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[Dizzy]

It's inevitable, and MS might actually be ahead of the curve in this regard. I don't believe consoles themselves are going to be fighting with each other, as much as the services they provide. Game exclusivity is only going to carry companies so far in the future, as universal connectivity becomes more of a selling point.

MS already has a foothold in that market, being the company behind Windows and all. Sony might find themselves going the way of Nintendo, if they shut the larger percentage of the market share out. Which isn't a bad thing, necessarily. Nintendo carved out a niche rather admirably, avoiding what the mainstream was doing. Sony just might not be #1 in the very near future.

When is this sea change coming? Zoomers are still growing up in a traditional console environment. 20 years from now?

Sony is behind in backwards compatibility and they're trying to remedy that, they're making a concerted effort into the PS Now service, and reluctantly following suit in cross platform play (all products of competition). You'll still need something to take advantage of those services so what happens with that? Most people don't have a PC capable of playing modern titles. PC's are being replaced more and more by tablets and cell phones.

If Sony isn't #1 in the very near future it's because they aren't providing an easy to use, affordable product with software to back it up. Could happen, but it's going to take a pretty big blunder on their end to knock them off the hill they've been sitting on top of for 20+ years.

 

[HereticBD]

When is this sea change coming? Zoomers are still growing up in a traditional console environment. 20 years from now?

No, I'd say it's coming this gen. Now, exclusivity isn't irrelevant, but if and when MS gets a hotcake, they will have two platforms to sell it on, as opposed to Sony's one. That's a big deal, and MS has been prepping for it. We'll see what happens though. Those killer apps don't just fall out of trees.

You'll still need something to take advantage of those services so what happens with that? Most people don't have a PC capable of playing modern titles. PC's are being replaced more and more by tablets and cell phones.

High end gaming PC's are not being replaced by tablets and cell phones. C'mon now.

If Sony isn't #1 in the very near future it's because they aren't providing an easy to use, affordable product with software to back it up. Could happen, but it's going to take a pretty big blunder on their end to knock them off the hill they've been sitting on top of for 20+ years.

Their "blunder" would be not being able to keep up with a monster like MS, that controls two markets. Even if they fell behind, it wouldn't necessarily be their fault, in terms of strategy. They just might be a victim of an unstoppable juggernaut, and unless they made some concessions in terms of partnership, they might find themselves in a similar situation as Nintendo, which I repeat, would not necessarily be a terrible thing. They just might not be the big dog anymore.

We'll see what happens, but I think MS has a better idea of where the industry is headed.

 

[Dizzy]

No, I'd say it's coming this gen. Now, exclusivity isn't irrelevant, but if and when MS gets a hotcake, they will have two platforms to sell it on, as opposed to Sony's one. That's a big deal, and MS has been prepping for it. We'll see what happens though. Those killer apps don't just fall out of trees.



High end gaming PC's are not being replaced by tablets and cell phones. C'mon now.



Their "blunder" would be not being able to keep up with a monster like MS, that controls two markets. Even if they fell behind, it wouldn't necessarily be their fault, in terms of strategy. They just might be a victim of an unstoppable juggernaut, and unless they made some concessions in terms of partnership, they might find themselves in a similar situation as Nintendo, which I repeat, would not necessarily be a terrible thing. They just might not be the big dog anymore.

We'll see what happens, but I think MS has a better idea of where the industry is headed.

It's not. I'd love to see the statistics of people that can play a modern day, graphically advanced title on their home PC's. No one said tablets and cell phones are replacing high end rigs. I'm saying the amount of people who have high end rigs is negligible as you brought up the amount of households that have windows. Vast majority of families aren't sinking $1k into a gaming rig for little Timmy. They'll get the $300-$400 option that they can plug and play. If the better option is the Xbox then they'll be #1, if it's not, it'll be Sony again.

The amount of gamers Sony has captured this generation isn't going to be overcome by the possibility of the Windows market.

 

[PRIDEWASBETTER]

Bring on the....*checks name*...Xbox!

 

[HereticBD]

It's not. I'd love to see the statistics of people that can play a modern day, graphically advanced title on their home PC's.

You can easily check out Steam for some of those stats. It's not a market to be dismissed. LOTS of folks are playing modern day AAA games on PC. It's not some niche market. Now merge it with the console market, which MS has slowly but surely been trying to do...

All it would take is a couple of big games exclusive to MS, and then a market shift will commence.

 

[KaNesDeath]

Yeah, fuck competition. Are you an idiot?

What competition? Hardware and OS are near identical.

 

[Dizzy]

You can easily check out Steam for some of those stats. It's not a market to be dismissed. LOTS of folks are playing modern day AAA games on PC. It's not some niche market. Now merge it with the console market, which MS has slowly but surely been trying to do...

All it would take is a couple of big games exclusive to MS, and then a market shift will commence.

As a threat to 100 million PS4 users? Idk about that.

Microsoft hasn't shown they have a killer app for a while now. Halo 5 will move some sales, sure. Gears can't anymore. Forza?

We'll see what they have in store. If they start producing quality first party games, I'll gladly pick up an Xbox X. Until then, I know what I'm gonna get from Sony and I think a lot of gamers do too.

 

[Bangkok ready d1]

Nice looking skyscraper

 

[HereticBD]

As a threat to 100 million PS4 users? Idk about that.

Microsoft hasn't shown they have a killer app for a while now. Halo 5 will move some sales, sure. Gears can't anymore. Forza?

We'll see what they have in store. If they start producing quality first party games, I'll gladly pick up an Xbox X. Until then, I know what I'm gonna get from Sony and I think a lot of gamers do too.

I agree that MS has to stop relying on past glory, as that ship has sailed. However, they've been quietly scooping up developers over the past little while. That's strategy. Whether it pays off or not in the future, remains to be seen, as you can't buy creativity. These are the same guys that turned "Rare" into a running joke, so we'll see what happens.

I think they've set themselves up nicely for the future though. At least on paper...

 

[Dizzy]

Whether it pays off or not in future, remains to be seen, as you can't buy creativity.

That's what I feel they've been trying to do. I'm not sure what drives Sony's first party studios but it seems to spring up organically. The Microsoft approach feels so forced. Like a film company giving some little indie director a flag pole movie in one of their biggest franchises because he made a cool movie. It never really works out.

 

[HereticBD]

That's what I feel they've been trying to do. I'm not sure what drives Sony's first party studios but it seems to spring up organically. The Microsoft approach feels so forced. Like a film company giving some little indie director a flag pole movie in one of their biggest franchises because he made a cool movie. It never really works out.

I don't believe its as simple as that, or can even be defined. Sometimes you got it, and sometimes you don't. Both companies have had highlights and lowlights. The first two years of the PS3 was a joke, for instance, while MS was running away with the 360. There's an ebb and flow to this stuff.

 

[Dizzy]

I don't believe its as simple as that, or can even be defined. Sometimes you got it, and sometimes you don't. Both companies have had highlights and lowlights. The first two years of the PS3 was a joke, for instance, while MS was running away with the 360. There's an ebb and flow to this stuff.

I should clarify it seems to be their strategy of late and it comes across feeling really hollow. I'm about seeing cool games no matter where they come from. Hopefully something comes from these studios they've snatched up but like I said, it feels like they're trying to buy that magic that made something work.

 

[Madmick]

@Dizzy, Linus wasn't advocating for the end of the Playstation brand. He was advocating for a business strategy by Microsoft that he believes is so overwhelming it will demolish the Playstation's relevance. He simply thinks they're both practically PCs, already, so drop the act. Indeed, I don't concur with this, either.

I agree with you, generally. I'm not going to watch the whole video, but Linus and Kane both essentially want Microsoft to fund Valve's dream for a Steambox when quite obviously that product's business model failed spectacularly. Linus's grand idea is to turn the Xbox into a fucking launcher ("software layer"). Why on earth would Microsoft operate a console hardware business at a loss in order to provide a larger platform for Steam and other PC software markets to make money?

The way they're doing it is the way to do it. They are building a console that is incredibly friendly to developers who want to port PC titles (or Playstation titles for that matter). They are letting users link this console and their PC-- if they have one-- as if they were the devices on the same operating system. However, they are only doing this if you buy the software from them.

Frankly, I think that's the most logical next step. Why not make their exclusives compatible with the PC, but only if you buy them from the Xbox store, or through an Xbox service? I'm talking about all exclusives: third party included.

Also, this purchase must be through the Xbox store; not even the Microsoft store. PC gamers can play these exclusives, but only if they also own an Xbox, and purchase it from the Xbox store via an Xbox using an account linked to their PC from the Microsoft store. Alternatively, more kindly to PC gamers, at least put it behind a subscription paywall like Sony is already doing with their PS Now service; except instead make the game fully compliant and synchronized. Here's what I mean. So PC gamers can play pretty much any exclusive on the PS4, already, but they face a double-subscription paywall. They have to subscribe to both the Playstation Plus and PS Now services separately, but unlike PS4 users, they're still forced to stream these titles, and aren't allowed to download them. Furthermore, there is no more integration of the PC and PS4 beyond that. Rather than that, let the PC gamers download the exclusive to the PC, and also sync it between the PC and Xbox (if they have one).

As we've seen with Apple "services" are considered the future. It's a perpetual stream of money. That justifies the existence of the consoles as hardware.

 

[0_o]

@Dizzy, Linus wasn't advocating for the end of the Playstation brand. He was advocating for a business strategy by Microsoft that he believes is so overwhelming it will demolish the Playstation's relevance. He simply thinks they're both practically PCs, already, so drop the act. Indeed, I don't concur with this, either.

I agree with you, generally. I'm not going to watch the whole video, but Linus and Kane both essentially want Microsoft to fund Valve's dream for a Steambox when quite obviously that product's business model failed spectacularly. Linu's grand idea is to turn the Xbox into a fucking launcher ("software layer"). Why on earth would Microsoft operate a console hardware business at a loss in order to provide a larger platform for Steam and other PC software markets to make money?

The way they're doing it is the way to do it. They are building a console that is incredibly friendly to developers who want to port PC titles (or Playstation titles for that matter). They are letting users link this console and their PC-- if they have one-- as if they were the devices on the same operating system. However, they are only doing this if you buy the software from them.

Frankly, I think that's the most logical next step. Why not make their exclusives compatible with the PC, but only if you buy them from the Xbox store, or through an Xbox service?

Not even the Microsoft store. PC gamers can play these exclusives, but only if they also own an Xbox, and purchase it from the Xbox store via an Xbox using an account linked to their PC from the Microsoft store. Alternatively, more kindly to the PC gamers, at least put it behind a subscription paywall like Sony is already doing with their PS Now service; except instead make the game fully compliant and synchronized. Here's what I mean. So PC gamers can play pretty much any exclusive on the PS4, already, but they face a double-subscription paywall. They have to subscribe to both the Playstation Plus and PS Now services separately, but unlike PS4 users, they're still forced to stream these titles, and aren't allowed to download them. Furthermore, there is no more integration of the PC and PS4 beyond that. Rather than that, let the PC gamers download the exclusive to the PC, and also sync it between the PC and Xbox (if they have one). As we've seen with Apple "services" are considered the future. It's a perpetual stream of money. That justifies the existence of the consoles as hardware.

If that was true, they should've installed a fan that's actually proportionate to the hardware they keep gushing over.

Can't believe in the modern era they still overheat and fry disc games for the crime of...continuous play.

Forces everyone to buy digital versions and max out their tiny xbox brain.

 

[Madmick]

If that was true, they should've installed a fan that's actually proportionate to the hardware they keep gushing over.

Can't believe in the modern era they still overheat and fry disc games for the crime of...continuous play.

Forces everyone to buy digital versions and max out their tiny xbox brain.

I wasn't aware this was an issue. I presume it's an issue with the Xbox One X?

We won't know how well engineered this thing until it hits the shelves, but I agree, such a compact, boxy design with so much power without any liquid cooling is...eyebrow-raising.

 

[0_o]

I wasn't aware this was an issue. I presume it's an issue with the Xbox One X?

We won't know how well engineered this thing until it hits the shelves, but I agree, such a company boxy design with so much power without any liquid cooling is...eyebrow-raising.

I always heard the US military shipped playstation 3s and 4s to remote bases as a cheap gearbox for essential hardware/engineering parts, back in the day plastation 1 and 2 only reported broken disc drives (loose/cheap frame or something) never overheating

Meanwhile overheating has been widely reported on discs for xbox, xbox 360, xbox one with a few rare reports on the one x

 

[Woldog]

If that was true, they should've installed a fan that's actually proportionate to the hardware they keep gushing over.

Can't believe in the modern era they still overheat and fry disc games for the crime of...continuous play.

Forces everyone to buy digital versions and max out their tiny xbox brain.

I wasn't aware this was an issue. I presume it's an issue with the Xbox One X?

We won't know how well engineered this thing until it hits the shelves, but I agree, such a company boxy design with so much power without any liquid cooling is...eyebrow-raising.

I always heard the US military shipped playstation 3s and 4s to remote bases as a cheap gearbox for essential hardware/engineering parts, back in the day plastation 1 and 2 only reported broken disc drives (loose/cheap frame or something) never overheating

Meanwhile overheating has been widely reported on discs for xbox, xbox 360, xbox one with a few rare reports on the one x

I live in a place where our summers are usually 34- 43 degrees (91.4 - 109.4 American temperatures) and I've never once experienced disks overheating or frying? on my xbox 360 or xbox one. Surely this has to be a quality control issue in certain batches. Because I would have thought our summers would fry my xbox completely. I also didn't have aircon until 3 years ago, and still don't really use it that often usually just a ceiling fan.

 

[Bubzeh]

I will be making my long awaited comeback from gaming hiatus by purchasing one of these badboys when it's released. Can't wait.

 

[0_o]

I live in a place where our summers are usually 34- 43 degrees (91.4 - 109.4 American temperatures) and I've never once experienced disks overheating or frying? on my xbox 360 or xbox one. Surely this has to be a quality control issue in certain batches. Because I would have thought our summers would fry my xbox completely. I also didn't have aircon until 3 years ago, and still don't really use it that often usually just a ceiling fan.

Depends on play duration though, if you weren't logging all-nighters or hitting 6 to 8 hr sessions on your days off

Streamers for example, complain they can't use discs

 

[Madmick]

Oh, achievement hunters will like this. Hadn't seen this so far in the thread or articles linked here:
https://www.techpowerup.com/262088/...ble-holiday-2020-and-senuas-saga-hellblade-ii

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I live in a place where our summers are usually 34- 43 degrees (91.4 - 109.4 American temperatures) and I've never once experienced disks overheating or frying? on my xbox 360 or xbox one. Surely this has to be a quality control issue in certain batches. Because I would have thought our summers would fry my xbox completely. I also didn't have aircon until 3 years ago, and still don't really use it that often usually just a ceiling fan.

Yeah, I never had an issue like that with any Xbox or Xbox 360, and we went through a bunch of Xbox 360's. Red ring of death? Yeah, problem. Overheating? Problem. Catching on fire spontaneously? Yeah, I personally lost my first X360 to that. Problem.

Melting discs? Discs overheating? Never a problem. Hadn't even heard about this one before, and obviously I frequent gaming forums.