Ongoing Team Lloyd Irvin Scandal - Part 6

[thugpoet]

Absolutely. If Lloyd Irvin didn't deliver goods and/or services as promised then it is a scam.

Lloyd would be in jail if he wasn't delivering goods as promised.

 

[lechien]

80/20 rule - if there are 8 people willing to speed 100, 2 will spend 2000. Again if those 2 will spend 2000 to learn how to turn a profit then go for it.

alright, good one.

so it is about circle out the 3% guys that would do anything. right?

 

[thugpoet]

alright, good one.

so it is about circle out the 3% guys that would do anything. right?

Well of course, you have to hold back knowledge or else why would they pay for more?

Again knowledge is power and "if" LI is giving solid advice then " stop hating" now if he is giving jackass advice then press charges on his business.

Again product funnels are not scams.

Product>seminar> inner circle teaching> if the teacher is a scam artist then people will speak up.

The teacher doesn't = the system

 

[lechien]

Well of course, you have to hold back knowledge or else why would they pay for more?

Again knowledge is power and "if" LI is giving solid advice then " stop hating" now if he is giving jackass advice then press charges on his business.

Again product funnels are not scams.

Product>seminar> inner circle teaching> if the teacher is a scam artist then people will speak up.

The teacher doesn't = the system

well, there have been inner circle that rebels and spoke against him,

but not I am interested to re hash old stories.

interest stats from that terrible website promoting his seminars: 10 times he used the word hater, 14 times he used the word life, 18 times he used the word million/millionainre, 14 times he used the word soldier.

He also claimed to charge 2k per hour but because he is not all about the money, he will only charge you an average of $10 per hour to be in the same room with him and his soldiers for 4 days. what a deal!

 

[thugpoet]

well, there have been inner circle that rebels and spoke against him,

but not I am interested to re hash old stories.

interest stats from that terrible website promoting his seminars: 10 times he used the word hater, 14 times he used the word life, 18 times he used the word million/millionainre, 14 times he used the word soldier.

He also claimed to charge 2k per hour but because he is not all about the money, he will only charge you an average of $10 per hour to be in the same room with him and his soldiers for 4 days. what a deal!

That's salesmanship. Copywriting at its best. ( or ok copywriting) ether way.

 

[AcesUp22]

'Everyone should look into their own past', fucking hell, I'm not surprised with Easton being dumb enough to use that reasoning considering the retarded men-children Lloyd seems to breed over there.

Yes, Mike. I can completely see how a system where you're not allowed to be horrified by rape unless you have never committed a sin in your life would work. Yeah, I hit my dog 5 years ago so that means I am never allowed to criticize rapists and conmen. Moron.

Just spent a solid 10 minutes looking at my past. Yup, no rape in there.

 

[nhbfan8080]

There was a thread on the sherdog grappling forum where a well-known bjj grappler was thanking LI for his advice (probably paid$$ for it) on making money outside teaching, the mlm stuff, in a youtube video. It was up in the stickies I think, probably months or a year before the rape scandal broke. Anyone still remember that link/video?

 

[JustTheTip]

This topic has been already discussed in past threads: not sure which thread could be part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or even 6.

Like I said, the information/program supplied at the seminar could be used by a school owner to implement in his business.

So in a way, attending the seminar could have been worth the money.

The upsell membership is what people frowned upon.

But like discussed in previous pages, upselling is a common trait in the seminar business regardless they sell dreams of making millions of teaching martials or selling timeshares or whatever they want to sell.

The bottom line is that LI is not a millionaire and none of his affiliates that are helping him building credibility into his program are millionaire as well.

So...you HAVEN'T been to any of his seminars and actually have no idea what the content is. Basically, you are just taking the word of anonymous posters you don't even know who haven't even been to a seminar themselves. But post as if your opinion is fact.

 

[JustTheTip]

I personally know 4 blackbelts and school owners that did attend events in the past at differing levels of the program. Lechien and Balto understand it just fine.

Oh and my academy did fairly well at the Pans if you look at my recent posts and we didnt rape anyone.

Who are the 4 blackbelts? Congrats to your academy. Where do you train?

 

[Dirty Holt]

Running a seminar turns into scams because the people running it deceive the attendees. They make exaggerated promises for the "up-sell" - getting people to buy into a multi-level "society" or "group" or the like with promises of "secrets" being "revealed" that only a select group (with valid credit cards or cash) can access.

This model should be familiar by now

It is familiar to Americans. We just call it "college"

 

[NateTx4112]

Who are the 4 blackbelts? Congrats to your academy. Where do you train?

How about you post up who you are with where you train and I'll be glad to name them.

I've posted several times who I am and where I train. I do not post under anonymity.

 

[thugpoet]

It is familiar to Americans. We just call it "college"

Good point

 

[TheSubmissionCh]

It is familiar to Americans. We just call it "college"

Alright, Ivan Illich ...

 

[Aesopian]

Lloyd would be in jail if he wasn't delivering goods as promised.

Lloyd would be in jail if his dick got hard so let's not give him too much credit.

 

[thugpoet]

Lloyd would be in jail if his dick got hard so let's not give him too much credit.

Lol this is true

 

[ChainFlow]

Careful that we don't fill up this thread with off topic comments. Beware SEO manipulation.

Lloyd Irvin's rape defenders are everywhere, and getting away with rape is not funny.

 

[thugpoet]

Careful that we don't fill up this thread with off topic comments. Beware SEO manipulation.

Lloyd Irvin's rape defenders are everywhere, and getting away with rape is not funny.

Laugher is the best medicine, and if he didn't get hard he didn't take her hence he didn't get with with anything...

Back to the regularly scheduled programing

 

[lechien]

So...you HAVEN'T been to any of his seminars and actually have no idea what the content is. Basically, you are just taking the word of anonymous posters you don't even know who haven't even been to a seminar themselves. But post as if your opinion is fact.

Come back next week and tell us how susscesful was your seminar.
Like I said, you are going to show your blue print on how you became a millionaire by running your so called successfully gym. You are gonna parade your affiliates and they gonna tell everyone that they became millionaire by following your blue print.
Then for 4 days, you are going to teach them basic stuff: how to use radio for advertising, seo, copywriting, cold sales, spinning wheel for referral, upgrading student to more expensive program's.etc....

But the real target is to sell them the gold or platinum blue print worth another 25k or 5 k.

And the reality is you and your affiliates are not millionaires.

You will not waste 4 days of your life doing this seminar if your gym made a million dollars.

Some guys want to give you $300 for a weekend seminar because you promised him you will make him a millionaire.

So be it.

I am sure you will the 3% willing to spend more the upgrade program.

How much do you sell for nowadays?
25k?

 

[JustTheTip]

Come back next week and tell us how susscesful was your seminar.
Like I said, you are going to show your blue print on how you became a millionaire by running your so called successfully gym. You are gonna parade your affiliates and they gonna tell everyone that they became millionaire by following your blue print.
Then for 4 days, you are going to teach them basic stuff: how to use radio for advertising, seo, copywriting, cold sales, spinning wheel for referral, upgrading student to more expensive program's.etc....

But the real target is to sell them the gold or platinum blue print worth another 25k or 5 k.

And the reality is you and your affiliates are not millionaires.

You will not waste 4 days of your life doing this seminar if your gym made a million dollars.

Some guys want to give you $300 for a weekend seminar because you promised him you will make him a millionaire.

So be it.

I am sure you will the 3% willing to spend more the upgrade program.

How much do you sell for nowadays?
25k?

Huh? You are filibustering instead of answering the question. How many Lloyd Irvin seminars have YOU attended?

 

[NateTx4112]

Huh? You are filibustering instead of answering the question. How many Lloyd Irvin seminars have YOU attended?

Instead of answering the question of who you are (actual name) and vague "Gracie fighter" is where you train, why not?

I'm out here in public answering questions under my name and where I train...I was at Pan Am's as a competitor, were you?

If this is "Just entertainment" as you say in PM's, come out from behind the anonymity and I'll be happy to post the 4 black belts I personally know who went to LI Seminars.