Multiplat Official Witcher 4 Discussion (2027)

Blayt7hh said:
As I recall it they give you dialogue options both ways in that. Either way you choose she likes him for his kindness.

In the books she is definitely hooking up with a chick. I don’t remember her being with any guys but maybe I am forgetting that.
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She haven't met any men who would treat her nicely in the books, except for Geralt and Kahyr. And they obviously didn't view her as a partner. All others tried to kill, rape her, or use her as an incubator. No wonder she hooked up with a girl.
 
This is an excellent video. Highly recommended.



I shared the immediate reaction after the trailer was released of 'women & adults can't become witchers. This is breaking the lore' while keeping an open mind because of Ciri's elder blood.

This video does an excellent job of addressing both women not becoming witchers & Ciri becoming a witcher.

For me, now the issue is why Ciri chose to do the trials when there's absolutely no question that both Geralt & Yennefer, her surrogate parents, wouldn't only have disapproved they would have done damn near anything to prevent her from doing it.

Which leads me to theorize they either had no idea because Ciri didn't consult them with her decision, or it wasn't Ciri's decision. Though given her power level in W3 it's very questionable how anyone could 'force' her to do anything.

I trust CDPR with this for numerous reasons, so I'm interested in how they form this narrative.
 


This reminds me of a question I've occasionally asked myself, and I haven't formed an answer.

That '...I'd rather not choose one at all' line is iconic, but its not representative of Geralt as a character from what I understand.

Geralt is making moral choices between 'degrees of evil' especially in the games, as what he would say 'one evil over the other' but most would clearly see a good or bad choice.

For example... Whoreson Junior... who the hell left him alive in Witcher3? He was a psychopath serial murderer, was a threat to Ciri, and even when you track him down there's a dozen dead prostitutes littered around. The 'greater evil' clearly would be letting him live to commit more murder, and it's quite ironic the idea of Geralt would spare him immediately after killing a dozen of his guards to get to Whoreson.

So I'm not a big fan of this tweet, implying Ciri is different... an perhaps better... than Geralt by saying she will always chose one evil over the other... when they are in fact the same in that respect.
 
GearSolidMetal said:


This reminds me of a question I've occasionally asked myself, and I haven't formed an answer.

That '...I'd rather not choose one at all' line is iconic, but its not representative of Geralt as a character from what I understand.

Geralt is making moral choices between 'degrees of evil' especially in the games, as what he would say 'one evil over the other' but most would clearly see a good or bad choice.

For example... Whoreson Junior... who the hell left him alive in Witcher3? He was a psychopath serial murderer, was a threat to Ciri, and even when you track him down there's a dozen dead prostitutes littered around. The 'greater evil' clearly would be letting him live to commit more murder, and it's quite ironic the idea of Geralt would spare him immediately after killing a dozen of his guards to get to Whoreson.

So I'm not a big fan of this tweet, implying Ciri is different... an perhaps better... than Geralt by saying she will always chose one evil over the other... when they are in fact the same in that respect.
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Totally agree with the bolded.

Another issue I had with Witcher 3's choices- I don't remember the precise details so bear with me:

I believe it is the questline where the King of Velen has you search for his wife- you find her and she is cursed by witches. These witches also happen to eat children. You set out on a quest to kill a being but when you run into that being it offers to free the children if you let that entity go. That was the choice I made, but apparently it was somehow the greater evil. The curse on the woman was eventually broken but she dies shortly after and the king of Velen hangs himself, but the children were freed.

The issue I had with that choice being the greater evil was that the king had done some shady shit for a long time- not saying he deserved to die but he definitely didn't deserve a happy ending at the cost of sacrificing innocent children.
 
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GearSolidMetal said:


This reminds me of a question I've occasionally asked myself, and I haven't formed an answer.

That '...I'd rather not choose one at all' line is iconic, but its not representative of Geralt as a character from what I understand.

Geralt is making moral choices between 'degrees of evil' especially in the games, as what he would say 'one evil over the other' but most would clearly see a good or bad choice.

For example... Whoreson Junior... who the hell left him alive in Witcher3? He was a psychopath serial murderer, was a threat to Ciri, and even when you track him down there's a dozen dead prostitutes littered around. The 'greater evil' clearly would be letting him live to commit more murder, and it's quite ironic the idea of Geralt would spare him immediately after killing a dozen of his guards to get to Whoreson.

So I'm not a big fan of this tweet, implying Ciri is different... an perhaps better... than Geralt by saying she will always chose one evil over the other... when they are in fact the same in that respect.
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That is the bitter irony of Geralt's life, he would rather not choose between evils at all, but is forced to do so time and time again. It's in the books and the games both.
 
mixmastermo said:
Totally agree with the bolded.

Another issue I had with Witcher 3's choices- I don't remember the precise details so bear with me:

I believe it is the questline where the King of Velen has you search for his wife- you find her and she is cursed by witches. These witches also happen to eat children. You set out on a quest to kill a being but when you run into that being it offers to free the children if you let that entity go. That was the choice I made, but apparently it was somehow the greater evil. The curse on the woman was eventually broken but she dies shortly after and the king of Velen hangs himself, but the children were freed.

The issue I had with that choice being the greater evil was that the king had done some shady shit for a long time- not saying he deserved to die but he definitely didn't deserve a happy ending at the cost of sacrificing innocent children.
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You basically described the main issue I have with many of the choices in Witcher3, you don't have any idea of the consequences beforehand.

One of the main reasons I immediately started a NewGame+ after my first playthrough was because I got the 'bad' ending with Ciri & Geralt 'dying.' There's five choices in the game that decides the ending and if you choose the 'wrong' choice in three of them apparently that means Ciri chooses to not to reunite with Geralt after stopping the white Frost.

Off the top of my head, one is choosing to get in a snowball fight with Ciri after the funeral of Vesimir. It's not even clear before the choice is made it leads to a snowball fight.

The next is choosing to help Ciri with her conversation with The Lodge or allowing her to handle it herself. The fact is Ciri hasn't been around the Lodge much in the past several years and this is the equivalent of a lawyer allowing his client to be interrogated by detectives without his presence.

The third was messing up Avaloc's laboratory.
Once again, this isn't transparently communicated before the choice itself, so being destructive after getting emotional is pointless.

I think there's two more but I can only remember one, and thats choosing to company Ciri to visit a grave after the laboratory. Everyone does this because its the most decent thing to do.

So IMHO, these are horrible decisions that decide the ending to the game, that somehow decide Ciri's connection to Geralt and if she becomes a witcher, empress, or if she dies (some believe she just goes her own way and doesn't bother to meet up with those who love her).

It's my biggest narrative gripe about Witcher3, far worse than the final act before the finale seems to be a mess.
 
ssBaldy said:
That is the bitter irony of Geralt's life, he would rather not choose between evils at all, but is forced to do so time and time again. It's in the books and the games both.
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But he makes choices all the time.
Some would say he chooses between evils.
And in some cases choosing to do nothing is an evil.
'Evil triumphs when good men choose to do nothing.'

Even in the Witcher3 trailer when he says the '...I'd rather not choose one at all' it was while he was watching soldiers preparing to lynch a woman. No one can make the argument saving the woman and killing the soldiers was the 'lesser evil' because it was not an evil at all.
 
I watched the Witcher4 trailer again on my 65", rather than a suppressed clip from twitter on my phone, and I noticed a few things -

*For those who don't like Ciri's new voiceactress the trailer doesn't give her the opportunity to display the full range of her voice. Ciri is either in intense disgust or in distress throughout.

*The long chain wrapped around Ciri's forearm she uses against the monster, with Igni (fire), has the potential to be useful in gameplay situations if gets to the final game. Though in many situations these aren't playtested well and eventually cut. Who wouldn't want Ciri to throw out a 'Get Over Here!'?

*The trailer was made in-engine with a prototype Nvidia card, and it looked amazing at 30FPS... actually too amazing.
So don't get your hopes up about any chances it will actually look anything close to that good at 60FPS on PC, and there's going to have to be massive compromises for it to play on SeriesX & PS5 at 60FPS.

I have a feeling when Witcher4 is released there will be major speculation of the next generation of consoles, if not actually being announced. Witcher4 will be a benchmark/tech-demo to compare the current generation console performance to the next generation performance.
 
GearSolidMetal said:
I believe the OG voice actress was in her mid-to-late 40s when she recorded her lines for Witcher3 11 to 12 years ago, so its very possible she can't do the exact voice anymore.

That said, they could have found a voice actress who could emulate the the original actress. Shouldn't have been very hard.

Instead... it looks like they're going with the 'girl boss' route with Ciri's voice and character, if that trailer is any indication.

"There are no gods here. Only monsters."
Ciri says this while surrounded by men.
{<hhh]
Was hoping they'd be a bit more subtle.
Hopefully there'll be equal representation amongst male/female enemies we have to kill, both human and monster.


I bet traditional Witcher fans are pissed that Ciri is drinking potions. According to the established Witcher lore, only Witchers who have gone through the 'trial of the grasses' are able to consume potions and get temporary positive effects, although in large amounts they become toxic, and for normal humans they're completely poisonous. An almost guaranteed death sentence.

Short explanation for 'Trial of the Grasses' from the Nightmare Of The Wolf movie now on Netflix (I recommend watching the movie in full).


A more detailed explanation -


Ciri is a regular human and her power in Witcher3 and the books is magical. She didn't display any of the magical powers in that trailer although they would have been far more effective against that monster (namely teleportation).

I believe the a few sorceress of 'The Lodge' mentioned Ciri was only an adolescent in terms of the development of her power, and she was already more powerful than any of them, and far more powerful than any witcher...including Geralt.

So apparently she, as an adult woman voluntarily went through the 'trial of the grasses' (which is basically the worst torture imaginable) and apparently removed her magical power and replace them with traditional Witcher power (a giant demotion) and is able to drink potions.
And the reason why Witcher schools in the lore refused female students is because around one out of every four male students survives the trials, and girls wouldn't stand a chance.

It would be of no surprise to me if CDPR wants to change that, because of sexism.

So it seems like CDPR is just doing the very simplistic strategy of removing Geralt & putting in Ciri... with the same old traditional Witcher powers and what looks to be the exact same style and color of armor as Geralt's at the beginning of Witcher3 and the trailers.

Was hoping they would have been smarter about this.


By the way, for those who have played Witcher3 but not the Blood&Wine expansion if Ciri becomes a witcher at the end of the main game and you don't romance Yennefer or Triss, at the end of the expansion there's an appearance of Ciri... who looks like she's been an active Witcher between the events of the main game and end of the expansion.



No mention of needing any witcher trials to become an active Witcher. No potions, and magic seems to be doing its thing to accept contracts, kill monsters, and accepting money.


I've been under no illusions that a sequel to Witcher3 would be anywhere as good as what I consider to be the best game of the last 15 years.
So I was 'meh' before this trailer and I'm 'meh' about it now.

Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions, but this is just my first impressions based just off the trailer, and that's where the arrows are pointing to
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Dude it's fucking Ciri. She is not your normal run of the mill girl. She's a magical fucker who goes for to toe with the wild hunt, I don't think it's a big stretch for her character to be able to do the trial of the grasses if whiny Lambert can do it.
 
GearSolidMetal said:
This is an excellent video. Highly recommended.



I shared the immediate reaction after the trailer was released of 'women & adults can't become witchers. This is breaking the lore' while keeping an open mind because of Ciri's elder blood.

This video does an excellent job of addressing both women not becoming witchers & Ciri becoming a witcher.

For me, now the issue is why Ciri chose to do the trials when there's absolutely no question that both Geralt & Yennefer, her surrogate parents, wouldn't only have disapproved they would have done damn near anything to prevent her from doing it.

Which leads me to theorize they either had no idea because Ciri didn't consult them with her decision, or it wasn't Ciri's decision. Though given her power level in W3 it's very questionable how anyone could 'force' her to do anything.

I trust CDPR with this for numerous reasons, so I'm interested in how they form this narrative.
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My working theory is that no school would do it so she creates the school of the lynx and just does it herself.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Dude it's fucking Ciri. She is not your normal run of the mill girl. She's a magical fucker who goes for to toe with the wild hunt, I don't think it's a big stretch for her character to be able to do the trial of the grasses if whiny Lambert can do it.
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Yeah its fucking Ciri, but just because she has magic blood and uncontrolled power multiple times more powerful than any known sorceress isn't a license for her to be able to do absolutely anything with ease.

The trials of the grasses is no joke. It kills seven out of ten boys, and there's probably a reason why adults don't do it, especially women.

And if you can't tell with Yen's sidestory, being able to reproduce is important for women. The trials of the grasses renders the witchers infertile. That's besides the fact there's prophesies related to Ciri's offspring.

Hellowhosthat said:
My working theory is that no school would do it so she creates the school of the lynx and just does it herself.
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I very much doubt it's going to be that simple.

It'd be very 'girl-bossy.'
"No women have passed the trials? Well I'll be the first one."
{<diva}
 
GearSolidMetal said:
But he makes choices all the time.
Some would say he chooses between evils.
And in some cases choosing to do nothing is an evil.
'Evil triumphs when good men choose to do nothing.'

Even in the Witcher3 trailer when he says the '...I'd rather not choose one at all' it was while he was watching soldiers preparing to lynch a woman. No one can make the argument saving the woman and killing the soldiers was the 'lesser evil' because it was not an evil at all.
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"I'd rather not choose at all" = "I would prefer to be chilling in Tussent drinking wine, but here we are, Vesemir, two old obsolete mutants in no man's land in a middle of a war".
He does not hesitate to make a choice, but it is not a situation he wants to be in at all.
Geralt wants to kill monsters, be paid honestly for it, and not be a cunt himself, yet he is constantly dragged in politics, intrigues, and common people being shitty to each other.
Also please mind that he is not a pholosopher but a simple man trained in swordsmanship much more than in being fancy with words. It's fitting if his moral rules are imperfect in their form.
 
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