Obama renames (reverts) Mount McKinley, our highest mountain.

You're probably right. She has a tendency to get mounted easily.

And she suffers a lot of needless damage because she is not intelligently protecting and defending herself. Or at the very least making sure her opposition is intelligently protecting themselves. It leads to a lot of unnecessarily messy finishes.
 
And she suffers a lot of needless damage because she is not intelligently protecting and defending herself. It leads to a lot of unnecessarily messy finishes.

Cecil Peoples ruled the Bristol vs. Levi fight a 29-28 UD for Levi.
 
And she suffers a lot of needless damage because she is not intelligently protecting and defending herself. Or at the very least making sure her opposition is intelligently protecting themselves. It leads to a lot of unnecessarily messy finishes.
Wow.
 
Wow our founding fathers were racist?

So were Native Americans, since they didn't want Europeans taking over



Racism is just a double standard used against White's.

The Native's were right to be racist.

Dude your late, you missed all the good stuff.. You should have posted earlier from your real account.
 
Wow our founding fathers were racist?

So were Native Americans, since they didn't want Europeans taking over



Racism is just a double standard used against White's.

The Native's were right to be racist.
Quality post, I suspect this brand spanking new account will last as long as sherdog does. :rolleyes:
 
I'm from Oxnard, I'd say it to anyone's face and then beat the piss out of them if they got froggy over it. I'm not a fake like you, or a coward like you, you want to call someone's mom a whore, fine, then your daughter is going to be one too, deal with it!

See, people like you can dish it out but you can't take it, and that's why.... wait for it...... YOU WOULDN'T LAST 10 SECONDS IN OXNARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oxnard huh ? Never heard of it. Lets see.

" Oxnard is the most populous city in the Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area, which is listed as one of the wealthiest areas in America, with its residents making well above the average national income.[12][13] In 2013, Oxnard was ranked as one of the safest cities in America with violent crime rates well below the national average.[14][15][16]"

"Oxnard strawberries[edit]

Strawberry field
The Oxnard Plain is well known for its strawberries. According to the USDA, Oxnard is California's largest strawberry producer, supplying about one-third of the State's annual strawberry volume.[40] From the end of September through the end of October, strawberries are planted and harvesting occurs from mid-December through mid-July in Oxnard. The peak harvesting season in California runs from April through June, when up to 10 million pint baskets of strawberries are shipped daily.[41] The state of California supplies over 85 percent of U.S. strawberries, with the U.S. supplying for a quarter of total world production of strawberries.

California Strawberry Festival[edit]
Each year Oxnard hosts the California Strawberry Festival[42] during the summer at College Park next to Oxnard College, featuring vendors as well as food items based on the fruit such as strawberry nachos, strawberry pizza, strawberry funnel cake, strawberry sundaes, and strawberry champagne.[43][44"

"Colleges and universities[edit]
Oxnard is served on the collegiate level by Oxnard College and nearby California State University Channel Islands. Additionally, California Lutheran University, California State University, Northridge, ITT, University of Phoenix, University of California, Santa Barbara, and Azusa Pacific University have satellite campuses in Oxnard."

"The city of Oxnard is home to over 20 miles (32 km)[citation needed] of scenic, relatively uncrowded coastline. The beaches in Oxnard are large and the sand is exceptionally soft. The sand dunes in Oxnard, which were once much more extensive, have been used to recreate Middle-Eastern desert dunes in many movies, the first being The Sheik with Rudolph Valentino. There are very few rocks or driftwood piles at most beaches, but Oxnard is known to have dangerous rip-currents at certain beaches.[50][51][52] Oxnard is home to world-class surf at most of its beaches.

Beaches in Oxnard include: Ormond Beach, Silver Strand Beach, Hollywood Beach, Hollywood-By-the-Sea, Mandalay Beach, Oxnard State Beach, Oxnard Shores, 5th Street Beach, Mandalay State Beach, McGrath State Beach and Rivermouth Beach."

"Oxnard offers several cultural institutions. These include the Carnegie Art Museum, founded in 1907 as the Oxnard Public Library by philanthropist Andrew Carnegie; the Chandler Vintage Museum of Transportation and Wildlife, founded by the late Los Angeles Times publisher Otis Chandler, which housed the largest collection of rare and vintage automobiles in the nation until the contents were auctioned off following Chandler's death in 2006; the Murphy Auto Museum,[57] founded by neurosurgeon Dan Murphy; The Heritage Square, a collection of restored Victorian and Craftsman houses which were once owned by Oxnard's pioneer families (Heritage Square is also home to the Petit Playhouse[58] and Oxnard's award-winning Elite Theatre Company);[59] the Channel Islands (Ventura County) Maritime Museum,[60] The Gull Wings Children's Museum,[61] The Henry T. Oxnard Historic District;[62] the Herzog Winery[63] and wine cellar, the nation's largest collection of fine kosher wines; the Seabee Museum and the Oxnard Performing Arts and Convention Center,[64] home to the New West Symphony.[65] It is also home to the award winning Oxnard Independent Film Festival[66] and, since 2010, the annual Channel Islands Tall Ships Festival.[67]"

So what have we learned today ?
In 2013 Oxnard was rated one of the safest cities in the US.
Oxnard is well known for its strawberry festivals.
Oxnard is filled with University students.
Oxnard has over 20 miles of beautiful beaches used in famous movies.
Oxnard has many cultural institutions such as museums,theaters,historical neighborhoods and wineries.

Oxnard ? More like Oxnerd.

Sounds about as scary as you do ya fake ass tough guy.
I wouldnt make it there ? Why ? Whats gonna happen ? Maybe a bunch of college kids will pelt me with strawberries on my way to the museum ?
No real tough guy has to act like you and stick his chest out all the time telling people how tough he is. No real tough guy tells someone he is arguing with on a forum that his 6 yr old daughter is "fair game".

Im calling you out on your disgusting behavior and your obvious insecurity.

From now on your new name is "Strawberry", Strawberry from Oxnerd.
 
How bout we just tell the whole truth from jump sonny boy. Acknowledge the contributions of our founding fathers, while also acknowledging many of them were racists and slave owners.

I graduated HS in 1987, and there was not word one in any history book I had about our founding Fathers being racists, or slave owners. Or that many of them either killed others, or were killed themselves, in duels. Some of our luminaries even killed others in duels by breaking the rules of the duel. Also known as murder. They later went on to become President. A really fucking good President I might add.

As for the rest of it, congratulations, you win today's Pamprin award.

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My argument was against holding them to the standards of today instead of the standards of their own day. By todays standards the very large majority of people of their time would be racist, even the ones who spoke against slavery. Any rational person can see how ignorant it is to hold people to standards set hundreds of years after their death.
And the reason I have a problem with schools teaching all the things you mentioned is it wont be taught without bias and with an understanding that many of these behaviors as horrible as they are to todays standards, were somewhat the norm of their day. Ie duels etc. We should be focusing on the great things they accomplished and inspiring kids to do the same one day, not having radically liberal teachers trashing our founding fathers. As a matter of fact Im pretty sure the common core curriculum was doing just that and now has been changed again due to public backlash.
 
My argument was against holding them to the standards of today instead of the standards of their own day. By todays standards the very large majority of people of their time would be racist, even the ones who spoke against slavery. Any rational person can see how ignorant it is to hold people to standards set hundreds of years after their death.
And the reason I have a problem with schools teaching all the things you mentioned is it wont be taught without bias and with an understanding that many of these behaviors as horrible as they are to todays standards, were somewhat the norm of their day. Ie duels etc. We should be focusing on the great things they accomplished and inspiring kids to do the same one day, not having radically liberal teachers trashing our founding fathers. As a matter of fact Im pretty sure the common core curriculum was doing just that and now has been changed again due to public backlash.
So, to condense your point, you want pro-American propaganda rather than any critical assessment.

Your opinion is tragic.
 
Scientists told Obama that if he renames a mountain, the Greenland ice sheet will slow it's melt by 6% next year.
 
So, to condense your point, you want pro-American propaganda rather than any critical assessment.

Your opinion is tragic.


Your comprehension is tragic, but then again it seems like youre a smart guy so youre probably ignoring what i really said on purpose.
I never said to spew propaganda, thats what the common core history program has started to do. Focusing way too much on the negative and belittling or ignoring the positive things our founding fathers did. And again im pretty sure I was listening to NPR and they were saying there was a backlash against the "new" history program and because of that it was changed and they had to tone down the negative light the founding fathers were portrayed in. I expect no truths to be hidden, just that they be told in context and without bias. That seems to be where the problem lies.
 
What I get is Alaskans and climbers who can be arsed already called it Denali. Have been calling it Denali for years. Even Palin was in support of this?



SMEAC the poster is no fan of Obama but he knows Alaska and sees it as a non issue.

So to people to who to this matters its a non issue but to those who don't like Obama its some grave threat.

I honestly think Obama does this on purpose sometimes, he gives opponents these non issues to froth over to distract them.

I think he trolls at times.
 
I never said to spew propaganda, thats what the common core history program has started to do. Focusing way too much on the negative and belittling or ignoring the positive things our founding fathers did. And again im pretty sure I was listening to NPR and they were saying there was a backlash against the "new" history program and because of that it was changed and they had to tone down the negative light the founding fathers were portrayed in. I expect no truths to be hidden, just that they be told in context and without bias. That seems to be where the problem lies.
You do want propaganda, you want history classes to be discussing how the founding fathers were great and did great things while ignoring mistakes or aspects of their behavior that might be negative. That absolutely is propaganda and it is exactly bias; your opinion is "My bias should be taught". Recognizing that many of the founding fathers supported slavery and economically prospered from it isn't propaganda it is teaching of facts. The context is that there also was already a strong abolitionist movement in England and the US so the founding fathers don't actually get an out.

History is full of facts that are dirty, nasty, and negative. Any serious examination of history has to discuss that in depth. You can call that propaganda if you want but you're misusing the term. Your problem is you want right-wing, american exceptionalism, propaganda taught and are errantly calling anything else "propaganda".
 
Recent graduate of Obama University ?

Should we downplay their accomplishments because of that ? Are we to hold these men to the standards of today, or the standards of their day ?

Should you and i be judged by people in the future for things that we do today that are mostly accepted by society ?

Like denying climate change despite the facts? Yes, yes they should judge us.

Besides, there were people who opposed slavery back then.
 
You do want propaganda, you want history classes to be discussing how the founding fathers were great and did great things while ignoring mistakes or aspects of their behavior that might be negative. That absolutely is propaganda and it is exactly bias; your opinion is "My bias should be taught". Recognizing that many of the founding fathers supported slavery and economically prospered from it isn't propaganda it is teaching of facts. The context is that there also was already a strong abolitionist movement in England and the US so the founding fathers don't actually get an out.

History is full of facts that are dirty, nasty, and negative. Any serious examination of history has to discuss that in depth. You can call that propaganda if you want but you're misusing the term.

Ok, one more time. I never said "ignore" the negatives. You just want to keep saying that to strengthen your argument. Typical liberal. Twisting what ive said in order to demonize my very valid point. Isnt that what they call a strawman ? I said i didnt have a problem with teaching the good and the bad as long as it was done in context and without bias. Are you reading this ?

But dont take it just from me.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/cultu...mmon-core-architect-for-rewrite-of-us-history

"Experts say the biggest problem with the new curriculum is its brazen effort to teach
 
Like denying climate change despite the facts? Yes, yes they should judge us.

Besides, there were people who opposed slavery back then.

I believe in climate change, but i can understand how some doubt it due to the amount of misinformation being put out there these days. I dont think you can judge anyone for what they believe on that issue now or in the future.

But youre not getting it. Even the people who spoke out against slavery would almost definitely be considered racists by todays standards. Hell everyone in the world pre 1970 would be by todays standards. How about womens rights ? Would anyone from that time period pass the standards of today for that issue? I think not. So should we condemn everyone from that time period for that too ? What about gay rights ? Are you seeing how ignorant it is to judge people from several hundred years ago by todays standards yet ?
 
Ok, one more time. I never said "ignore" the negatives. You just want to keep saying that to strengthen your argument. Typical liberal. Twisting what ive said in order to demonize my very valid point. Isnt that what they call a strawman ? I said i didnt have a problem with teaching the good and the bad as long as it was done in context and without bias. Are you reading this ?
You're actively complaining about teaching the bad. How much bad is okay?
But dont take it just from me.
I'm not going to take it from your source either because it is a blatant opinion piece with a clear bias. It's fucking hilarious that you're even typing the word "bias".
http://www.thenewamerican.com/cultu...mmon-core-architect-for-rewrite-of-us-history

"Experts say the biggest problem with the new curriculum is its brazen effort to teach “history” through what analysts describe as a “progressive” lens. Instead of focusing on actual U.S. history, for example, critics say the radical new Advanced Placement (AP) history curriculum represents hard-core Marxist indoctrination. Among other concerns, a growing roster of opponents argue that the new scheme hypes and exaggerates real or imagined wrongs while presenting everything in a collectivist mold. Meanwhile, it downplays and ignores virtues and goodness in America’s historical development and its experiments with liberty and self-government.

The unprecedented advancements in human freedom, religious liberty, individual rights, and more are all glossed over, or even framed as negative. Instead, experts and educators say the curriculum represents a half-baked effort to present America as a racist, imperialistic, and oppressive endeavor. From marginalizing, ignoring, and demonizing the Founding Fathers to touting the alleged benevolence and greatness of anti-constitutional federal machinations, opponents say the new history framework represents an extreme departure from what America is and has been."

"Part of the problem is what is missing. “You’re not going to find Thomas Jefferson and the House of Burgesses,” explained retired U.S. history teacher Larry Krieger, who taught for over three decades and is now working hard to highlight the deficiencies in the College Board’s rewrite of the course and history itself. “And finally, you’re not going to find Benjamin Franklin and the birth of American entrepreneurialism.”

James Madison, another one of the most important founders of America and its constitutional system of self-government, is also missing from the new program. Even the Pilgrims, who escaped persecution in Europe to become the earliest settlers in America, are conspicuously absent from the controversial AP history course. The course outline specifically states that only material covered in the document will be on the test."

Edit: I looked at a lot of the links within your "article" and what's hilarious is that they never present a single one of these supposed marxist examples. I suspect neither they nor you know what the fuck the AP test is. Also, Jon Birch Society, lol. How was there not a single example AP test question given?
 
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We killed off 90% of an entire race of people.

Giving them a mountain's name and few casinos is the least we can do.

And honestly, he could rename it Mt. Dick Cheese and I'd care about as much as I do now.
 
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