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Opinion Ocasio-Cortez annihilates Trump about wall

Yep which is going to cost a lot more money.
The ad revenue brought in by Maury should cover it. If you’re not going to get serious about a solution go home.


On the cereal though
If we aren’t going to stop them or even try to assess which cases are legitimate, can I get a rough estimate of how many kids per year we’re ok with being used as child prostitutes? I have my number. Seems to be lower than a lot of people’s.
 
My fav part is how AOC talks about “illegals are more American then the law enforcement that tries to catch them” ... she is a gift that keeps on giving hahahahaha .. I did like her breakfast club dance vid tho.
 
Far less than a wall and its maintenance.

I guess I honestly don't know what the cost would be to implement a program like that. What I do know is since it's coming from the tax payer we will be charged much more than the average cost of doing something like this.
 
So what you're saying is , built the wall!

I think they should build a few different walls for sure, just not a 2,000 mile long wall or a wall that costs $10 million per mile to build. I think they can do much better with our money.
 

So one study by 2 guys vs the numbers of the DHS and Pew.

You are correct that the number may be underestimated, but if thats the case then it means that visa overstays are an even bigger problem.
 
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It really looks like no one have been the party of fiscal responsibility and I really don't think the deficit alone is what makes a particular party Socialist Venezuela.

Its far more nuanced than a graph that isnt even using GDP adjusted numbers.
 
those overstaying their visa's are not problematic as border crossings. Not remotely close in magnitude of problem.

I was just examining all aspects of this argument and addressing this counter argument to the wall I hear often.
Her mention of the conditions under which people are being held was a statement of fact, whether you agree with it or not.

you mean by ICE? could you expand on this?

do you believe the conditions of which these immigrants/migrants are being held is "inhumane?"

genuine question, not trolling. interested in honest conversatoin
 
42% as of a 2014 study.

its not most. Its not even half.

those overstaying their visa's are not problematic as border crossings. Not remotely close in magnitude of problem.

VISA overstays aren't much of a risk to national security though...correct me if I'm wrong. People who come here through a VISA have had their biometrics documented, have had background checks, and generally don't have ties to terrorists / gangs / drug cartels. People who cross our border illegally have had none of that information collected and could be anybody.


just for the record...I'm just examining all aspects of this very complicated issue...
I realize that there is often a lot of misinformation out there regarding this contentious topic.

Thank you for your input.
 
"And no one should feel unsafe in the United States of America"

Tell that to the American citizens killed by illegals each year.

"And that includes are are amazing and beautiful and productive immigrant community"

Cool, we all agree immigrants are fine as long as it's legal.

Are people more likely to be killed by an illegal immigrant than a legal citizen? What are the numbers on that? As for being legal, why was there big uproar about the caravan when most of them were coming to legal ports of entry to apply for asylum? That is a legal means of entering the US.
 
Its far more nuanced than a graph that isnt even using GDP adjusted numbers.
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree <Fedor23>
Personally I think Obama's "You don't own your business" speech sounds a lot more like the ideas of Socialist Venezuela than the deficit.
 
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree <Fedor23>
Personally I think Obama's "You don't own your business" speech sounds a lot more like the ideas of Socialist Venezuela than the deficit.

When that whole speech is put into context it makes 100% sense.
 
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree <Fedor23>
Personally I think Obama's "You don't own your business" speech sounds a lot more like the ideas of Socialist Venezuela than the deficit.

Which goes back to my point that right wingers only care about rethoric not actual policy or actions.

To me a president pressuring a central bank to lower the interest rates for political or personal reasons is far more troubling.
 
Ann Coulter.

Excellent response, but since you claim that everybody else is using fake numbers, will you please be serious and source the authority who has the "true numbers" as you put it?
 
I keep hearing this and find it pretty hard to believe. 20+ millions illegals on expired visas?
What about you look it up? Seriously how hard can it be... Why do you not believe something you haven't bothered to use two seconds to check.

Since 2007 Visa Overstays have Outnumbered Undocumented Border Crossers by a Half Million
http://cmsny.org/publications/jmhs-visa-overstays-border-wall/

Half of the Illegal Population Are Overstays?
The State Department needs to do a better job

https://cis.org/Arthur/Half-Illegal-Population-Are-Overstays

Analyzing the New Visa Overstay Report
https://cis.org/Report/Analyzing-New-Visa-Overstay-Report

Most are Canadian btw. Here's a sample from 2015.

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Also 20 million is half of the illegal immigrants now? You don't even know the estimates. Something you can look up again.
 
Excellent response, but since you claim that everybody else is using fake numbers, will you please be serious and source the authority who has the "true numbers" as you put it?

I never said that everyone else is using fake numbers.

I said that the DHS, Pew Research and the Center for Migration Studies all agree on the current figure.
 
I think they should build a few different walls for sure, just not a 2,000 mile long wall or a wall that costs $10 million per mile to build. I think they can do much better with our money.

This is where political partisanship has gotten in the way of an honest discussion. I believe the actual goal for "the wall" was to be utilized in specific key note areas to inhibit the flow of illegal immigrants. I don't really think anybody, Trump or others, have honestly believed that an entire 2000 mile wall / structure was going to be built.
 
I never said that everyone else is using fake numbers.

I said that the DHS, Pew Research and the Center for Migration Studies all agree on the current figure.

Going back and looking at what you said I'm seeing that you were being sarcastic....didn't come through the first time I read it. Gotcha.
 
It is pretty racist to attack one group for the behaviors that their children will eventually commit though.

Criminality going up for the US-born children of immigrants indicates there's a problem with US society, not immigrants themselves.
Maybe there is a politer way of saying that but I just find the "they commit less crimes" assertion that is presented in some articles to be very misleading. It gives the impression that hispanic migrants are turning american cities into safer places, when, in the long run it just isn't the case.
Many of these studies conflate illegals with legals, hispanics with asians/indians and also rely on somewhat bad data as data on illegals isn't as good as data on citizens. They also point out that crime is dropping, and if you make a simple correlation you can see that crime has lowered in areas where the hispanic population is growing, it makes for a nice graph.
However, crime went down in the US as a whole if you compare to 1990. It is the case in diverse areas, in homogeneous areas, in republican areas, in democratic areas. Regardless, the data doesn't lie that hispanics commit more crimes, hispanics with few exceptions are immigrants or children of recent immigrants and thus without hispanic immigrants crime would be even lower.
It is not some crisis, the rates are still much lower than in Latin America, they're not absurdly high in absolute terms but I get a bit frustrated when I read such reports talking about immigrants and crime.

About it being a problem of US society, that can be the case, but it can also be a problem with the parents. One can easily say many of them just commit less crimes because they're afraid of getting deported and once they have citizenship they behave improperly.
 
This lady triggers the shit out of right wingers... lol

She is gonna be here a while so get used to it
 
This lady triggers the shit out of right wingers... lol

She is gonna be here a while so get used to it

Not exactly lol, she is welcomed. A person like her who is very naive and can't speak properly makes democrats look terrible. She's a running joke that is aiding Republicans.
 
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