News Oliveira: I'll knock out Topuria

Tweak896 said:
I mean if Felder can grind Olivera out in his prime, I'm sure a prime Topuria could wrestle out a win against an Olivera closer to 40.
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Charles won 11 consecutive fights after losing to Felder and 10 of those were stoppages. It is unreasonable to measure Charles by a single fight that took place 8 years ago, before his historic run in the division. He isn't the same guy and he had just moved up to lightweight one fight prior.

Setting that aside, Felder has looked comfortable at welterweight and is - hilariously - larger than Topuria. They are not similarly sized humans.


Tweak896 said:
Standing would make the fight fun, but Topuria has his magic matador power and momentum on his side. He's not one to slug it out, but snipe. He won't give away his striking defense like Chandler/Gaethje/Dustin did.
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He got chipped up plenty against Max (and to a lesser degree Volk) because he fought them with the general concept of I can take your punches but you can't take mine. He absolutely entered 50/50 exchanges in the Max fight, he just ultimately won them.

Do Bronx has a lot more clean straight punching power compared to any featherweight by a wide margin.

Tweak896 said:
I feel like it's Olivera's best shot at a title but the odds are still stacked against him. All I know is it should be fun while it lasts.
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With Islam out of the picture, Charles is IMO the most difficult fight in the division for anyone in the world. He is certainly the most proven and its not close.
 
fortheo said:
I'm really shocked to see how many people are acting like Charles is a gimme fight. I mean, I understand favoring illia, but Charles is no gimme fight
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The thing with Charles is that he’s extremely dangerous offensively, but also extremely weak defensively. It is surprising to see how many people are counting him out even though I think Ilia probably finds that chin pretty quickly and puts him out. Won’t be surprised if Charles catches him with something though.
 
rjmbrd said:
Charles won 11 consecutive fights after losing to Felder and 10 of those were stoppages. It is unreasonable to measure Charles by a single fight that took place 8 years ago, before his historic run in the division. He isn't the same guy and he had just moved up to lightweight one fight prior.

Setting that aside, Felder has looked comfortable at welterweight and is - hilariously - larger than Topuria. They are not similarly sized humans.




He got chipped up plenty against Max (and to a lesser degree Volk) because he fought them with the general concept of I can take your punches but you can't take mine. He absolutely entered 50/50 exchanges in the Max fight, he just ultimately won them.

Do Bronx has a lot more clean straight punching power compared to any featherweight by a wide margin.



With Islam out of the picture, Charles is IMO the most difficult fight in the division for anyone in the world. He is certainly the most proven and its not close.
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We'll see, I appreciate the analysis of Olivera's opponents, but I am just not impressed with how he's done after losing title. He's beat Dariush and Chandler, who never even won a fight after Olivera and they lost more dominantly to other fighters afterwards. Arman was able to grind out Olivera. Had less control time in 2/3 of those fights since. Turns 36 this October. We'll see the outcome hopefully, and I'm happy to be wrong, I did like the Olivera era at LW where he ran through everyone. But I predict it won't be an issue for Topuria.
 
ninja boot said:
Hate to break it to you brother but Conor and Charles are 2 different people
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I was comparing Conor and Topuria, not Charles. It is Topuria that is moving up from FW, like Conor did and was KOing guys at FW like Conor did, and Conor's KO power did not translate to LW....will Topuria's?

Yes Charles was once at FW a long long time ago and he has certainly grown into his frame. He was IMO a LW cutting too much to make FW.` Now he looks closer to a WW. Topuria hasn't fought anyone that is as hard to KO and Charles can take it and still find a finish.
 
dipstickjimmy said:
I was comparing Conor and Topuria, not Charles. It is Topuria that is moving up from FW, like Conor did and was KOing guys at FW like Conor did, and Conor's KO power did not translate to LW....will Topuria's?

Yes Charles was once at FW a long long time ago and he has certainly grown into his frame. He was IMO a LW cutting too much to make FW.` Now he looks closer to a WW. Topuria hasn't fought anyone that is as hard to KO and Charles can take it and still find a finish.
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Holloway isn’t as hard to KO as Charles ?

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And Just for MMAmath sakes…
Pretty sure Holloway TKO’d Olives
Conor couldn’t finish Holloway
And Toppy KO’d Holloway
 
Lets hope hes just not ' doing it for the fans'
Just win dude, no one gives a shit how you do it .
 
Neck&Neck said:
Holloway isn’t as hard to KO as Charles ?

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And Just for MMAmath sakes…
Pretty sure Holloway TKO’d Olives
Conor couldn’t finish Holloway
And Toppy KO’d Holloway
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Holloway TKO'd Olives when he was cutting way too much to make FW.
Conor had a bad knee BTW and a young and green Max and Conor vs Max with more then a few miles and a more difficult weight cut. Funny you can't see much nuance.

Never said Topuria doesn't have KO power....at FW.
Who else had lots of KO's at FW and then moved up?

Same guy Topuria has copied the rest of his life around. Same Tattoos, same bravado. I never said he can't get a KO. Just said its not a certainty his power translates at LW
 
dipstickjimmy said:
Holloway TKO'd Olives when he was cutting way too much to make FW.
Conor had a bad knee BTW and a young and green Max and Conor vs Max with more then a few miles and a more difficult weight cut. Funny you can't see much nuance.

Never said Topuria doesn't have KO power....at FW.
Who else had lots of KO's at FW and then moved up?

Same guy Topuria has copied the rest of his life around. Same Tattoos, same bravado. I never said he can't get a KO. Just said its not a certainty his power translates at LW
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Holloway didn't even really tko charles. It was an esophogus tear. Max hardly did anything to merit that "tko"
 
JKS said:
I love Charles and he's among my favorite fighters of all time. But this is not the smartest strategy when he's got a very clear advantage in the grappling. It's playing with fire and if I had to bet on it, I would say Topuira will KO Charles if they're in a fire fight.

I hope Charles just uses his striking to set up the clinch and from there work submissions and TDs against the cage. Once on the ground, it's in Charles world.
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This fight will look a lot like the Porier fight.
 
dipstickjimmy said:
Holloway TKO'd Olives when he was cutting way too much to make FW.
Conor had a bad knee BTW and a young and green Max and Conor vs Max with more then a few miles and a more difficult weight cut. Funny you can't see much nuance.

Never said Topuria doesn't have KO power....at FW.
Who else had lots of KO's at FW and then moved up?

Same guy Topuria has copied the rest of his life around. Same Tattoos, same bravado. I never said he can't get a KO. Just said its not a certainty his power translates at LW
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He has one fight at LW, which was his most violent KO to date.

It's pretty evident from what we've seen and heard that he has a lot more power than Conor.
 
fortheo said:
Holloway didn't even really tko charles. It was an esophogus tear. Max hardly did anything to merit that "tko"
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Yeah I completely forgot about that. I guess when he was looking for evidence to support the conclusion he wanted he saw TKO and stopped reading the (esophagus injury) right beside it on Max's wiki page.
 
188912345 said:
He has one fight at LW, which was his most violent KO to date.

It's pretty evident from what we've seen and heard that he has a lot more power than Conor.
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Tito had a violent and brutal KO so he clearly has KO power too.
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Again I never said he doesn't have power. KOing a low level unranked guy with a 3-5-1 UFC record isn't the same as fighting the Elite LWs. If he KO's Charles it will be impressive. I just don't think it is a simple "Given" he can/will do it. Larger guys can take a shot better (when they aren't cutting tons of weight) and pose a bigger threat coming back. Charles can just as easily "Rock" Topuria and snatch a quick sub. Ilia has to be a little more careful.
 
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