One rarely mentioned common point between Islam and Khabib.

[JustOnce]

I'm sure they both fought great, great fighters though in their own right, so I'm not shitting on them or anything by any means.

I'm sure they fought great, great fighters. They were and are amazing fighters.



....

But styles make fights.

 

[TARTARA]

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[DestinedAussie]

Yeah because that ain't prime Chandler. When you don't use your skills much, it declines. And he probably went full retard in that fight.

And why would chandler shoot on islam or Khabib? Totally different fight.

Chandler is kinda like Mendes, a great wrestler with heavy hands. Mendes if same size as Khabib and Islam, most everyone would agree, Mendes would be incredibly tough fight for both of them. Same with Chandler.

I do think Mendes is a bit better however. Nor do I think chandler came in his prime.

Chandler would definitely try to stand with Khabib, his standup isn't great and leaves his chin out there a bit. Most people see that as the way to beat Khabib but he managed to get the fight where he wanted.

 

[Pious Augustus]

The most delusional thing I read on Sherdog this year. lol.

If that's true, I don't think it is, then it shows how washed up the lightweight division became I guess, holy dear god, I mean in terms of being elite and know how to wrestle at high level and strike too, because I'm sure they ar

So just checking.....Poirier/Gaethje/Conor?

Two former featherweight strikers and Gaethje who has zero grappling off his back?

You're contradicting yourself here
You want Khabib to fight "a good wrestler like Chandler"
then you proceed to mock Khabib's top win over Gaethje claiming he has no wrestling

so why did Gaethje beat Chandler in his very next fight after he lost to Khabib

wasn't Chandler a great wrestle who can strike? why did he fail to take Gaethje down and keep him there?

 

[kingmob6]

The new "veiled" Khabib hasn't fought a wrestler thread.

 

[TerrorTimmy]

The new "veiled" Khabib hasn't fought a wrestler thread.

Can't go 12 hours without at least one of these

 

[daltonames]

They never fought a high level fighter in UFC who can strike AND wrestle before getting a title shot.

Not a shot against either of these guys, I think Islam is the BEST lightweight right now, and Khabib is probably GOAT LW, though that guy's resume is paper thin, but kinda odd how it worked out for them, both of them.

Lightweights right now are filled with amazing grapplers, and the LW used to look like

Edgar
Maynard
BJ
Sherk
Guida
Eddie
Melendez
Bendo
Gomi
Kawajiri
Thompson
Diego
[And a little later]
Tony
Kevin Lee
Chandler

I mean guys with good wrestling and lot of them with good stand ups too. People shit on Guida all the time, but the guy has a win over RDA who's probably the only elite fighter like the guys listed above who could be argued he's one of them

Like I said, Khabib is probably LW goat having retired undefeated albeit a thin resume, and Islam is likely the best LW right now, but it's just odd when LW used to look like that, neither of them has a SINGLE WIN over fighters like that, who can wrestle and strike, or wrestle very, very well. People forget BJ outwrestled Fitch at WW before, and Sherk held his own against Hughes and so on.

Just wierd. I mean, you'd think Khabib or Islam would at least have fought someone like Guida at least, or even Diego. Diego is as washed up as he gets, but no one submits Diego who held his own in wrestling against Koscheck and Fitch, and is Khabib's striking any better than Diego's? Match up make fights after all.

I just find it odd that they have had 10+ fights in their run to a title, and it can be argued none of them fought elite guys who can wrestle and strike, or wrestle very well.

So you don't consider former LW champion RDA a "high level fighter in UFC who can strike AND wrestle" ?? Khabib ragdolled him for 3 rounds.

 

[SouthpawSouthernFist]

They never fought a high level fighter in UFC who can strike AND wrestle before getting a title shot.

Not a shot against either of these guys, I think Islam is the BEST lightweight right now, and Khabib is probably GOAT LW, though that guy's resume is paper thin, but kinda odd how it worked out for them, both of them.

Lightweights right now are filled with amazing grapplers, and the LW used to look like

Edgar
Maynard
BJ
Sherk
Guida
Eddie
Melendez
Bendo
Gomi
Kawajiri
Thompson
Diego
[And a little later]
Tony
Kevin Lee
Chandler

I mean guys with good wrestling and lot of them with good stand ups too. People shit on Guida all the time, but the guy has a win over RDA who's probably the only elite fighter like the guys listed above who could be argued he's one of them

Like I said, Khabib is probably LW goat having retired undefeated albeit a thin resume, and Islam is likely the best LW right now, but it's just odd when LW used to look like that, neither of them has a SINGLE WIN over fighters like that, who can wrestle and strike, or wrestle very, very well. People forget BJ outwrestled Fitch at WW before, and Sherk held his own against Hughes and so on.

Just wierd. I mean, you'd think Khabib or Islam would at least have fought someone like Guida at least, or even Diego. Diego is as washed up as he gets, but no one submits Diego who held his own in wrestling against Koscheck and Fitch, and is Khabib's striking any better than Diego's? Match up make fights after all.

I just find it odd that they have had 10+ fights in their run to a title, and it can be argued none of them fought elite guys who can wrestle and strike, or wrestle very well.

Islam has a win over Arman.

 

[PunchyMcSplodo]

However, RDA improved a lot at WW,

lol wut

Are you trolling?

 

[PunchyMcSplodo]

The most delusional thing I read on Sherdog this year. lol.

If that's true, I don't think it is, then it shows how washed up the lightweight division became I guess, holy dear god, I mean in terms of being elite and know how to wrestle at high level and strike too, because I'm sure they are great strikers and fighters in their own right.


So just checking.....Poirier/Gaethje/Conor?

Two former featherweight strikers and Gaethje who has zero grappling off his back?

I love how you admit you have no idea what you're talking about and then continued arguing anyway.

One, Khabib's Top 10 Wins stat is absolutely true, and in LW almost ummatched.

Two, callimg Dustin a "former FW" to discredit Khabib is as stupid as mocking Chris Wiedman for beating "former welterweight" Anderson Silva (who fought at WW longer and for more fights than Dustin fought at FW). Dustin would die trying to make FW nowadays and is one of the biggest LWs there is by mass. He outweighed Khabib in cage weight.

Third, the top 10 LWs are well rounded, that's why wrestlers like Gillespie and Lee and Oliveira himself got the shit beat out of them at times on their way to the belt, while Khabib rose to the very top. They're not one dimensional. Your logic is circular.

Fourth, the idea that the deepest division in the UFC is worse than it was in the BJ Penn days is the silliest thing I've read in awhile.

 

[SteelEz]

RDA wasn't an elite fighter with good/great wrestling and good/decent/great striking. RDA was losing to Tibaus and Guidas early in his career. He did look a lot better at WW fighting Colbys and such.

Conor and Poirier are two featherweight strikers, Conor especially was coming off a lay off longer than a year.

I've seen a lot of WMMA fighters look much beetter off their back than Justin does. Pretty sad.

You're trying too hard man.

RDA lost to Khabib in the middle of his absolute prime and the middle of a 10 fight win streak that ended with him seizing the belt.

 

[fightfan70]

Anyhow, just want to make it clear, this isn't a shot at their record or strength of schedule.

We can agree to disagree on that, not what I was trying to talk about.

I was just curious how on earth out of 20+ some fights, before title shots, both of them never fought a single elite fighter with great wrestling and good/decent striking like listed above.

Just odd to me.

danastani privilege

 

[Daelh]

Other than Tony, it doesn't feel like Khabib dodged anyone(using dodged as avoided the fight not that he was scared to fight Tony).

He didn't dodge Tony either. Tony pulled out twice, one time the day before.

 

[Daelh]

RDA wasn't an elite fighter with good/great wrestling and good/decent/great striking. RDA was losing to Tibaus and Guidas early in his career. He did look a lot better at WW fighting Colbys and such.

Conor and Poirier are two featherweight strikers, Conor especially was coming off a lay off longer than a year.

I've seen a lot of WMMA fighters look much beetter off their back than Justin does. Pretty sad.

The LW champ wasn't an elite fighter.... GTFO dude. Go suck Conors pepe.

 

[JustOnce]

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[JustOnce]

Chandler would definitely try to stand with Khabib, his standup isn't great and leaves his chin out there a bit. Most people see that as the way to beat Khabib but he managed to get the fight where he wanted.

Chandler is Roberto Duran compared to Khabib however.

 

[JustOnce]

You're contradicting yourself here
You want Khabib to fight "a good wrestler like Chandler"
ythen you preced to mock Khabib's top win over Gaethje claiming he has no wrestling

so why did Gaethje beat Chandler in his very next fight after he lost to Khabib

wasn't Chandler a grat wrestle who can strike? why did he fail to take Gaethje down and keep him there?

Chandler fell in love with his hands, and likely past his prime, when you don't use it you lose it in this game.

And like I said, just because someone has great TD doesn't mean the other way around. Hendo used to wrestle people down but has shit TDDs. Mirko has GREAT TDDs, but no TDs.

It's entirely different fight against a grappler with poor striking like Khabib than it is against someone like Gaethje. MMAth doesen't work, you know.

 

[JustOnce]

So you don't consider former LW champion RDA a "high level fighter in UFC who can strike AND wrestle" ?? Khabib ragdolled him for 3 rounds.

Should I also say Paul Felder beat current LW Champ Chuck Oliveira too with your logic?

 

[JustOnce]

Islam has a win over Arman.

Noted, but on a five day notice. Just one out of 10+ I guess.

 

[Pious Augustus]

Should I also say Paul Felder beat current LW Champ Chuck Oliveira too with your logic?

RDA became champ within 11 months of losing to Khabib, RDA was already good and Top 5 was on 5 wins streak, but you're trying to say that RDA became so good in just a few months after losing to Khabib denying he was already elite at that time just so you don't credit Khabib with anything