One rarely mentioned common point between Islam and Khabib.

[JustOnce]

I love how you admit you have no idea what you're talking about and then continued arguing anyway.

One, Khabib's Top 10 Wins stat is absolutely true, and in LW almost ummatched.

Two, callimg Dustin a "former FW" to discredit Khabib is as stupid as mocking Chris Wiedman for beating "former welterweight" Anderson Silva (who fought at WW longer and for more fights than Dustin fought at FW). Dustin would die trying to make FW nowadays and is one of the biggest LWs there is by mass. He outweighed Khabib in cage weight.

Third, the top 10 LWs are well rounded, that's why wrestlers like Gillespie and Lee and Oliveira himself got the shit beat out of them at times on their way to the belt, while Khabib rose to the very top. They're not one dimensional. Your logic is circular.

Fourth, the idea that the deepest division in the UFC is worse than it was in the BJ Penn days is the silliest thing I've read in awhile.

"In LW almost unmatched"

Thin resume to goat claim maybe.

Kinda delusional to compare Anderson Silva MW Goat to Dustin Poirier and try to claim it's the same thing, don't you think?

"He outweighed Khabib in cage weight."

....

And yes, Khabib and Islam sure fought a lot of well rounded grapplers.

And yes, LW is deep right now. Khabib did retire not having faced more half of the top 10, and best win on Islam's resume before a title shot? Dan Hooker.

But anyways, Khabib is likely the LW Goat in spite of his thin resume, and Islam is likely the best LW right now, so I'm not taking shots at them or anything so relax, man, they are great, great fighters. Not trying to take anything away from them, just found it a bit odd, that's all.

Cheers!

 

[Goosemen]

OP is having a meltdown.

Calm down man.

 

[SteelEz]

OP is having a meltdown.

Calm down man.

Either that or he's just a child. I mean look at his post above yours. Tells you everything.

 

[Dirty Frank]

I can think of another common point...

 

[Dirty Frank]

Wonder what Weasle has to say about that, TS

 

[Dirty Frank]

I can't think of a worse way to spend your time than either reading this post or actually writing it.
Sad as fuck. Sad for TS, sad for all of us who got sucked into this putrid sinkhole

 

[Dirty Frank]

"He outweighed Khabib in cage weight."

....

You're so fucking disingenuous I can't believe you actually try to overblow Khabib's cage weight by posting a recent pic of him already RETIRED and obviously not in fighting shape.

 

[Blond]

Nice strawman - half of the guys on the list weren't big strikers, the other half had Bobby Green tier wrestling. Missing out on a Clay Guida fight has definitely made Khabib's resume paper thin

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

RDA wasn't an elite fighter with good/great wrestling and good/decent/great striking. RDA was losing to Tibaus and Guidas early in his career. He did look a lot better at WW fighting Colbys and such.

Conor and Poirier are two featherweight strikers, Conor especially was coming off a lay off longer than a year.

I've seen a lot of WMMA fighters look much beetter off their back than Justin does. Pretty sad.

If RDA isn’t good enough to meet your criteria I’m not sure what you’re looking for. Who are they supposed to beat besides guys on massive win streaks that climbed the division and dominated an era?

Calling Dustin a FW when he fought khabib is a joke. The dude walks in on fight night at 180-190 consistently. He’s the size of most welterweights. You know Dustin’s my boy but he’s a massive weight cutter. Not sure what point you’re trying to make by insinuating otherwise.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

They never fought a high level fighter in UFC who can strike AND wrestle before getting a title shot.

Not a shot against either of these guys, I think Islam is the BEST lightweight right now, and Khabib is probably GOAT LW, though that guy's resume is paper thin, but kinda odd how it worked out for them, both of them.

Lightweights right now are filled with amazing grapplers, and the LW used to look like

Edgar
Maynard
BJ
Sherk
Guida
Eddie
Melendez
Bendo
Gomi
Kawajiri
Thompson
Diego
[And a little later]
Tony
Kevin Lee
Chandler

I mean guys with good wrestling and lot of them with good stand ups too. People shit on Guida all the time, but the guy has a win over RDA who's probably the only elite fighter like the guys listed above who could be argued he's one of them

Like I said, Khabib is probably LW goat having retired undefeated albeit a thin resume, and Islam is likely the best LW right now, but it's just odd when LW used to look like that, neither of them has a SINGLE WIN over fighters like that, who can wrestle and strike, or wrestle very, very well. People forget BJ outwrestled Fitch at WW before, and Sherk held his own against Hughes and so on.

Just wierd. I mean, you'd think Khabib or Islam would at least have fought someone like Guida at least, or even Diego. Diego is as washed up as he gets, but no one submits Diego who held his own in wrestling against Koscheck and Fitch, and is Khabib's striking any better than Diego's? Match up make fights after all.

I just find it odd that they have had 10+ fights in their run to a title, and it can be argued none of them fought elite guys who can wrestle and strike, or wrestle very well.

It is pretty amazing in retrospect that Khabib didn't fight ANY of those guys somehow.

No doubt a mature prime Khabib runs through them, however the young Khabib could very well have lost to several of them in their primes (particularly Maynard, Bendo, Melendez).

 

[PunchyMcSplodo]

"In LW almost unmatched"

It is almost unmatched at LW, the deepest division the UFC ever had.

That's why you keep posting GIFs instead of a long list of other fighters who have as many LW Top 10 wins.

Kinda delusional to compare Anderson Silva MW Goat to Dustin Poirier and try to claim it's the same thing, don't you think?

The comparison wasn't that Dustin is a GOAT, though Dustin became among the LW ATGs.

The comparison is that both fighters fought at lower weight classes and then filled out--and, in fact, Amderson fought as a WW more and longer than Dustin fought at FW.

But no one would call MW Anderson because that would be dumb, and only really dumb people (or trolls, and you're orobably just trolling to be honest) call the massive LW version of Dustin a FW.

"He outweighed Khabib in cage weight."

He did. He weighed 176 and Khabib weighed a few pounds less than that.

You posting a pic of retired fat Khabib two plus years after their fight means you don't underatand what "cage weight" means, or how time works.

And yes, Khabib and Islam sure fought a lot of well rounded grapplers.

Those "well rounded grapplers" failed against the supposedly "one dimensional" strikers in the top 10 of the division while Khabib waa cominf up, which is partly what makes your argument so stupid.

Kevin Lee lost to Iaquinta, Dariush against Barboza, Bendo to RDA, Oliveira countless times including to Paul Felder, Guida countless times, etx., etc., etc.

This is dumb.

And yes, LW is deep right now. Khabib did retire not having faced more half of the top 10, and best win on Islam's resume before a title shot? Dan Hooker

Again, Khabib retired with more top 10 LW wins than almost any LW ever.

You can keep ignoring reality but it doesn't go away.

 

[VinceArch]

Khabib has fought plenty of fighters with excellent grappling credentials.

 

[daltonames]

Should I also say Paul Felder beat current LW Champ Chuck Oliveira too with your logic?

Let me make it really simple for you.
You said Khabib did not beat a "high level fighter in UFC who can strike AND wrestle". RDA is and was a "high level fighter in UFC who can strike AND wrestle"
He even became LW champion shortly after fighting Khabib.

I.e. as it pertains to Khabib, your argument is bullshit.

 

[Johnny_Knuckles]

TS makes the worst threads on the dog, and here is yet another example

 

[DestinedAussie]

He didn't dodge Tony either. Tony pulled out twice, one time the day before.

I said I used dodged as avoiding the fight, not that he was scared to take it. TBH the fight was cursed but Khabib missing weight the one time it could have happened was a major disapointment.

 

[J Danger]

People said the same for oliveira less than a year ago. Then he finished chandler and Poirier.

Chuck fought handpicked opponents
McGregor avoided wrestlers minus the short notice mendes fight

it can go on and on.
Someone’s always got something to say.

a ten fight win streak warrants a title shot.
Sotiropolous and Huerta had big winning streaks in their primes and never got a shot. Finally took a loss and neither ever came back.

Reward the consistency. Reward the streak. I’d rather see Ngannou fight Tuivasa more than Stipe 3 or Jones.