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Patrick Jane said:
Not sure what that garbage refereeing was about ...

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If you don't want to tap, you get your arm broken or go unconcious. It wasn't obvious that she was unconcious in the first match as she was still moving (how do you go unconcious from an armlock anyway!?), and it was stopped fairly promptly in the second when it was obvious she was out. Personally, I don't think referees should hold competitors' hands, and especially not in international contests - if you choose not to tap, that's on you.
 
Einheri said:
I think the funding for Judo in the UK is quite poor. It doesn't explain the difference in performance between the sexes. However, when France and Japan are throwing money at their Judoka and seeing great success, and the opposite is true of the UK, you can see that funding is an issue. Judoka in the UK are practically reduced to begging the community for funding - a lot have to self-fund just to compete on the international circuit.
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France hasn t had that much success outside of Riner lately for the men. For women they are cleaning house.
 
Patrick Jane said:
Damn this Uchimata

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Damn pulling uke's sleeve over low and then UP when uke is hunched over is blowing my mind. Looks like it makes for a much cleaner throw than the standard pull over and check your watch like I'm used to doing when uke is upright. Last week at BJJ my uchi mata from this same position got stuffed and I had to turtle. I want a do-over to try this sleeve action.
 
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ChickenBrother said:
Damn pulling uke's sleeve over low and then UP when uke is hunched over is blowing my mind. Looks like it makes for a much cleaner throw than the standard pull over and check your watch like I'm used to doing when uke is upright. Last week at BJJ my uchi mata from this same position got stuffed and I had to turtle. I want a do-over to try out this sleeve action.
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It's also great timing on tori's part. He changes the direction of the sleeve hand almost frame-perfect at the exact moment his sleeve hand and his collar hand are vertically aligned.
 
Patrick Jane said:
It's also great timing on tori's part. He changes the direction of the sleeve hand almost frame-perfect at the exact moment his sleeve hand and his collar hand are vertically aligned.
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I need to try this with ken ken uchi mata. I've been getting stuffed lately on uchi mata attempts on guys with decent TD defense, but I think pulling sleeve low + jumping ken ken + pulling up at the right moment might do the trick if I can get the timing right.
 
ChickenBrother said:
I need to try this with ken ken uchi mata. I've been getting stuffed lately on uchi mata attempts on guys with decent TD defense, but I think pulling sleeve low + jumping ken ken + pulling up at the right moment might do the trick if I can get the timing right.
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When you switch to Ken Ken Uchimata, push the sleeve down towards the mat rather than pull.
 
Einheri said:
When you switch to Ken Ken Uchimata, push the sleeve down towards the mat rather than pull.
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Question on ken ken uchi mata: are you going in intending to do ken ken? Or is it a reaction from a successfully defended regular uchi mata? I've found that if I commit to regular uchi mata with deep hip penetration but haven't off-balanced uke (either because my timing was off or they've hipped in to defend), transitioning to ken ken is difficult. I feel chaining into ken ken is quicker if I intentionally half-ass the hip penetration, hooking their leg lower and anticipating ken ken being required.

Ken ken isn't intuitive to me yet, but I'm trying to add it to my game as I've gotten older and slower.
 
ChickenBrother said:
Question on ken ken uchi mata: are you going in intending to do ken ken? Or is it a reaction from a successfully defended regular uchi mata? I've found that if I commit to regular uchi mata with deep hip penetration but haven't off-balanced uke (either because my timing was off or they've hipped in to defend), transitioning to ken ken is difficult. I feel chaining into ken ken is quicker if I intentionally half-ass the hip penetration, hooking their leg lower and anticipating ken ken being required.

Ken ken isn't intuitive to me yet, but I'm trying to add it to my game as I've gotten older and slower.
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Personally, I switch to a ken ken action if my kuzushi hasn't been good enough or if I'm not deep enough to throw. Kenka yotsu is a bit different - if I can hook the leg, I'll directly turn in for a ken ken uchimata or ken ken ouchi gari depending on what uke gives me. There are absolutely people who use ken ken uchimata as a primary, direct attack in an ai yotsu situation though.
 
Einheri said:
Personally, I switch to a ken ken action if my kuzushi hasn't been good enough or if I'm not deep enough to throw. Kenka yotsu is a bit different - if I can hook the leg, I'll directly turn in for a ken ken uchimata or ken ken ouchi gari depending on what uke gives me. There are absolutely people who use ken ken uchimata as a primary, direct attack in an ai yotsu situation though.
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Thanks for clarifying. I've seen ken ken uchi mata initiated more often from kenka yotsu vs. ai yotsu. I've never tried ken ken ouchi gari but that's making me want to try it out. Chaining uchi mata to ouchi gari (or vice versa) is intuitive but do you ever chain from ken ken uchi mata to ken ken ouchi gari? I feel like it would be too much to change directions in the middle of all that ken ken.
 
ChickenBrother said:
Thanks for clarifying. I've seen ken ken uchi mata initiated more often from kenka yotsu vs. ai yotsu. I've never tried ken ken ouchi gari but that's making me want to try it out. Chaining uchi mata to ouchi gari (or vice versa) is intuitive but do you ever chain from ken ken uchi mata to ken ken ouchi gari? I feel like it would be too much to change directions in the middle of all that ken ken.
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It's just hopping to finish the ouchi gari. A lot of ouchi gari in shiai are finished that way, probably more often than uchimata.

You don't need to turn fully when switching from ken ken uchimata to ken ken ouchi gari, just turn to look past their far shoulder and hop them diagonally over the standing leg.
 
It's not surprising. He's 30-years-old, and competing at such a level will take a toll on your body.
 
Pretty sad. Coaching is important but from a fan perspective i would have been more happy if he pulled an Ogawa and went into pro-wrestling or something so i can at least see him perform regularly.
 
Einheri said:
It's not surprising. He's 30-years-old, and competing at such a level will take a toll on your body.
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Very true. As an old fuck (42), Ono just looks to me like a young guy in his prime. But I can imagine that his way of doing things really took its toll on his body.
 
Anybody wanna clue us in on any new rule changes? I'd look but my resolution this year is to stop finding new ways to disappoint myself.
 
RJ Green said:
Anybody wanna clue us in on any new rule changes? I'd look but my resolution this year is to stop finding new ways to disappoint myself.
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Were there new rule changes recently? If that's the case, it has gone completely under my radar. The last revision i remember was back when they outlawed korean seoi nage and allowed late stage leg grabs.
 
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