Official War Room Awards 2019

[Falsedawn]

Gonna have to question your melanin content with those flat asses

3 has some cake.

The other two, mehhhhhhh

 

[Islam Imamate]

Put it like this, Hungary was controlled by the Ottomans for a long time, and before them, the Mongolians through you know who. They are a landlocked country that have acted as a shield for Europe against hordes of enemies since the dawn of time.

Let me put it like this, I've probably derailed this thread enough and if I keep going it'll devolve into another fugee thread.

 

[irish_thug]

I should drink less.

Not on my watch you wont.

 

[irish_thug]

Reported for enabling binging.

Yeah. Fuck enablers. I'm for all out encouraging.

 

[Gandhi]

Notice the hypocrisy too. He says refugees should make their claims in the first safe country they reach and that is often the standard. But the thing is Hungary was just that for thousands of refugees and yet they dumped them onto Germany. To be fair the burden on Hungary and Austria was truly severe and perhaps not sustainable. But then he like others blames Merkel for taking the burden off of the Mickey Mouse countries like Hungary. So if Merkel had forced Hungary to process all the refugees they were legally obligated to she would be the bad guy for refusing to alleviate the burden but then when she does alleviate the burden she gets blamed for "inviting the refugees"(a claim that has little fact value despite being endlessly repeated by propagandists). Basically damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Tbh I think the countries responsible for the mess should take the refugees and that's the countries that participated in the invasion of Iraq; the US, the UK, Poland, and Australia. But the EU nations still agreed to certain obligations when it comes to refugees and when many neglected those right wingers like him end up putting the blame on Merkel for trying to make the best of a terrible situation.

@Bald1 since he should get a a chance to defend his position here.

I’ll just add after skimming to one point. The Idea that immigrants should be held to a higher standard because the are guests and biting the hand that feeds in redonkulous on a 100 levels.

For starters it smacks of collective punishment and just throws human nature to the wind to justify some Xenophobic over reaction to a non problem. And if we are going down the collective guilt road we could discuss accepting responsibility for world’s mess. I am not saying that we should do that, but if immigrants are not making a crime problem worse, saying “well they are guests they should be perfect” is just setting up an impossible standard ahead of time to justify a preconceived conclusion. It’s bullshit.

 

[Gandhi]

Hell, I just realized the legit one was probably Thurisaz or whatever his name was. If so then, yeah, that was a dick reply, but, well, fuck him. The guy was borderline evil.

QFT and BFT

 

[Bald1]

@Bald1 since he should get a a chance to defend his position here.

I’ll just add after skimming to one point. The Idea that immigrants should be held to a higher standard because the are guests and biting the hand that feeds in redonkulous on a 100 levels.

For starters it smacks of collective punishment and just throws human nature to the wind to justify some Xenophobic over reaction to a non problem. And if we are going down the collective guilt road we could discuss accepting responsibility for world’s mess. I am not saying that we should do that, but if immigrants are not making a crime problem worse, saying “well they are guests they should be perfect” is just setting up an impossible standard ahead of time to justify a preconceived conclusion. It’s bullshit.

Which position?

That newcomers should be held to a high standard? Yes, if you can't behave for a probationary period then why should a country accept you once you've proven yourself to be a liability. Cologne, new years eve mass rapes say hello.

If this is bullshit then we have an irreconcilable difference of opinion. This is coming from a 1st generation Canadian.

That Hungary was the first safe stop? That's completely false and they processed more asylum applications than any other country other than Sweden.

That they dumped them into Germany? False. There's unrestricted movement within the Schengen zone and migrants don't want to stay where there are no benefits to be had.



That I'm a xenophobic scumbag? Every Euro on this board will tell you they have a migrant issue there. Sweede used to call me much the same until he started working in social services and saw first hand the clash of incompatible cultures. A clash I heard first hand from dozens of people in Szeged Hungary where I was born and a city just 20km from the Serbian border where hundreds of thousands of migrants crossed. Hell, ask @Prutfis or @JDragon , two guys who think Hungary is a drag on the EU while also admitting migrants are overrepresented in crime per capita.

And speaking of Hungary, @Kafir-kun and I had fruitful conversations on this topic for years. Then once he realized I was born there he went on a ridiculous crusade to prove how it's a repressive shithole. Yeah, the country that has gay pride parades, has hosted Mr Gay EU, has legislation demanding equal rights for minorities, nude beaches, is a household matriarchal society is inferior to Islamic societies? Laughable.

There are 3 types of people who disagree with the above : the dishonest, the misinformed or the ideologically driven.

I typed this up between jobs today so might have missed some things. I'll revisit it when the opportunity presents itself.

- Xenophobic, racist scumbag

 

[Pseudo Sane]

Not on my watch you wont.

 

[Islam Imamate]

That Hungary was the first safe stop? That's completely false and they processed more asylum applications than any other country other than Sweden.

For many of the migrants it was the first safe stop in the EU. Italy and Greece were two other such countries but for different routes.

That they dumped them into Germany? False. There's unrestricted movement within the Schengen zone and migrants don't want to stay where there are no benefits to be had.

False, Hungary had the duty to process the migrants but once they started to face the pressure after migrants started to pile up at the Budapest train station a group of migrants marched towards the Austrian border. Hungary informed Austria and Merkel of this and once Merkel saw the pressure she okayed the first batch of migrants to come to Germany as she saw it wasn't feasible to let the burden fall on Hungary and Austria. Sleazy Hungarians then blamed Merkel for "inviting migrants"

And speaking of Hungary, @Kafir-kun and I had fruitful conversations on this topic for years. Then once he realized I was born there he went on a ridiculous crusade to prove how it's a repressive shithole. Yeah, the country that has gay pride parades, has hosted Mr Gay EU, has legislation demanding equal rights for minorities, nude beaches, is a household matriarchal society is inferior to Islamic societies? Laughable.

I am trolling when I say that but only half. Its not that bad but neither are many Islamic countries by that standard and compared to the top tier EU countries Hungary ain't shit.

You're the one who started playing identity politics first by always bringing up my religion so I fired back but that was my mistake, one shouldn't lower oneself to that point merely because the opposition has. My bad.

 

[Islam Imamate]

QFT and BFT

I thought he was banned a while ago? One of the only guys I have on ignore.

 

[Gandhi]

Which position?

That newcomers should be held to a high standard? Yes, if you can't behave for a probationary period then why should a country accept you once you've proven yourself to be a liability. Cologne, new years eve mass rapes say hello.

If this is bullshit then we have an irreconcilable difference of opinion. This is coming from a 1st generation Canadian.

That Hungary was the first safe stop? That's completely false and they processed more asylum applications than any other country other than Sweden.

That they dumped them into Germany? False. There's unrestricted movement within the Schengen zone and migrants don't want to stay where there are no benefits to be had.



That I'm a xenophobic scumbag? Every Euro on this board will tell you they have a migrant issue there. Sweede used to call me much the same until he started working in social services and saw first hand the clash of incompatible cultures. A clash I heard first hand from dozens of people in Szeged Hungary where I was born and a city just 20km from the Serbian border where hundreds of thousands of migrants crossed. Hell, ask @Prutfis or @JDragon , two guys who think Hungary is a drag on the EU while also admitting migrants are overrepresented in crime per capita.

And speaking of Hungary, @Kafir-kun and I had fruitful conversations on this topic for years. Then once he realized I was born there he went on a ridiculous crusade to prove how it's a repressive shithole. Yeah, the country that has gay pride parades, has hosted Mr Gay EU, has legislation demanding equal rights for minorities, nude beaches, is a household matriarchal society is inferior to Islamic societies? Laughable.

There are 3 types of people who disagree with the above : the dishonest, the misinformed or the ideologically driven.

I typed this up between jobs today so might have missed some things. I'll revisit it when the opportunity presents itself.

- Xenophobic, racist scumbag

LULZ Dude stop lactating (i kid), I have said we don’t agree on some/lotsa stuff but I think you are a good dude. And I stand by that. Never called you a racist scumbag, I expressed my view on the logical extension of your position being xenophobic. The above is a perfect example, mass rapes or whatever other event you want to cherry pick out to support your stance is just a lame way of ducking the requirements for a argument based on objective data and empirical thought. If a certain group is not acting any worse than the mean, then there is no basis to ascribe any malice to the group. Saying immigrant felons once convicted should be deported, ok. Saying single male 20 unemployed somethings being imported on mass from jihadi hotspots is concerning, ok, I get that. But before we condemn entire group let’s at least take a hard look at the data rather hide behind neat little catches like “well they should be on best behavior”.

 

[SBJJ]

Why would immigrants not be held to a higher standard? Every immigrant I have ever known in the US was always scared that if they ran afoul of the law they might be deported. Is that not a good thing?

Seems some posters have broadened racist/xenophobia definition to anyone that is not on board with this weird new immigration narrative being pushed by some

 

[Deleted member 484047]

I should drink less.

Blasphemy!

 

[Fawlty]

One thing has been consistent throughout America's history. Immigrants have been "held to a higher standard" and discriminated against until they scratched out a place for themselves. Bigots would be wise to focus their argument on that dynamic, but it turns out that bigots are not wise.

It's almost worth turning a right wing gimmick just to raise the fucking bar for these people. They'd make me their king in a week.

 

[Sketch]

One thing has been consistent throughout America's history. Immigrants have been "held to a higher standard" and discriminated against until they scratched out a place for themselves. Bigots would be wise to focus their argument on that dynamic, but it turns out that bigots are not wise.

It's almost worth turning a right wing gimmick just to raise the fucking bar for these people. They'd make me their king in a week.

Buy any cool donuts lately?

 

[Gandhi]

One thing has been consistent throughout America's history. Immigrants have been "held to a higher standard" and discriminated against until they scratched out a place for themselves. Bigots would be wise to focus their argument on that dynamic, but it turns out that bigots are not wise.

It's almost worth turning a right wing gimmick just to raise the fucking bar for these people. They'd make me their king in a week.

And to be clear holding individuals to any standard like kicking out immigrant criminals =\= drawing inferences about the impact of group behavior based on selective anecdotes.

 

[Bald1]

For many of the migrants it was the first safe stop in the EU. Italy and Greece were two other such countries but for different routes.

False, Hungary had the duty to process the migrants but once they started to face the pressure after migrants started to pile up at the Budapest train station a group of migrants marched towards the Austrian border. Hungary informed Austria and Merkel of this and once Merkel saw the pressure she okayed the first batch of migrants to come to Germany as she saw it wasn't feasible to let the burden fall on Hungary and Austria. Sleazy Hungarians then blamed Merkel for "inviting migrants"

I am trolling when I say that but only half. Its not that bad but neither are many Islamic countries by that standard and compared to the top tier EU countries Hungary ain't shit.

You're the one who started playing identity politics first by always bringing up my religion so I fired back but that was my mistake, one shouldn't lower oneself to that point merely because the opposition has. My bad.

That's called asylum shopping. The first safe country isn't located in the EU.

Hungary struggled to process the claims and basically threw in the towel. Nevermind the migrants didn't want to stay there. Germany is still, to this day, slogging through their asylum applications and they had fewer per capita in 2015. Meanwhile, maintaining EU border security, as they're obligated to do has cost them over 800 million Euros up to date. Never a mention of that.

Compared to the top EU countries the vast, vast majority of countries ain't shit.

I started playing identity politics? I called you out on your shit about my place of birth and you manned up and apologized. Kudos. I've also stepped in when you were getting swarmed about your religion and stuck up for you. I'm game for sharing the contents of the resulting PM if you are. I've also said numerous times that FGM and honour killings aren't a Muslim thing. Or that Muslims are better than Islam.

I took one cheap shot at you by mixing your religion into our conversations. And, as you did with me I will now apologize for it. We used to get along much better and I'm not innocent in the souring of our back and forth. Sorry dude. The difference? You keep trying to get a rise out of me about where I was born while other than that one instance I don't remember messing with you. But how's this? It's pretty hard to discuss Islam and Hungary without mentioning Muslims or Hungarians.

So yeah, ground we've covered ad nauseum over the last 4+ years.

 

[Bald1]

LULZ Dude stop lactating (i kid), I have said we don’t agree on some/lotsa stuff but I think you are a good dude. And I stand by that. Never called you a racist scumbag, I expressed my view on the logical extension of your position being xenophobic. The above is a perfect example, mass rapes or whatever other event you want to cherry pick out to support your stance is just a lame way of ducking the requirements for a argument based on objective data and empirical thought. If a certain group is not acting any worse than the mean, then there is no basis to ascribe any malice to the group. Saying immigrant felons once convicted should be deported, ok. Saying single male 20 unemployed somethings being imported on mass from jihadi hotspots is concerning, ok, I get that. But before we condemn entire group let’s at least take a hard look at the data rather hide behind neat little catches like “well they should be on best behavior”.

Not lactating, but could use some milking. Wasn't aimed at you at all. We're totally good. It's like my title of "War Room Can" aimed at the nipple head who labelled us as such.

I'm not condemning a whole group. And to me "be on your best behavior" is not a right wing talking point but rather personal experience. From spending 6 months in a refugee/immigrant camp in Austria while undergoing the immigration process, to many years in Canada a few things were drilled into me. We must be on our best behavior. We must learn the language. We must prove ourselves to be worthy of the hospitality and generosity given us by our hosts. These things are basic. There were no stories of immigrants burning down camps for the lack of Nutella. No breaking into semi trucks to try and stow away. No mass rapes on New year's Eves. No sexual emergencies. There are documented stories of migrants saying we don't have to work, we're Merkel's guests. And to me that's craziness. Keep in mind I'm not even mentioning first hand accounts told to me as those can't be verified while the above have been discussed here along with media verification.

And no, it's not the majority acting like assholes. But if the stats come close to approaching the levels of citizens in the host country to me that shows ingratitude and I find that outrageous. The issue is one of accessibility and uncontrolled migration lacking proper vetting. How's this? I'm on record here saying I've never met a Nigerian I don't like. Meanwhile, in Sweden they have a problem with a Nigerian gang called Black Axe. The European situation isn't like the one in North America.

Anyways, I've been through this over, and over, and over again and this isn't the place for it. Just wanted to flesh out my position to you. Cheers!

 

[Islam Imamate]

I started playing identity politics? I called you out on your shit about my place of birth and you manned up and apologized. Kudos. I've also stepped in when you were getting swarmed about your religion and stuck up for you. I'm game for sharing the contents of the resulting PM if you are. I've also said numerous times that FGM and honour killings aren't a Muslim thing. Or that Muslims are better than Islam.

I took one cheap shot at you by mixing your religion into our conversations. And, as you did with me I will now apologize for it. We used to get along much better and I'm not innocent in the souring of our back and forth. Sorry dude. The difference? You keep trying to get a rise out of me about where I was born while other than that one instance I don't remember messing with you. But how's this? It's pretty hard to discuss Islam and Hungary without mentioning Muslims or Hungarians.

So yeah, ground we've covered ad nauseum over the last 4+ years.

Oh definitely and that's despite claiming to care more about "ideas over identity"

When you boil a person's positions down to their identity instead of addressing their points that's playing identity politics. When you play that game despite claiming to do the opposite don't be surprised when people don't take you very seriously or if they decide to play the same game. Like I said, I shouldn't have stooped to that level but I have already apologized for that.

Cheers.

 

[Bald1]

Oh definitely and that's despite claiming to care more about "ideas over identity"

When you boil a person's positions down to their identity instead of addressing their points that's playing identity politics. When you play that game despite claiming to do the opposite don't be surprised when people don't take you very seriously or if they decide to play the same game. Like I said, I shouldn't have stooped to that level but I have already apologized for that.

Cheers.

Right-o. So no examples nor approval to disclose contents of PMs.