Obama blames Founding Fathers

[The Creeses**]

But you asked for specifics. Why? Specifics don't matter. Mob rule can come from anywhere.

Stop being obtuse. You know what I was getting at. This part of the discussion is over for me. Feel free to carry on.

 

[The Creeses**]

Unemployed high school dropouts from low income housing.

They are citizens also. Are you suggesting they should have no vote?

 

[OldGoat]

Be clear here. Who are you talking about when you say "ignorant mobs". Be specific.

Any group of ignorant rabble. There is no specificity to it. Pure democracy has always been viewed with suspicion because with 1/2 the people dumber than the average it doesn't take much to mobilize the mob and implement bad policy.

 

[OldGoat]

I know that, dude. I just wanted OG to say what he is really thinking and not float these abstracts. You know full well what I was getting at.

What you don't like a constitutional republic? You have delusions of being a demagogue and seizing control of power as head of the rabble? Do you have the intellect and charisma for that?

 

[OldGoat]

They are citizens also. Are you suggesting they should have no vote?

You think someone who can't spell potato ought to have a say on farm policy? Or someone that can't multiply fractions ought to have a say on economic policy? If you do, shoot advocate for pure democracy, the rest of us sane ones will continue to wish to keep what's left of our purposely dysfunctional republic.

Unlike you, I don't worship the state. Sorry.

 

[Cold Front]

The Athenians had a pure democracy - at least for citizen males. It was never stable, often reverting to oligarchy and tyranny before the Macedonians put an end to it altogether.

 

[The Creeses**]

Any group of ignorant rabble. There is no specificity to it. Pure democracy has always been viewed with suspicion because with 1/2 the people dumber than the average it doesn't take much to mobilize the mob and implement bad policy.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that your idea of "the mob" and mine are different.:icon_lol:

 

[The Creeses**]

Sorry.

Apology accepted.

 

[Quipling]

Comparing judicial systems doesn't make her an expert on whether the parliamentary system is better than the checks-and-balances, American-style of government. Nor does it qualify her to understand what factors she should be looking at to even judge the difference. Better in what way and for whom?

She's one of the leading experts on one, and probably as knowledgable as anybody on the latter. What are you using as a measure of expertise, exactly, such that Ginsburg doesn't meet it?

 

[Cold Front]

She's one of the leading experts on one, and probably as knowledgable as anybody on the latter. What are you using as a measure of expertise, exactly, such that Ginsburg doesn't meet it?

Prove it.

 

[The Creeses**]

Prove it.

Easily looked up. Conversely, I ask you to prove she isn't.

 

[Cold Front]

You can't prove a negative, Creese, unless you ask me to prove you have no scrotum.

 

[The Creeses**]

You can't prove a negative, Creese, unless you ask me to prove you have no scrotum.

Well you could certainly look up her education and career. And your sexist insult is very weak. The first sign that someone has lost an argument.

 

[Cold Front]

Well you could certainly look up here education and career.

She's trained in law. But even that background doesn't necessarily make her an expert in comparative judicial systems, let alone comparative political systems. Legal training is not social science training.

And your sexist insult is very weak. The first sign that someone has lost an argument.

Oh come on, it was kind of funny.

 

[The Creeses**]

Oh come on, it was kind of funny.

4 on a scale of 1-10. I expect better next time.

 

[WARRIOR POET]

Don't disagree that much. The Constitution is by no means a perfect document.

it has worked for us and protected us just fine for over 2 hundred years

thank you

 

[Kevin Rudd]

it has worked for us and protected us just fine for over 2 hundred years

thank you

It has also been amended along the way so his point is a valid one.

Pretty sure there used to be something in there about importing people e.g. slavery. People aren't down for that anymore.

 

[surgeyou1]

it has worked for us and protected us just fine for over 2 hundred years

thank you

Yes we have never had any problems in the US for the last 250 years...

 

[oldshadow]

It has also been amended along the way so his point is a valid one.

Pretty sure there used to be something in there about importing people e.g. slavery. People aren't down for that anymore.

And that's why it works because it can be changed but requires a an effort as it should.

 

[Kevin Rudd]

And that's why it works because it can be changed but requires a an effort as it should.

Agree 100%. Our constitution in Australia is similar in that it although it can be changed it we need the consensus of the majority of people in the majority of states to do so.