors start leaving for better investments. Now with investors gone its harder to finance maintenance, and growth projects in 3 years the company goes under.

So now instead of 5000, workers without jobs its 25000 without jobs. Of course this isn't always the case but you see my point ?

 

[lechien]

Why does running a seminar turn into scams??

Every great business has many levels of products. McDonalds has the dollar menu and regular meals.

If people are willing to pay for what you know why shouldn't you charge??

Lazy people always find away to trash people with ambitions.

Did you actually read the article?
Because if you did, you would not ask such question.
Li took the same concept and made his seminar called mma millionaire or something like that.

 

[oyaji poi]

Why does running a seminar turn into scams??

Every great business has many levels of products. McDonalds has the dollar menu and regular meals.

If people are willing to pay for what you know why shouldn't you charge??

Lazy people always find away to trash people with ambitions.

Running a seminar turns into scams because the people running it deceive the attendees. They make exaggerated promises for the "up-sell" - getting people to buy into a multi-level "society" or "group" or the like with promises of "secrets" being "revealed" that only a select group (with valid credit cards or cash) can access.

This model should be familiar by now, sometimes people do go to jail for it:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/9841158/Infomercial-guru-jailed-for-fraud


If your ambition is to take as much money from people by saying anything at all regardless of the truth then your critics are not lazy, they're moral.

 

[thugpoet]

Did you actually read the article?
Because if you did, you would not ask such question.
Li took the same concept and made his seminar called mma millionaire or something like that.

I know, this.

My point is that just because LI is shady doesn't mean the business model is a scam. LI is a scam NOT marketers as a whole.

Also if the guys who went to LI 's workshop made more money then they where before then is that a scam??

 

[thugpoet]

Running a seminar turns into scams because the people running it deceive the attendees. They make exaggerated promises for the "up-sell" - getting people to buy into a multi-level "society" or "group" or the like with promises of "secrets" being "revealed" that only a select group (with valid credit cards or cash) can access.

This model should be familiar by now, sometimes people do go to jail for it:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/world/9841158/Infomercial-guru-jailed-for-fraud


If your ambition is to take as much money from people by saying anything at all regardless of the truth then your critics are not lazy, they're moral.

Running a bad business is a scam not the business model itself. You can get scamed at a car dealership, that doesn't make all dealerships scams does it?

 

[lechien]

I know, this.

My point is that just because LI is shady doesn't mean the business model is a scam. LI is a scam NOT marketers as a whole.

Also if the guys who went to LI 's workshop made more money then they where before then is that a scam??

the business model as that particular seminar model is a scam.

 

[thugpoet]

the business model as that particular seminar model is a scam.

I can agree with that.

 

[robotsonic]

interview with mike easton

Easton is cagey

 

[Monoman]

... Also if the guys who went to LI 's workshop made more money then they where before then is that a scam??

Absolutely. If Lloyd Irvin didn't deliver goods and/or services as promised then it is a scam.

 

[lechien]

I know, this.

My point is that just because LI is shady doesn't mean the business model is a scam. LI is a scam NOT marketers as a whole.

Also if the guys who went to LI 's workshop made more money then they where before then is that a scam??

Ok, I really did not want to reharsh or having to explain the scam behind the mma millionaire but it seems that you do not understand what he did and what he is doing.

The MMA millionaire seminar overpromise and is just used as a platform to upsell membership to another groupp.

The argument is that they provide enough information during the period of the seminar to "warranty" for the attendance fees.

But we all know that it is just a platform to upsell.

 

[JustTheTip]

Ok, I really did not want to reharsh or having to explain the scam behind the mma millionaire but it seems that you do not understand what he did and what he is doing.

The MMA millionaire seminar overpromise and is just used as a platform to upsell membership to another groupp.

The argument is that they provide enough information during the period of the seminar to "warranty" for the attendance fees.

But we all know that it is just a platform to upsell.

Did you attend the MMA millionaire seminar? Did you purchase the "upsell" membership? I'm guessing that you haven't attended any of Lloyd's seminars and just presenting your unqualified opinion as fact.

 

[NateTx4112]

Did you attend the MMA millionaire seminar? Did you purchase the "upsell" membership? I'm guessing that you haven't attended any of Lloyd's seminars and just presenting your unqualified opinion as fact.

I personally know 4 blackbelts and school owners that did attend events in the past at differing levels of the program. Lechien and Balto understand it just fine.

Oh and my academy did fairly well at the Pans if you look at my recent posts and we didnt rape anyone.

 

[lechien]

Did you attend the MMA millionaire seminar? Did you purchase the "upsell" membership? I'm guessing that you haven't attended any of Lloyd's seminars and just presenting your unqualified opinion as fact.

This topic has been already discussed in past threads: not sure which thread could be part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or even 6.

Like I said, the information/program supplied at the seminar could be used by a school owner to implement in his business.

So in a way, attending the seminar could have been worth the money.

The upsell membership is what people frowned upon.

But like discussed in previous pages, upselling is a common trait in the seminar business regardless they sell dreams of making millions of teaching martials or selling timeshares or whatever they want to sell.

The bottom line is that LI is not a millionaire and none of his affiliates that are helping him building credibility into his program are millionaire as well.

 

[lechien]

Did you attend the MMA millionaire seminar? Did you purchase the "upsell" membership? I'm guessing that you haven't attended any of Lloyd's seminars and just presenting your unqualified opinion as fact.

"Q: Lloyd, just how much is it going to cost me to attend and participate in this life-altering, profit-generating, school-transforming First EVER Martial Arts Millionaire REVOLUTION Training Camp & Massive Implementation Intensive of yours?

 

[thugpoet]

Ok, I really did not want to reharsh or having to explain the scam behind the mma millionaire but it seems that you do not understand what he did and what he is doing.

The MMA millionaire seminar overpromise and is just used as a platform to upsell membership to another groupp.

The argument is that they provide enough information during the period of the seminar to "warranty" for the attendance fees.

But we all know that it is just a platform to upsell.

I know what the problem is and I know ur argument. My problem is that their are people who have used said scam methods and made some money.

Again it comes down to value if you value knowledge then to you it isn't a scam...

Scam is relative.

 

[lechien]

I know what the problem is and I know ur argument. My problem is that their are people who have used said scam methods and made some money.

Again it comes down to value if you value knowledge then to you it isn't a scam...

Scam is relative.

It is only $297 for 4 days.

So you are looking at 75 per day.

Not bad at all if you are a gym owner and you want to be train in the art of LI business.

But let's not play dumb, LI is not gonna just make money of that 4 days seminars.

The real money is enticing participants to sign up for more: gold, platinum membership...whatever he calls it nowdays!

Saying that it is just a front up to keep you in a room to get you to sign up for a platinum membership of (let say 25 K or even 5K) is a bit RUDE but it is what it is.

Positive people would say that you should just spend and learn what you can afford.

Pessimist would say that it is just a trap.

 

[thugpoet]

It is only $297 for 4 days.

So you are looking at 75 per day.

Not bad at all if you are a gym owner and you want to be train in the art of LI business.

But let's not play dumb, LI is not gonna just make money of that 4 days seminars.

The real money is enticing participants to sign up for more: gold, platinum membership...whatever he calls it nowdays!

Saying that it is just a front up to keep you in a room to get you to sign up for a platinum membership of (let say 25 K or even 5K) is a bit RUDE but it is what it is.

Positive people would say that you should just spend and learn what you can afford.

Pessimist would say that it is just a trap.

80/20 rule - if there are 8 people willing to speed 100, 2 will spend 2000. Again if those 2 will spend 2000 to learn how to turn a profit then go for it.