International Oligarchy is not just a Russian phenomenon. It exists right here in the USA.

Bernie is not a hypocrite at all, not even a little bit. You guys just believe the lies you tell about him so much that his actions betray your false concept of him.


But I'm glad that you can see he is right here.
They’re so bad faith. They vote for the richest man in the world as president and another billionaire as VP but to them Bernie is the hypocrite because he owns a small home or two. Guy even said he’d have no problem paying higher taxes if that’s what the government decides to do
 
Can you cite some of these metrics?
Cost of college, Healthcare, housing, wages adjusted for inflation and worker productivity since roughly the late 70s, then we get to the growing income disparity after the wealthy got significant tax breaks, the steep rise of ceo pay, etc. Basically everything Bernie has been screaming about for decades whilst wealth inequality has become more pronounced while liberals keep telling us everything is fine, look at a couple lines on a graph, ignore the noise!
 
Cost of college, Healthcare, housing, wages adjusted for inflation and worker productivity since roughly the late 70s, then we get to the growing income disparity after the wealthy got significant tax breaks, the steep rise of ceo pay, etc. Basically everything Bernie has been screaming about for decades whilst wealth inequality has become more pronounced while liberals keep telling us everything is fine, look at a couple lines on a graph, ignore the noise!
To be clear you're also pointing to lines on a graph except you didn't even go through the trouble of citing actual graphs.
 
To be clear you're also pointing to lines on a graph except you didn't even go through the trouble of citing actual graphs.
I can point to lines on a graph and say anthropogenic climate change isn't real. I can find climate scientists that say it's bullshit.

I can point to FAR more graphs, institutions, and scientists over decades confirming its existence.

Same principle here.
 
I can point to lines on a graph and say anthropogenic climate change isn't real. I can find climate scientists that say it's bullshit.

I can point to FAR more graphs, institutions, and scientists over decades confirming its existence.

Same principle here.
So then show me and cite the graphs.
 
At this point saying expenses haven't been rising for the average person, wages haven't kept pace, and inequality hasn't grown (in more than just the US mind you) is tantamount to saying the earth is flat or that climate change is fake news
 
So then show me and cite the graphs.
No. Not to mention I'm on my phone and don't have time. What you're saying is so antithetical to reality I won't entertain it at any point. You're smart enough to know better to so this is being in a bubble, willful ignorance, or dishonesty. Sorry bud, I like you but there ain't no way around it. Saying inequality isn't an issue in 2024 is absolutely insane
 
At this point saying expenses haven't been rising for the average person, wages haven't kept pace, and inequality hasn't grown (in more than just the US mind you) is tantamount to saying the earth is flat or that climate change is fake news
Life expectancy has also increased in the same time frame.

I agree risings costs of things like housing are a problem but the solution isn't to get rid of billionaires.
 
Oh, okay, in the same time frame, gave yourself a way out but all of this doesn't also mean science has made advancements
 
Life expectancy has also increased in the same time frame.

I agree risings costs of things like housing are a problem but the solution isn't to get rid of billionaires.
Okay so you literally agree with me but just not that billionaires shouldn't be billionaires. Odd conversation but okay, got it
 
Okay so you literally agree with me but just not that billionaires shouldn't be billionaires. Odd conversation but okay, got it
I don't agree with your doom and gloom narrative. We've made serious progress on the last 50 years despite some setbacks and lingering issues here and there.
 
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Okay so you literally agree with me but just not that billionaires shouldn't be billionaires. Odd conversation but okay, got it

The same argument could be made for Christianity. It's got some serious serious issues, but people that love the system and trust it implicitly and value it more than human beings will say that we're doing great. Just need some tweaks around the edges.... People like that say that the church changes in centuries while entire generations are harmed here and now.

It's valuing the system as is over human beings.
 
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Life expectancy has also increased in the same time frame.

I agree risings costs of things like housing are a problem but the solution isn't to get rid of billionaires.
Life expectancy in America is lesser than it is in Cuba. America is capable of being better than that with all our advancements in healthcare and technology, getting outplayed by a runt like Fidel in any metric is embarassing…


I agree but I think the populist approach driven by spite leads to bad solutions. Even if you reduce income inequality as long as you have a fair market economy there will be haves and have-nots and so focusing on billionaires and their opulence can lead you astray when it comes to the proper tax policy.
Cynicism and Populism coupled together is a recipe for disaster. The Naxalite movement back in India is concise evidence for that.

That being said, a “fair market” economy is pretty subjective. Time and time again, wealth has shown not to redistribute reasonably for the working class. Since ‘87, the top 1% federal tax has plummeted and swimmed around 30-40%. The trend of income disparity has only risen since then….It is uncanny.


I wouldn’t necessarily have a particular issue with the billionaire entourage or their tax cuts either if stuff like Healthcare were efficiently universalized or infrastructure was well-maintained like in Singapore. They manage to do that with some freakishly low tax rates.


Nonetheless, I’m not saying that we need to go all technocratic like Singapore but surely, there is some unnecessary expenditure going on the government’s behalf that can be better served in the domains of universalized healthcare or rebuilding impoverished communities.
 
Can you cite some of these metrics?

U.S. income inequality, on rise for decades, is now highest since 1928​


US obesity rates have tripled over the last 60 years​


Overall, 11 percent of US children were living in a father-absent household in 1960 as compared to 25 percent in 2020

Annual suicide deaths per 100,000 people in the US increased gradually from 10 in 1950 to 13 in 1970 then experienced a long decline, reaching a trough at 10 in 2000. Between 2000 and 2020, however, the US suicide rate exhibited an upward trend.

Nine-year-olds had the largest score decline in reading since 1990.

 
Cost of college, Healthcare, housing, wages adjusted for inflation and worker productivity since roughly the late 70s, then we get to the growing income disparity after the wealthy got significant tax breaks, the steep rise of ceo pay, etc. Basically everything Bernie has been screaming about for decades whilst wealth inequality has become more pronounced while liberals keep telling us everything is fine, look at a couple lines on a graph, ignore the noise!
Oh shit, you lost me 😭

This sounds like some MAGA hyperbole at the end there. Data is pretty objective lol
 
Oh shit, you lost me 😭

This sounds like some MAGA hyperbole at the end there. Data is pretty objective lol
It happened, just like libs saying on these hallowed forums that Biden wasn't suffering cognitive decline.

That smug attitude is what loses elections and shifts the country further to the right.

I'm also correct about my earlier assertions
 
It happened, just like libs saying on these hallowed forums that Biden wasn't suffering cognitive decline.
I do like you as a person so don’t take it personally. I did say Biden was too old as did several liberals on here as well. Jon Stewart, George Clooney and so many did close to Biden. The party fought and eventually he was shoved out….That type of infighting and introspection was not done in the Republican Party and they seem rewarded for sticking with a guy that pays less in income tax than single mothers barely holding on.

That smug attitude is what loses elections and shifts the country further to the right.

I'm also correct about my earlier assertions
Smug? I’m generally only smug towards the vitriolic right wingers or just bonafide terrorists apologists on the left that were coddling Assad or Putin. You expect me to bend a knee to people that see immigrants from my family as vermin? Lol

I also agree with you on like 95% of things, man…I’m just less cynical. You lost me with the last statement but the rest was fine.
 
I do like you as a person so don’t take it personally. I did say Biden was too old as did several liberals on here as well. Jon Stewart, George Clooney and so many did close to Biden. The party fought and eventually he was shoved out….That type of infighting and introspection was not done in the Republican Party and they seem rewarded for sticking with a guy that pays less in income tax than single mothers barely holding on.


Smug? I’m generally only smug towards the vitriolic right wingers or just bonafide terrorists apologists on the left that were coddling Assad or Putin. You expect me to bend a knee to people that see immigrants from my family as vermin? Lol

I also agree with you on like 95% of things, man…I’m just less cynical. You lost me with the last statement but the rest was fine.
When I said libs I wasn't referring to you specifically, you weren't posting here or at least not on this account then.

I don't expect you to bend the knee, I sure as shit hope not. A scary amount of people are already doing that.

Life expectancy in America is lesser than it is in Cuba. America is capable of being better than that with all our advancements in healthcare and technology, getting outplayed by a runt like Fidel in any metric is embarassing…



Cynicism and Populism coupled together is a recipe for disaster. The Naxalite movement back in India is concise evidence for that.

That being said, a “fair market” economy is pretty subjective. Time and time again, wealth has shown not to redistribute reasonably for the working class. Since ‘87, the top 1% federal tax has plummeted and swimmed around 30-40%. The trend of income disparity has only risen since then….It is uncanny.


I wouldn’t necessarily have a particular issue with the billionaire entourage or their tax cuts either if stuff like Healthcare were efficiently universalized or infrastructure was well-maintained like in Singapore. They manage to do that with some freakishly low tax rates.


Nonetheless, I’m not saying that we need to go all technocratic like Singapore but surely, there is some unnecessary expenditure going on the government’s behalf that can be better served in the domains of universalized healthcare or rebuilding impoverished communities.

U.S. income inequality, on rise for decades, is now highest since 1928​


US obesity rates have tripled over the last 60 years​


Overall, 11 percent of US children were living in a father-absent household in 1960 as compared to 25 percent in 2020

Annual suicide deaths per 100,000 people in the US increased gradually from 10 in 1950 to 13 in 1970 then experienced a long decline, reaching a trough at 10 in 2000. Between 2000 and 2020, however, the US suicide rate exhibited an upward trend.

Nine-year-olds had the largest score decline in reading since 1990.
This is the kinda stuff I was talking about that is extremely well known and there's even more that goes with this, that's why I brushed off @Islam Imamate, he's not some MAGA goof and this stuff is easy to look up and he probably already knew a lot of it, that's why I was confused about his responses. Nothing I said is remotely controversial.
 
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