Elections Official Sherdawg Presidential debate round 1 PbP

[Deleted member 577981]

Maybe take a step back here and realize that not everything here is meant to become a pissing contest dude. I am trying to reach out to folks here. You thumbed your nose at me. I don't have *thin skin but your lack of engagement with someone 95% of the way across the bridge deserves a bit more consideration than to be tossed into the fire.

You will find that remaining 5% will be on your tab, not mine

I am so perfectly calm and every time you respond I feel like you might be on drugs... I'm genuinely taken aback by every response you give to me as if you're responding to someone else.

I think you might want to take a step back yourself and calm down and maybe go read my position in this thread and then realize that most of what you said trying to correct me was in concert with what I've been saying.....

Everything you're saying feels completely out of left field and I just can't relate to it.

I feel as if I'm talking to someone who's ranting disproportionately.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Have you ever had a family member in the early stages of dementia? I hope you haven't but showing a video of him being sharp at certain points kinda supports the argument.
Trump as a political candidate aside, running Biden again is elder abuse. His wife is literally holding him together at points in the public eye. He should be chilling somewhere watching his grandkids run around in the back yard, not leading a country. They are going to need to basically have a contingency plan in place that says he can't actually make any decisions if he is reelected. Trump on the other hand is a little insane, but he is still capbale of making an informed(if poor) decision based on his actual own faculities.

I have, yes, and even the Biden in the debate, the worst we've seen him, was not there.

I don't agree at all with the assertion that Biden can't make decisions, but I will say that it is certain that he'll make much better decisions than a Trump administration would (and than the previous one did).

 

[cottagecheesefan]

He rested for a week at Camp David, lol
First they said he had a bad cold. Yet after the debate he was at Waffle House shaking hands with people eating.

Plus he was already back before going to camp david. 12 days.



another reporter wants to know why KJP first blamed one thing then another, and didn't know about jet lag the day before

 

[Jacket time]

Plus he was already back before going to camp david. 12 days.

Yep

 

[Jack V Savage]

I am so perfectly calm and every time you respond I feel like you might be on drugs... I'm genuinely taken aback by every response you give to me as if you're responding to someone else.

I think you might want to take a step back yourself and calm down and maybe go read my position in this thread and then realize that most of what you said trying to correct me was in concert with what I've been saying.....

Everything you're saying feels completely out of left field and I just can't relate to it.

I feel as if I'm talking to someone who's ranting disproportionately.

You're talking to someone I ignore, but has it ever occurred to you to maybe try communicating in a respectful, decent way to people? There are some it doesn't make a difference with, but I find it generally leads to better results.

 

[SKYNET]

I am so perfectly calm and every time you respond I feel like you might be on drugs... I'm genuinely taken aback by every response you give to me as if you're responding to someone else.

I think you might want to take a step back yourself and calm down and maybe go read my position in this thread and then realize that most of what you said trying to correct me was in concert with what I've been saying.....

Everything you're saying feels completely out of left field and I just can't relate to it.

I feel as if I'm talking to someone who's ranting disproportionately.

Smug

I am so perfectly calm and every time you respond I feel like you might be on drugs... I'm genuinely taken aback by every response you give to me as if you're responding to someone else.

I think you might want to take a step back yourself and calm down and maybe go read my position in this thread and then realize that most of what you said trying to correct me was in concert with what I've been saying.....

Everything you're saying feels completely out of left field and I just can't relate to it.

I feel as if I'm talking to someone who's ranting disproportionately.

Again, lack of engagement. Non reply replies. That last 5% will be on your tab my friend

 

[maximus__]

I have, yes, and even the Biden in the debate, the worst we've seen him, was not there.

I don't agree at all with the assertion that Biden can't make decisions, but I will say that it is certain that he'll make much better decisions than a Trump administration would (and than the previous one did).

I don't think that was the worst we have seen him personally, just speaking wise. My main concern is all the little times off to the side you see him vacantly staring at his wife and other people. He looks to me like elderly dementia patients when they go out wandering and get found by people in places they used to frequent. He can still talk, move and put up the pretence that he is there, but he is starting to work harder and harder each time to hold it together. He will still occasionally show he is alright, but then we get moments like the debate etc.

I am not American and I am an outsider looking in, but if you genuinely believe that head to head Biden is more capable of making a decision, then I personally believe you are fully biased by your political views. I don't think either are suitable to be the President of America, but if we ignore all politics, Trump is the only one cognitively capable of doing the role IMO. Both parties should be ashamed for letting this happen.

 

[SKYNET]

You're talking to someone I ignore,

You're the sophisticated sophist when you can't handle the heat you leave the kitchen.

 

[Rob Battisti]

even according to the poll you're citing it seems most Dems do think he's capable of doing the job.

When the bar is so low that the acceptance that 59% of someone’s own party believe the president has the mental capacity to do the job you know we’re F’d.

I don’t think at any time in our history before 2016 would anyone of really even questioned the president having the mental capacity to do the job.

It’s not that they agree with him, or support him or think he’s doing a good job — just that he has the mental capacity to do the job. My goodness.

 

[mkess101]

Reagan had Alzheimer's in his 2nd term and GHWB was still able to win the subsequent election. It matters more now because we are inundated with social media and have cameras everywhere so it hurts electability a lot more but that's really the main concern with me as I don't think he actually has dementia or anything like that.

I'm sure lots of people are buying into the narrative that he's got dementia or whatever it is but even according to the poll you're citing it seems most Dems do think he's capable of doing the job. Concerns are fair but incredibly overblown and there's no real alternative at the moment so I don't really see any point in focusing so much on it in light of how uniquely unqualified the GOP candidate is. Think about it, if Mitt Romney or Joh McCain had every uttered the phrase "black jobs" that would've been the end of their campaign but the modern GOP is willing to follow Trump into hell if he asked them to. Punishing the GOP for going all in on Trump is important so I am happy to vote for Biden in light of that and Biden's successful track record.

You do you. I won't vote for either of them.

And let's keep in mind--this poll isn't approve/disapprove. It's literally "Does this person meet the bare minimum requirements cognitively to hold the office of POTUS". And 2 in 5 of HIS OWN PARTY say no he does not. To act as though that's not monumental is to be purposefully obtuse. You "may not think" he has dementia (I might disagree although I'd agree it's an unknown--I'm not claiming to be able to actually diagnose him from afar) but we're talking about the effing President. We shouldn't have to wonder at all if he does or not. If there was a real question about Reagan or any other candidate leading up to an election (I know it was after the election with Reagan but just as an example) it would be equally as concerning. The reality is that we should have an age maximum (IDK...65 at the time of the election maybe?) in addition to the 35 yr old minimum.

I cannot stand Trump but it's not a requirement that I delude myself and ignore very plain reality about Biden because of that. You shouldn't either.

 

[WhiteMousse]

I wouldn't be so confident that Biden wins but overall I agree.

I think if we can agree on one thing we can agree on others. And if we can do that, there's a great deal of hope for this world. I'm not being snide or sarcastic

 

[aerius]

Reagan had Alzheimer's in his 2nd term and GHWB was still able to win the subsequent election. It matters more now because we are inundated with social media and have cameras everywhere so it hurts electability a lot more but that's really the main concern with me as I don't think he actually has dementia or anything like that.

Reagan going into his 2nd term was still far more lucid and mentally sharp than either Biden or Trump.
He'd utterly embarrass both of them without even trying.

 

[maximus__]

The fact that not only his base but the centrist media judges him on an incredibly generous curve is a massive advantage. He can ramble on about "black jobs" and how Schumer is a Palestinian and everyone just shrugs and moves on. Biden has a senior moment like falling off a bike or slipping on a step and we get countless headlines and tweets.

Have you ever considered it's just the news you follow and the media you consume? I have seen both candidates getting smashed following that debate because I follow media from both sides.

 

[Islam Imamate]

When the bar is so low that the acceptance that 59% of someone’s own party believe the president has the mental capacity to do the job you know we’re F’d.

I don’t think at any time in our history before 2016 would anyone of really even questioned the president having the mental capacity to do the job.

I think a big part of the problem is that the average voter isn't really plugged into politics and tends to base their opinions a little too much off of campaigning and public appearances. I think if you take a general look at Biden's presidency he's done an amazing job especially given the thin margins he had in Congress. But again the average voter isn't following those things, they see he has some bad public appearance that seem to be age related and that's that.

On the other hand Trump is great with public appearances, in fact he's basically been campaigning non-stop since 2016. He's also judged on a curve where he can get away with saying things "black jobs" and no one cares.

You do you. I won't vote for either of them.

And let's keep in mind--this poll isn't approve/disapprove. It's literally "Does this person meet the bare minimum requirements cognitively to hold the office of POTUS". And 2 in 5 of HIS OWN PARTY say no he does not. To act as though that's not monumental is to be purposefully obtuse. You "may not think" he has dementia (I might disagree although I'd agree it's an unknown--I'm not claiming to be able to actually diagnose him from afar) but we're talking about the effing President. We shouldn't have to wonder at all if he does or not. If there was a real question about Reagan or any other candidate leading up to an election (I know it was after the election with Reagan but just as an example) it would be equally as concerning. The reality is that we should have an age maximum (IDK...65 at the time of the election maybe?) in addition to the 35 yr old minimum.

I cannot stand Trump but it's not a requirement that I delude myself and ignore very plain reality about Biden because of that. You shouldn't either.

You think I'm deluding myself because I disagree? Maybe I just don't agree that his public appearances are that important? I love politics but I pretty much never watch the debates or speeches. I pay attention to what gets done in office and on that front he seems fine.

There are criticisms of Biden's presidency that I've had like his willingness to pass protectionist policies and his weakness in regards to Israel but neither seem age related and the other candidate is much worse on both those issues.

I think if we can agree on one thing we can agree on others. And if we can do that, there's a great deal of hope for this world. I'm not being snide or sarcastic

Tbh I hope you prove me wrong and Biden wins in a landslide.

Reagan going into his 2nd term was still far more lucid and mentally sharp than either Biden or Trump.
He'd utterly embarrass both of them without even trying.

Maybe but Biden was never good at public appearances so Reagan probably would've beat even a young Biden.

Have you ever considered it's just the news you follow and the media you consume? I have seen both candidates getting smashed following that debate because I follow media from both sides.

I'm talking about mainstream media like NYT so I don't think its the result of some echo chamber if that's what you're implying.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I don't think that was the worst we have seen him personally, just speaking wise. My main concern is all the little times off to the side you see him vacantly staring at his wife and other people. He looks to me like elderly dementia patients when they go out wandering and get found by people in places they used to frequent. He can still talk, move and put up the pretence that he is there, but he is starting to work harder and harder each time to hold it together. He will still occasionally show he is alright, but then we get moments like the debate etc.

I am not American and I am an outsider looking in, but if you genuinely believe that head to head Biden is more capable of making a decision, then I personally believe you are fully biased by your political views. I don't think either are suitable to be the President of America, but if we ignore all politics, Trump is the only one cognitively capable of doing the role IMO. Both parties should be ashamed for letting this happen.

I would submit that if you really don't think that anyone can disagree with your preferred political messaging without being "fully biased," you should do a bit more self-reflection, and you probably aren't going to be able to profit from discussion until you do.

And little clips of him looking bored are not really evidence of anything. It's kind of remarkable to me that you think they are.

 

[king hippo]

Newsom is very strange to me, as a non-american.
like, can't people tell how fake he is? yeah yeah al candidates are fake. but this guy is like an american Trudeau.

newsome literally is the american trudeau expect he's + 100% charisma and - 100% soy cuck. they both have the same hard left socialist/communist policies that cause endless homelessness, drug use, crime, inflation, and despair.

 

[mkess101]

I don't think that was the worst we have seen him personally, just speaking wise. My main concern is all the little times off to the side you see him vacantly staring at his wife and other people. He looks to me like elderly dementia patients when they go out wandering and get found by people in places they used to frequent. He can still talk, move and put up the pretence that he is there, but he is starting to work harder and harder each time to hold it together. He will still occasionally show he is alright, but then we get moments like the debate etc.

I am not American and I am an outsider looking in, but if you genuinely believe that head to head Biden is more capable of making a decision, then I personally believe you are fully biased by your political views. I don't think either are suitable to be the President of America, but if we ignore all politics, Trump is the only one cognitively capable of doing the role IMO. Both parties should be ashamed for letting this happen.

People who claim that Biden staring into space with his mouth hanging open does NOT resemble

I don't think that was the worst we have seen him personally, just speaking wise. My main concern is all the little times off to the side you see him vacantly staring at his wife and other people. He looks to me like elderly dementia patients when they go out wandering and get found by people in places they used to frequent. He can still talk, move and put up the pretence that he is there, but he is starting to work harder and harder each time to hold it together. He will still occasionally show he is alright, but then we get moments like the debate etc.

I am not American and I am an outsider looking in, but if you genuinely believe that head to head Biden is more capable of making a decision, then I personally believe you are fully biased by your political views. I don't think either are suitable to be the President of America, but if we ignore all politics, Trump is the only one cognitively capable of doing the role IMO. Both parties should be ashamed for letting this happen.

I'll say this right now:

Those here saying that Joe staring off into space with his mouth hanging open doesn't resemble those with dementia they've interacted with either:

1. Haven't actually interacted with people who have dementia or

2. Are lying about not seeing that it's a red flag and looks just like what dementia patients sometimes look like.

That's not to say he absolutely, 100% has dementia and I can diagnose from here. People develop weird tics, etc and this could just be a coincidence that his mimics one of the telltale signs of dementia. But saying you've been around those with dementia but he doesn't seem like he has the signs is first rate BULLSHIT.

 

[maximus__]

I think a big part of the problem is that the average voter isn't really plugged into politics and tends to base their opinions a little too much off of campaigning and public appearances. I think if you take a general look at Biden's presidency he's done an amazing job especially given the thin margins he had in Congress. But again the average voter isn't following those things, they see he has some bad public appearance that seem to be age related and that's that.

On the other hand Trump is great with public appearances, in fact he's basically been campaigning non-stop since 2016. He's also judged on a curve where he can get away with saying things "black jobs" and no one cares.

You think I'm deluding myself because I disagree? Maybe I just don't agree that his public appearances are that important? I love politics but I pretty much never watch the debates or speeches. I pay attention to what gets done in office and on that front he seems fine.

There are criticisms of Biden's presidency that I've had like his willingness to pass protectionist policies and his weakness in regards to Israel but neither seem age related and the other candidate is much worse on both those issues.

Tbh I hope you prove me wrong and Biden wins in a landslide.

Maybe but Biden was never good at public appearances so Reagan probably would've beat even a young Biden.

I'm talking about mainstream media like NYT so I don't think its the result of some echo chamber if that's what you're implying.

I would argue it's good they are criticising Biden finally. Let's be honest, they completely ignored his issues last campaign out of fear of a Trump reelection.
It's good to see them actually being critical of him for a change, that's their job for both candidates.

I see plenty of Mainstream news sources being critical of both because I am outside the US. Don't stress the whole world thinks both political candidates are absolute trash and equally so.

 

[mkess101]

I think a big part of the problem is that the average voter isn't really plugged into politics and tends to base their opinions a little too much off of campaigning and public appearances. I think if you take a general look at Biden's presidency he's done an amazing job especially given the thin margins he had in Congress. But again the average voter isn't following those things, they see he has some bad public appearance that seem to be age related and that's that.

On the other hand Trump is great with public appearances, in fact he's basically been campaigning non-stop since 2016. He's also judged on a curve where he can get away with saying things "black jobs" and no one cares.

You think I'm deluding myself because I disagree? Maybe I just don't agree that his public appearances are that important? I love politics but I pretty much never watch the debates or speeches. I pay attention to what gets done in office and on that front he seems fine.

There are criticisms of Biden's presidency that I've had like his willingness to pass protectionist policies and his weakness in regards to Israel but neither seem age related and the other candidate is much worse on both those issues.

Tbh I hope you prove me wrong and Biden wins in a landslide.

Maybe but Biden was never good at public appearances so Reagan probably would've beat even a young Biden.

I'm talking about mainstream media like NYT so I don't think its the result of some echo chamber if that's what you're implying.

I think you're deluding yourself about how much Joe has cognitively declined yes. 100% yes, or you're just lying but I don't believe that because even in disagreement I've never thought you to be dishonest.

If your actual belief is accepting how much he's noticeably declined but still feeling as though an extremely diminished Biden (one potentially with severe cognitive problems associated with aging or even dementia) is still the superior choice to Trump that's another story. Then I don't think you're deluding yourself. You're making what you believe is a pragmatic choice. One I don't necessarily agree with (again, I can't in good conscience vote for either) but would understand.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I think you're deluding yourself about how much Joe has cognitively declined yes. 100% yes, or you're just lying but I don't believe that because even in disagreement I've never thought you to be dishonest.

If your actual belief is accepting how much he's noticeably declined but still feeling as though an extremely diminished Biden (one potentially with severe cognitive problems associated with aging or even dementia) is still the superior choice to Trump that's another story. Then I don't think you're deluding yourself. You're making what you believe is a pragmatic choice. One I don't necessarily agree with (again, I can't in good conscience vote for either) but would understand.

Well if you think I'm delusional or whatever then let's just leave it at that if we can't have good faith disagreements without descending into that kind of discourse.