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how is the power usage compared to a regular xbox one?
Do we really care about this? Doesn't strike me as a significant concern.

Both the PS5 and XSX draw more power than their predecessors (though they're simultaneously more power efficient). Quoted ranges are 300W for XSX and 350W for PS5, but I wouldn't be surprised if actual draws were below this if tested precisely.
http://energyusecalculator.com/electricity_gameconsole.htm

Even if you gamed 6 hours a day 365 days out of the year, where I am, on the baseline electric rate with PG&E, the difference between the previous gen Xboxes and the XSX would amount to ~$35-$60 a year depending on which previous gen console you had.
 
Ya that was news to me.


1080p @ 60Hz 15.9 ms
1080p @ 60Hz + HDR 54.4 ms
1080p @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode 82.5 ms
1080p @ 120Hz 10.9 ms
4k @ 60Hz 15.9 ms
4k @ 60Hz + HDR 52.5 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 52.4 ms
4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + 8 bit HDR 52.5 ms
4k @ 60Hz Outside Game Mode 82.5 ms
4k With Interpolation 77.6 ms
4k @ 120 Hz N/A
4k with Variable Refresh Rate N/A
1080p with Variable Refresh Rate N/A

Excellent low input lag for SDR content, but only okay input lag for HDR content. HDMI port 5 is a low bandwidth port that doesn't support HDR, but has much lower input lag than the other ports, making it excellent for SDR gaming. We conducted all tests on HDMI ports 1, 2 and 5: ports 1 and 2 have identical input lag within variance, but port 5 has much lower lag for all resolutions that it can support, including 4k @ 60 Hz @ 4:2:0. These results are almost identical to last year's P Series 2016.

So it appears it's just shitty tv's that cause this issue.
 
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Thanks. Thought they would be higher. I might still be good for a while.
 
Microsoft Releases Official Launch Library List
Day One Xbox Series X|S Optimized Titles

Source post (these are Console, Platform, or Timed exclusives):
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/161761352/
Key:
Green = Smart Delivery

XSX/XSS Gen
  • As Dusk Falls (Microsoft)
  • Avowed (Microsoft)
  • Call of the Sea (Raw Fury)
  • Everwild (Microsoft)
  • The Falconeer (Wired Productions)
  • Fable (Microsoft)
  • Forza Motorsport 8 (Microsoft)
  • Gears 5 (Microsoft)
  • Gears Tactics (Microsoft)
  • Halo Infinite (Microsoft)
  • Hello Neighbor 2 (tinyBuild)
  • Martha is Dead (Wired Productions)
  • Project Mara (Microsoft)
  • Senua's Saga: Hellblade II (Microsoft)
  • S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 (GSC Game World)
  • State of Decay 3 (Microsoft)
  • The Gunk (Thunderful)
  • The Medium (Bloober Team)
  • Warhammer 40,000: Darktide (Fatshark)
XSX/XSS Gen, Indie
  • 12 Minutes (Annapurna Interactive)
  • Echo Generation (Cococucumber)
  • Exomecha (TwistedRed)
  • Dead Static Drive (Fanclub)
  • Exo One (Exbleative)
  • Lake (Gamious)
  • Last Stop (Annapurna Interactive)
  • Mad Streets (Craftshop Arts Inc.)
  • Orphan of the Machine (Dynamic Voltage)
  • Sable (Raw Fury)
  • Scorn (Ebb Software)
  • Shredders (I-Illusions)
  • Song of Iron (Escape)
  • The Artful Escape (Annapurna Interactive)
  • The Ascent (Curve Digital)
  • The Big Con (Mighty Yell)
  • Tunic (Finji)
  • Unexplored 2: The Wayfarer's Legacy (Big Sugar)
Previous Gen: XSX/XSS Optimized
  • CrossFireX (Grounded)
  • Forza Horizon 4 (Microsoft)
  • Grounded (Microsoft)
  • Ori and the Will of the Wisps (Microsoft)
  • Phantasy Star Online 2: New Genesis (Sega)
  • Sea of Thieves (Microsoft)
  • Second Extinction (Systemic Reaction)
  • Tell Me Why (Microsoft)
  • Tetris Effect: Connected (Enhance Games)
 
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Microsoft Releases Official Launch Library List
Day One Xbox Series X|S Optimized Titles
Kind of a trash launch list but I’m stoked on what the future holds. Also sea of thieves with reduced loading times is huge.
 
Microsoft Releases Official Launch Library List
Day One Xbox Series X|S Optimized Titles

Source post (these are Console, Platform, or Timed exclusives):
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/161761352/
Key:
Green = Smart Delivery

XSX/XSS Gen
  • As Dusk Falls (Microsoft)
  • Avowed (Microsoft)
  • Call of the Sea (Raw Fury)
  • Everwild (Microsoft)
  • The Falconeer (Wired Productions)
  • Fable (Microsoft)
  • Forza Motorsport 8 (Microsoft)
  • Gears 5 (Microsoft)
  • Gears Tactics (Microsoft)
  • Halo Infinite (Microsoft)
  • Hello Neighbor 2 (tinyBuild)
  • Martha is Dead (Wired Productions)
  • Project Mara (Microsoft)
  • Senua's Saga: Hellblade II (Microsoft)
  • S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 (GSC Game World)
  • State of Decay 3 (Microsoft)
  • The Gunk (Thunderful)
  • The Medium (Bloober Team)
  • Warhammer 40,000: Darktide (Fatshark)
XSX/XSS Gen, Indie
  • 12 Minutes (Annapurna Interactive)
  • Echo Generation (Cococucumber)
  • Exomecha (TwistedRed)
  • Dead Static Drive (Fanclub)
  • Exo One (Exbleative)
  • Lake (Gamious)
  • Last Stop (Annapurna Interactive)
  • Mad Streets (Craftshop Arts Inc.)
  • Orphan of the Machine (Dynamic Voltage)
  • Sable (Raw Fury)
  • Scorn (Ebb Software)
  • Shredders (I-Illusions)
  • Song of Iron (Escape)
  • The Artful Escape (Annapurna Interactive)
  • The Ascent (Curve Digital)
  • The Big Con (Mighty Yell)
  • Tunic (Finji)
  • Unexplored 2: The Wayfarer's Legacy (Big Sugar)
Previous Gen: XSX/XSS Optimized
  • CrossFireX (Grounded)
  • Forza Horizon 4 (Microsoft)
  • Grounded (Microsoft)
  • Ori and the Will of the Wisps (Microsoft)
  • Phantasy Star Online 2: New Genesis (Sega)
  • Sea of Thieves (Microsoft)
  • Second Extinction (Systemic Reaction)
  • Tell Me Why (Microsoft)
  • Tetris Effect: Connected (Enhance Games)

I didn’t realize that the next-gen version of DMC 5 was going to be on Xbox as well, since it was shown during that PS5 show four weeks ago I assumed that it was at the very least a timed exclusive for Sony.

Also, when does the new Call of Duty come out? Is that not a launch title? If memory serves me wasn’t Ghosts a launch title for PS4 and X1 seven years ago?

Also, what’s the deal with the new Assassin’s Creed? Is there a distinct next gen version with extra graphical bells and whistles, or is it just the current gen’s version with enhanced performance?
 
You were starting to get obnoxious.
Yea that was the point, I didn’t think anyone was taking it that seriously. My bad. Guess I misread the situation and everyone is really emotionally invested in this. I’ll keep it positive from here on out.
 
Microsoft Releases Official Launch Library List
Day One Xbox Series X|S Optimized Titles

Source post (these are Console, Platform, or Timed exclusives):
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/161761352/
Key:
Green = Smart Delivery

XSX/XSS Gen
  • As Dusk Falls (Microsoft)
  • Avowed (Microsoft)
  • Call of the Sea (Raw Fury)
  • Everwild (Microsoft)
  • The Falconeer (Wired Productions)
  • Fable (Microsoft)
  • Forza Motorsport 8 (Microsoft)
  • Gears 5 (Microsoft)
  • Gears Tactics (Microsoft)
  • Halo Infinite (Microsoft)
  • Hello Neighbor 2 (tinyBuild)
  • Martha is Dead (Wired Productions)
  • Project Mara (Microsoft)
  • Senua's Saga: Hellblade II (Microsoft)
  • S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 (GSC Game World)
  • State of Decay 3 (Microsoft)
  • The Gunk (Thunderful)
  • The Medium (Bloober Team)
  • Warhammer 40,000: Darktide (Fatshark)
XSX/XSS Gen, Indie
  • 12 Minutes (Annapurna Interactive)
  • Echo Generation (Cococucumber)
  • Exomecha (TwistedRed)
  • Dead Static Drive (Fanclub)
  • Exo One (Exbleative)
  • Lake (Gamious)
  • Last Stop (Annapurna Interactive)
  • Mad Streets (Craftshop Arts Inc.)
  • Orphan of the Machine (Dynamic Voltage)
  • Sable (Raw Fury)
  • Scorn (Ebb Software)
  • Shredders (I-Illusions)
  • Song of Iron (Escape)
  • The Artful Escape (Annapurna Interactive)
  • The Ascent (Curve Digital)
  • The Big Con (Mighty Yell)
  • Tunic (Finji)
  • Unexplored 2: The Wayfarer's Legacy (Big Sugar)
Previous Gen: XSX/XSS Optimized
  • CrossFireX (Grounded)
  • Forza Horizon 4 (Microsoft)
  • Grounded (Microsoft)
  • Ori and the Will of the Wisps (Microsoft)
  • Phantasy Star Online 2: New Genesis (Sega)
  • Sea of Thieves (Microsoft)
  • Second Extinction (Systemic Reaction)
  • Tell Me Why (Microsoft)
  • Tetris Effect: Connected (Enhance Games)

The next Gen verison of Destiny 2 releases December 8th and is Smart Delivery too, not sure if that counts for your list in the not day 1 part
 
I didn’t realize that the next-gen version of DMC 5 was going to be on Xbox as well, since it was shown during that PS5 show four weeks ago I assumed that it was at the very least a timed exclusive for Sony.

Also, when does the new Call of Duty come out? Is that not a launch title? If memory serves me wasn’t Ghosts a launch title for PS4 and X1 seven years ago?

Also, what’s the deal with the new Assassin’s Creed? Is there a distinct next gen version with extra graphical bells and whistles, or is it just the current gen’s version with enhanced performance?
I don't recall seeing anything about DMC prior to this, either. COD Ghosts was a launch title for the Xbox One. The linked article mentions COD: Black Ops- Cold War is coming November 13, and I think I recall seeing something about that COD (or another) being on Game Pass.

About the last part, so the PS5 and XSX will both run older titles with automatic improvements to things like framerate, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have been given special attention to optimize them. These are more like remasters. Right now the working term is "optimized" to describe these titles.

Older games that get this special attention from developers with a free upgrade to the optimized version on the new platforms will be labeled "PS5 Upgrade" titles on the PS5. On the Xbox, there are two levels. The lesser level which matches the PS5 Upgrade service doesn't have a label, I don't think, but they'll just call them "Xbox Series X/S Optimized Titles". The greater level is the "Smart Delivery" label. Not only are these titles optimized, but they are both forwards and backwards compatible so that you only have to buy them once. I wrote about that here:
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/161761352/
The next Gen verison of Destiny 2 releases December 8th and is Smart Delivery too, not sure if that counts for your list in the not day 1 part
It mentions that Destiny 2 launches on November 10th (but won't be optimized until December 8th). Click the top link.
 
I don't recall seeing anything about DMC prior to this, either. COD Ghosts was a launch title for the Xbox One. The linked article mentions COD: Black Ops- Cold War is coming November 13, and I think I recall seeing something about that COD (or another) being on Game Pass.

About the last part, so the PS5 and XSX will both run older titles with automatic improvements to things like framerate, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have been given special attention to optimize them. These are more like remasters. Right now the working term is "optimized" to describe these titles.

Older games that get this special attention from developers with a free upgrade to the optimized version on the new platforms will be labeled "PS5 Upgrade" titles on the PS5. On the Xbox, there are two levels. The lesser level which matches the PS5 Upgrade service doesn't have a label, I don't think, but they'll just call them "Xbox Series X/S Optimized Titles". The greater level is the "Smart Delivery" label. Not only are these titles optimized, but they are both forwards and backwards compatible so that you only have to buy them once. I wrote about that here:
https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/161761352/

It mentions that Destiny 2 launches on November 10th. Click the top link.

Ok, so smart delivery implies that it is truly a “next gen game”, if not now then later on down the road (like Cyberpunk is supposed to be).
 
Also if you complained about thread banning and then called someone else out to be banned you’re a butthurt hypocrite. There’s nothing wrong with lighthearted ribbing over these things. The moderator is wrong though well meaning, you’re just salty and looking for revenge. I forgive you.


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You forgot to switch accounts there, buddy.
 
Ok, so smart delivery implies that it is truly a “next gen game”, if not now then later on down the road (like Cyberpunk is supposed to be).
No, "optimized" or "upgraded" are terms they're using to mean a game from the previous generation has been given special attention to retouch it for the next gen systems. "Smart Delivery" is a unique Xbox service, and what makes it stand out is its "dual entitlement" policy.

Level 1: No Special Upgrade
First, let's take an example of a game that won't be getting "upgraded" aka "optimized" for free, or at all. Since the XSX and PS5 are backwards compatible with nearly all games of their predecessors, that could be any game you don't see on this list. Thus, there has been no announcement these games will run a special upgraded/optimized version. These will usually look better on the newer consoles, even without that, due to automated resolution & framerate target improvements, but that's it. This could mean a game that ran at 900p@30fps on the Xbox One will automatically run at 1080p@60fps on the XSX. These automatic advantages are apparently more likely to be implemented on the Xbox Series X/S than the PS5.

Level 2: Xbox One X or PS4 Pro Enhanced
Some games from the previous generation already received a special "enhanced" version for the Xbox One X or PS4 Pro with manual improvements by developers to things like textures. On Xbox, these enhanced versions are always automatically the version used on the newer Series X/S consoles. On PS5 the carryover of enhanced titles is more limited.

Level 3: Special Upgrade, Not Free
Next, there are games that get special attention to upgrade them for the PS5 or Xbox Series X/S. You may be charged for these upgraded versions. It's up to the developer if they wish to provide them for free, and some aren't. An example from my above post that will cost money for the special upgraded version, available on both consoles, is Observer: System Redux.

Level 4: Special Upgrade, Free
With Sony, those that provide an optimized upgrade for free carry the "PS5 Upgrade" label. Sony doesn't demand this service be supported, and they aren't necessarily supporting it themselves. They leave it up to the developers. So, for example, Visual Concepts chose to put NBA 2K21 on the service. Say you already own the game on the PS4. Visual Concepts is properly remastering it for the PS5, and they're going to give you this upgraded version for free. That's why it will carry the "PS5 Upgrade" label. They are also offering a free upgraded version for the newer Xboxes, and so you know, every developer who has chosen to participate in the "PS5 Upgrade" with a multiplatform game is also offering a free upgrade for the newer Xboxes. The Xbox doesn't have a special label or name for games like this, though.

Level 5: Xbox Smart Delivery (Free Special Upgrade + Dual Entitlement)
However, NBA 2K21 is not a "Smart Delivery" title. That is only on Xbox, and it goes one step further. An example is Sea of Thieves. Say you already own that game on the Xbox One. You will automatically get the upgraded version on the Xbox Series X/S for free. But, yet further, suppose you don't own it on the Xbox One. You buy it on the Xbox Series X for the first time. Because it is a Smart Delivery title, you now also own it on the Xbox One, and can download it and play it on that platform. Ergo, if you buy a Smart Delivery title on either platform, you own it on both. Ownership works forwards and backwards. This is what has been dubbed the "dual entitlement" policy. That's what separates Smart Delivery titles.
Furthermore, to their credit, Microsoft has promised to put every first-party title it makes on the Smart Delivery service. That's a big deal. That shows whenever it is directly under their control they will go the extra mile.

Level 6: True Next Gen Games (no upgrade necessary)
Finally, to me, a "truly next gen game" is one that will only exist on the newer consoles, and not on the older consoles. Obviously there will be no need for free upgrades or dual entitlement backwards compatibility at all with games like that. You won't really see games like this on the Xbox since it doesn't jive with their revolutionary new console strategy. That's been part of their radical overhaul shifting to a more PC-like mentality. They seek for games to run on every Xbox moving forward. The only question is what version your Xbox will be capable of running. Conversely, Sony is still trying to carry the torch of "we believe in generations", though they've already made serious concessions on this front before the launch even happened. An example is Godfall. The benefit for games like that is the developers aren't hamstrung going out of their way to develop a version the older consoles can run. They focus purely on the latest hardware.
 
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