Opinion Ocasio-Cortez annihilates Trump about wall

[MicroBrew]

The United Nations
Germany
or Sweden

I doubt she speaks German or Swedish.

 

[Ripskater]

I doubt she speaks German or Swedish.

But she sure can talk like an unAmerican. She's the congresswoman for illegals.

 

[MicroBrew]

But she sure can talk like an unAmerican. She's the congresswoman for illegals.

I doubt Swedes and Germans are pestering the US to let in illegals from central America.

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

One valid argument she stated, and one that I first heard from Michael Medved is that most illegal immigrants in this country entered it legally, and overstayed on their VISAs.

A wall wouldn't really prevent that.

besides that, I disagree with her on everything else.

42% as of a 2014 study.

its not most. Its not even half.

 

[woodguyatl]

She didn't even have a single valid argument against a wall.


Cliffs:

• No one should feel unsafe including illegal immigrants
• Ice is evil
• The illegal alien child that died is ICE's fault instead of the illegal alien parents that dragged the child thru the desert for days (no reason provided)
• Visa overstays
• Illegal immigrants are more american than people that want secure the border.

Did I miss any?

To be fair, rounding up visa overstays would be more cost effective than a border wall. Hell, there are 50,000 undocumented Irish people who overstayed their visas in the US. A couple of Boston bar raids along with checking some roofing companies could put a dent in that number.

 

[Rygu]

Did the definition of the word annihilate change drastically overnight?

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

Visa overstays account for nearly half of all illegal immigration, including from countries other than Mexico

Yes, but does that mean you shouldn't care about people walking over the border? If 60% overstay their visas and 40% walk over, is it ok?

Immigrants commit less crime than native born citizens

That might be true but in relation to hispanics, the ones that walk over from mexico, their children commit more crime than white americans. So, in the long run, you have an increase in crime. That's not some crazy racist theory, crime rates in the US go like this, in decreasing order: Blacks, Hispanics, Whites, Asians.

 

[squeezewax]

She wouldn't be for a wall because of her ethnicity. Tucker Carlson has interviewed so many Central and South Americans about immigration/the wall and they are all against cutting immigration and having a wall.
I think she is a very dangerous politician because so many people, especially young ones, take notice of her despite the fact she is an idiot!
Her passion, energy, & even her naivity is attractive to some people.
She said the other day that Trump is definitely a racist! How is he a racist, i don't see him as being one?
He is not against immigration at all, he just wants legal immigrants entering the country and i'm with him on that.

 

[curryjunkie]

The United Nations
Germany
or Sweden

united nations is not a country numbnuts

 

[AndroidRage]

I don't consider myself right wing or conservative in any way except maybe fiscal issues. That said, it seems like fresh faces the Dems are pushing really don't seem to care about what America was founded on or its principles. It seems like they want to change it into kind of socialist society and turn into a Sweden or Norway. Norway is a great country but it's not America.

America is unique in the world for what it stands for. I'm all for them trying to get money out of politics and being publicly funded but other than that, it feels like they want to change America into something it's not.

So you feel this way for what reason? A universal health care plan? Affordable medication? Affordable or "free" college education? Less income inequality?

I guess I never realised that treating your citizens like expendable shit was an American quality. Good thing we don't have better social programs like those then huh?

 

[cincymma79]

To be fair, rounding up visa overstays would be more cost effective than a border wall. Hell, there are 50,000 undocumented Irish people who overstayed their visas in the US. A couple of Boston bar raids along with checking some roofing companies could put a dent in that number.

50000 tickets to dublin per Expedia is 1500x50000 is 75 million. So that’s not including anything beyond the flight. Not going to take long to hit that 5.7 billy

 

[Goonerview]

30 seconds in if you don't want to see the lead in. Trigger warning:

The USA spend $598.5 billion a year on its military .... and they cant even defend their border ... fucking joke.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

and @LogicalInsanity

The claim is not that visa overstays account for the majority of all illegal immigrants. There are people who live here to cross the border illegally in the 1990s, they’ve accumulated for decades. The claim is that more people have been overstaying visas than crossing illegally since 2014, and that trend is expected to continue.

The majority that are already here crossed illegally, but that is from old trends not recent years. Recently they’ve been saying 65% or so are visa overstays.

So what you're saying is , built the wall!

 

[woodguyatl]

50000 tickets to dublin per Expedia is 1500x50000 is 75 million. So that’s not including anything beyond the flight. Not going to take long to hit that 5.7 billy

To offset the cost the govt could seize all their assets (homes, cars, etc) through asset foreiture since they were used in committing a crime.

Also, FWIW ICE has its own charter fleet but the price per passenger is higher than commercial. Government purchasing at it's finest.

 

[woodguyatl]

The USA spend $598.5 billion a year on its military .... and they cant even defend their border ... fucking joke.

If any country thinks the US can't defend it's border against an invasion I would invite them to test that idea.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

So you feel this way for what reason? A universal health care plan? Affordable medication? Affordable or "free" college education? Less income inequality?

I guess I never realised that treating your citizens like expendable shit was an American quality. Good thing we don't have better social programs like those then huh?

I guess my issue is what is the role of government? The root of liberalism is liberty. I don't know if the government providing all of these services is a good thing. It gives them too much power and it becomes a nanny/welfare state where you turn to your government for all of the answers. It's just a little too Big Brother for me.

Kennedy famously spoke - "Ask not what the government can do for you but what you can do for your country".

When you get into universal health care, affordable medication, "free" college, "free" housing, what you are really saying is government health care, government medicine, etc. I just struggle with that concept because I don't know if that should be the role of government. It just sounds too potentially fascist. Remember, Hitler created government jobs that built government cars (Volkswagen) so that your government salary could buy a government car so that your government car could drive to government stores to buy government goods.

I think we can find solutions without turning more power over to the government.

 

[chardog]

One valid argument she stated, and one that I first heard from Michael Medved is that most illegal immigrants in this country entered it legally, and overstayed on their VISAs.

A wall wouldn't really prevent that.

besides that, I disagree with her on everything else.

those overstaying their visa's are not problematic as border crossings. Not remotely close in magnitude of problem.

 

[usmctanker242]

One valid argument she stated, and one that I first heard from Michael Medved is that most illegal immigrants in this country entered it legally, and overstayed on their VISAs.

A wall wouldn't really prevent that.

besides that, I disagree with her on everything else.

VISA overstays aren't much of a risk to national security though...correct me if I'm wrong. People who come here through a VISA have had their biometrics documented, have had background checks, and generally don't have ties to terrorists / gangs / drug cartels. People who cross our border illegally have had none of that information collected and could be anybody.

 

[Rod1]

Because it's a clear cut and recent case of Democratic socialist stupidity going off the rails. Chavez and Maduro family members and associates got rich off of rhetoric that is not all that different from Occasional-Cortex.

As for the moral high ground, I'm not happy with the budget, but unlike the Venezuelan middle class we haven't been reduced to eating rats to survive.

Its not clear cut, nor recent. Venezuela didnt deteriorated because of public healthcare but because of disastrous governance, the party that its closer to how Venezuela is governed is the Republican party.

But thanks for showing that the only thing you guys care about is rethoric, because otherwise if you are afraid of Venezuela you should be afraid of the Republican party but specially of Donald "Why is the FED raising interest rates?" Trump.

 

[Rod1]

VISA overstays aren't much of a risk to national security though...correct me if I'm wrong. People who come here through a VISA have had their biometrics documented, have had background checks, and generally don't have ties to terrorists / gangs / drug cartels. People who cross our border illegally have had none of that information collected and could be anybody.

Which is why the whole wall business is just pandering to rubes. The border is pretty hard to cross illegaly already.