*OFFICIAL* Jon Jones Victim Support Thread

[Pequeño Corey]

Seems kinda disingenuous to have a Jon Jones' victim roundtable and not invite any pregnant motorists or Jon's battered wife?

Yea man check the spoiler. Way ahead of you.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Because from talkin to you dudes through the years, I know a lot of you say you know he's the goat and that's all that matters but you guys actually get super triggered when people don't agree. And after this, a lot less people are going to think he was the goat. He already loses every goat poll we have on sherdog as it is, and people have to go running to reddit or twitter or some other place where nobody knows shit about mma to find people to agree with them.

It's hilarious to me. His fans are going to be getting trolled and triggered for years now, and so will Jones himself.

It was funny to watch them just abandon the whole "Jon is negotiating/trolling, but he WILL take the fight trust me guyz" bs they had going for months.


Nope, he just ran away. Like we said he was going to. There's your best ever.

Is that what you’re clinging to? Jones fans thought he was building a fight? Weak sauce, sherbro. What does it matter? Jon was clear that he was cashing in, and the UFC let him do it. That’s what matters. Not fighting Tom doesn’t erase what the man accomplished. Just like GSP’s exit. Do I give two shits that he never rematched JH? Do I care that Anderson had a losing record post leg break? Jon never lost in the octagon, and you guys need to find a way to come to terms with that.

 

[Epsteins Guard]

I know guys who play hockey with a Gary Busey uniform/logo. He hit them up on twitter. great dude

Did they bring him some buttered sausage?

 

[Pequeño Corey]

the only athlete that makes fans happy when he retires: this is the legacy of Picogram.



it's what booze and drugs do to the brain.

Oh yes there he goes. Clever Lee Danger. Anyone who’s a fan of the sport should be happy that Jon retired and that HW can move on. This should have bipartisan support. Except, his haters are even more bitter and continue to make threads about him and the nature in which he retired. Surely a smart guy like you can see this.

 

[Superzorro]

And he was also petrified of Aspinall and the likely KO loss that came with him.

No, you're going off what one guy said. The UFC side has made zero comments on the money (as I stated, they simply don't do that). That includes even general statements like "He gave a number and we didnt meet it". The UFC has a very simple rule that they won't make public statements that reflect poorly on them. Which makes sense, why would they? It would be horrible business. Publicly stating that they gave an offer and it wasn't enough for Jon opens them up for criticism that the fight didnt happen because "they're too cheap". Why would they ever do that when they can simply say "Jon chose to retire. We wish him the best."

I get you wanting to paint it as though you're operating in a world of "facts" and mine is just conjecture. But no, sorry. We are both operating in guesswork. Jones vague comments about getting a big payday don't change that one iota.

I also don't know why you'd choose to add in "with 100% certainty"? When did I say that? I said I think Jones was scared of the likely loss that came with fighting Tom. That's my view but nowhere did I say I know it and damn sure I never said with 100% certainty. Don't argue in bad faith and try to slip things in that don't apply. It's pointless and when you get caught you look dumb.

No they actually have. And not just in this fight either. Remember the whole debacle with Francis Ngannou and leaving the UFC? They announced exactly how much they offered him in that contract. So that precedent that you're talking about doesn't even exist.
They just recently put out that they gave Jones what they thought he "deserved" to fight Aspinall. In this case, I don't even think they would argue that not matching the number would reflect poorly on them. I don't think they believe the number Jones was asking for was feasible. And I don't think the fanbase would disagree with them at this point. We know for a fact that most MMA fans simp for anything anti-Jones and pro-Aspinall.

And they actually didn't just say that. Dana last night said that it had nothing to do with Jones trying to duck Aspinall. What incentive do they have to put that out there? That would probably get them more heat than agreeing with the fans and saying that Jones ducked Aspinall. But let me guess, you think there's a conspiracy theory where they're trying to "cover" for Jones at the expense of their own reputation?

And here's the thing - none of it can be proven with one hundred percent certainty. But we can say what is more likely to have occurred. I'm going with Occam's razor. I'm not going to jump through a million hoops to try and find a way for my preconceived notion to be reality.

 

[Mike]

Is that what you’re clinging to? Jones fans thought he was building a fight? Weak sauce, sherbro. What does it matter? Jon was clear that he was cashing in, and the UFC let him do it. That’s what matters. Not fighting Tom doesn’t erase what the man accomplished. Just like GSP’s exit. Do I give two shits that he never rematched JH? Do I care that Anderson had a losing record post leg break? Jon never lost in the octagon, and you guys need to find a way to come to terms with that.

Nah being the biggest cheater in the sports history is what erased his "accomplishments"

Winning at anything in life isn't impressive if you just break every rule that everyone else is held to.

 

[Mike]

Nah. Not even close. You can’t erase the records. Take your weak “told you so” and shove it up your ass.

Yeah you're right.

Greatest at hiding under the octagon from drug testers. At finding the best foul to use in every situation. At finding goofy nonsensical excuses for using steroids.

 

[mkess101]

No they actually have. And not just in this fight either. Remember the whole debacle with Francis Ngannou and leaving the UFC? They announced exactly how much they offered him in that contract. So that precedent that you're talking about doesn't even exist.
They just recently put out that they gave Jones what they thought he "deserved" to fight Aspinall. In this case, I don't even think they would argue that not matching the number would reflect poorly on them. I don't think they believe the number Jones was asking for was feasible. And I don't think the fanbase would disagree with them at this point. We know for a fact that most MMA fans simp for anything anti-Jones and pro-Aspinall.

And they actually didn't just say that. Dana last night said that it had nothing to do with Jones trying to duck Aspinall. What incentive do they have to put that out there? That would probably get them more heat than agreeing with the fans and saying that Jones ducked Aspinall. But let me guess, you think there's a conspiracy theory where they're trying to "cover" for Jones at the expense of their own reputation?

And here's the thing - none of it can be proven with one hundred percent certainty. But we can say what is more likely to have occurred. I'm going with Occam's razor. I'm not going to jump through a million hoops to try and find a way for my preconceived notion to be reality.

They announced the offer to Ngannou before or after he officially announced he was gone and not re-upping with the UFC? They don't disclose negotiation info on fighters that are under contract for obvious reasons. When a guy is gone and the bridge is burned that's a different story. My understanding is that Jones still had a lot of fights left on his deal. Is that incorrect? Pretty sure he does.

And see what you're doing? Projecting what YOU think the UFC would believe about the perception of them not matching the number and expecting me to simply say "oh okay". But, no. I don't care what you think the UFC's view on that would be. That's you just inserting your own bias and thinking it has some sort of special validity.

Why would the UFC say it's not about him ducking Aspinall? Hmm. I wonder? I can think of 2 easy reasons and I bet you can too.

Occam's razor doesn't apply without just granting your assertions truth, except they're not objective truths. "That would probably get them more heat..." and then you base the rest off that proclamation and expect it to be taken as gospel. No. Not how it works. Sorry.

What's truly funny is that you think all the people who think Jones ducked Aspinall have to "jump through a million hoops" to support that belief. I highly doubt you even believe that.

So no, I don't think it "more likely" that the money--by all accounts far more than any amount Jones had ever previously been paid for a fight--was the primary reason. Yes, it's more likely that a guy that's shown a fragile ego would choose to avoid fighting a bigger, younger, faster guy who's been knocking everyone out.

 

[arcadeperfect]

Nah. Still a sick finish.

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Made DC cry.

Still tainted by roids.

 

[Mind Mine]

It’s over time to find a new villain to cry about. Next time don’t take out all your frustrations on a guy that’s a terrible boyfriend that parties too hard and needs his license revoked. There has to be bigger fish to fry in your world

 

[Pequeño Corey]

You realize the number of threads is proportional to the number of people that have turned against Jon Jones right? He's lost a lot of fans.

You can cope however much you want, but it doesn't change reality.

This is speculative, at best. What seems more likely is that these are the same people who have always hated him. This is obvious when you observe a thread that's supposed to be about Tom devolve into a bitching session about everything Jon has ever done wrong.

As for Jon losing fans, I'm sure this has pushed some people over the edge. For others, if you can make peace with his controversies and still acknowledge him as GOAT, then not relinquishing the title is small potatoes. Especially when you consider that the UFC is to blame for letting him do it.

And the nuance that many haters are choosing to ignore is that I can both be a fan of Jon and not agree with what he's doing.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Still tainted by roids.

 

[Lee Danger]

Nah. Still a sick finish.

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Made DC cry.

Everyone cries.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

In the immortal words of Gordie LaChance..

“Suck my fat one you cheap dimestore hood”

I’d add the word “lowlife” between the words cheap, and dimestore.

Because that’s what you ARE.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Does the lifesize poster of Jones on the ceiling above your bed not do it for you anymore?

You’re fucking pathetic.

Ahh yes the saltiest, most butthurt of them all. Let it flow bitch.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Everyone cries.

Yea too bad Jon didn’t cry in the octagon after getting his had punted off.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

"Sis?" That's cute, homegirl.

The Aspinall "loss" comment was tongue in cheek, but are you going to deny he has an OFFICIAL "L" on his record and it came against Matt Hammill?

If so, I will both remind you (see below) of your own lack of grasp on objective reality. Along with your apparent lack of intelligence, apparent ability to read, and apparent desire to be the next guy to share a pool in Thailand with JBJ.


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Jon has a DQ loss, yes. But he's still undefeated. Matt Hamill did not beat Jon Jones. Jon Jones was disqualified, which technically is a loss.

Interesting how Fedor's "Loss" to Kohsaka isn't leveraged in the same fashion when Fedor's 10 year streak is being put forth as evidence of his GOATness.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Is this thread for his girlfriend?

Or for the pregnant woman he hit with his car?

Way ahead of you. Check spoilers.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Jones fans are like beaten abused spouses lol mentally deficient pathetic people.

Nah. The haters are the ones coming unhinged. Seething and frothing at the mouth, making a new thread every time Jon has a bowel movement. They're literally obsessed and it's not healthy. They really need to heal and move on.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

On behalf of all his real victims, the two girls in the Bentley, the pregnant lady, the cocktail waitress, the shroom girl, his fiancé, his own kids and perhaps many others known or unknown, thank you.

Way ahead of you. Check the spoiler.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Nah being the biggest cheater in the sports history is what erased his "accomplishments"

Winning at anything in life isn't impressive if you just break every rule that everyone else is held to.

I'll say it again.



I don't know how you can look at some of the physiques in the sport and not arrive at the same conclusion. Then there's those "clean" athletes with sus conditions that are known side effects of steroids like gyno or HGH gut. Then there's the guys whose physiques noticeably changed during the USADA era.

That's fine though, you have your criteria, and you're entitled to that opinion. Just know that the underlying premise (no failed tests means you're clean) is flawed, at best. We all know that some guys are just better at beating the test.