Elections NYC mayoral race

[KAZSoliloquy]

False.

 

[Islam Imamate]

What I learned today: Hispanic voters do not like Trump's flawed immigration policy.

You only found that out today?

 

[nostradumbass]

I'll say this again. You don't want a small amount of people paying all the taxes. It's not a good look and think about it this way. If this small group of individuals are paying all these taxes then doesn't that essentially mean what Dems and Repubs have been saying for the longest in that wealth is too concentrated in the hands of a few? The idea that people are making arguments for millionaires and billionaires when they do things like wage theft when you are not one of them is hilarious.

Side note, are we oblivious to how campaigns and politics work? Politicians constantly ask for funds even when they are not in full fledge campaign mode.

No, it doesn't mean that unless we had a flat tax. What it means is we have one of if not the most progressive tax system in the world, and the top 20%, top 10%, top 5%, top 1% and pay a significantly higher portion of the tax revenue than their share of the income, while the bottom half pay way less than theirs but do most of the complaining. Voting would look very different if there was a flat tax and people were voting for their own taxes instead of what they want other people to pay. We have 40% of the country who don't pay income tax at all but still get to vote on tax rates for the people who do.

NYC is probably worse than most places for concentrated income, and Mamdani's solution is to lean further into policies that made it that way. Trickle down taxation doesn't work anywhere, and rent control combined with a transient population is a brutal combination. There are almost as many people in NYC born in a different country than there are people who were born in NY, and place with that much population churn when you choke off a large amount of the housing supply gets you the $7k/month studio apartments they have now.

 

[N13]

You only found that it today?

NO. It was the data confirmation from the voting demographics.

 

[Andy Capp]

This reads like something my aunt would say and shes a 60 yr old dumbass

With all due respect of course

Independent variables, young'un.

 

[Andy Capp]

Not a surprise

Show me where he has been anti-Israel without referencing the NY Post.

 

[Rygu]

Just like the last few potus elections-there were only absolutely horrible choices here. How in the fuck does the supposedly best city in the world-according to new yorkers fail so miserably to field even one remotely not fucking terrible option for its mayor? I have never seen such an absurd choce presented to voters before-well, besides the potus elections.


sleewa is an absolute unqualified goober. He walks funny, makes odd head movements, and just looks like a caricature of a person.

cuomo is a corrupt piece of shit slathered in so many scandals and he resigned as gov of the state. How in the fuck did he, or anybody, think he was a good choice to lead the most populous city in the US? Who in the fuck would give him money for this endeavor? That is throwing your money away and the people that gave it obviously don’t and didn’t ever even deserve money to give if they’re going to throw it away. But as I say this, we do have a felon in the White House that was never an even remotely qualified or good candidate for any office and it makes me sick and sad that he was ever taken seriously or elected not once, but twice! cuomo is on so many pockets and has so many in his pocket and like our dear, beloved potus, he only exists and ran to enrich himself even more and those of his cronies. His brother is a super twat also.

Now for mayor mamdani-man, that’s gross to say. Obviously, one of my first concerns-me being me, is what he said about the police department and implied about police in general-the police are racist and a danger to the community and they need defunded. Wow, that’s pretty bold-but look at how he walked it back like a pussy. Stick to your bold statements you fucking twat. Nope-suddenly, he was taken out of context or he spoke out of emotion while he was grief stricken over losing floyd in 2020. He, like so many reactionary politicians in this country-especially in places like Minneapolis that wanted to completely disband their police department and then “reimagine public safety” and every other city like nyc where many of the council members wanted to punish the nypd for a crime that occurred in another state and city hundreds of miles away-they all called for aggressively defunding the police to punish the profession-again, because of what one officer did far away. It was pure virtue signaling. The city of Seattle also wanted to punish their police officers for what chauvin did-so they defunded their police department despite what they actually claim now-that they didn’t actually go through with it-they did. Seattle got rid of several specialized police units like the violent crimes task force and put those officers back out onto beats and in uniform and most of them either retired or quit because who wants to be part of a department that does that? Who wants to go from a more elite and prestigious position and suddenly be thrown in uniform again responding to crackheads and crazy people while they now have to work shift work? Of course those officers that can get out will get out and those that can’t yet retire would rather quit than be treated like shit and punished for something they had nothing to do with. Then, when Seattle pd was so fucking depleted form their threats to defund the department and officers not feeling supported and feeling attacked-they had to try to hire new officers and when every eligible candidate said “nah, I’m good” they had to start trying to lure back those that retired because it takes a long time to hire a new police officer and train them long enough for them to be self sufficient to be able to be an effective police officer and no already certified officer is going to willingly agree to work for a department like that.

Hell, fucking seattle in their ultimate wisdom and virtue signaling started sending unarmed social workers to calls that used to have police respond to. Well, it only took a few social workers being stabbed to death for them and the rest of the country to maybe rethink that strategy-bold strategy, cotton.

I could go on and on and on about the nightmare and absolute failure that defunding the police was and how the profession still has not recovered and is having tons of difficulties in filling empty slots on their department. But almost every single city that threatened to or actually defunded their police department soon walked that shit back when their officers quit in droves and soon, the city had a serious officer shortage and couldn’t respond to calls anymore. Cities like San Fran, seattle, oakland, and many others no longer respond to certain crimes-they tell the victims of crimes to report it online or simply report it to insurance. They get zero investigation, zero service, zero prosecution, zero compensation, zero justice all because of the defund movement. Even violent crimes are sometimes not responded to or it happens hours later long after the suspect has fled. Response times are waaaay up, clearance rates are way down due to lack of officers-slow response times, lack of detectives or special units.

And then there is progressive prosecutors that took a strong hold after the defund movement. Sure it was happening in very liberal areas before then, but it spread like wildfire, crack epidemic, or the aids virus in the 80s-take your favorite euphemism. But it leads to no persecution for many crimes, no bond policies releasing violent suspects back onto the streets to continue to reoffend-often violently, leads to so called “restorative justice” that means basically, you get an apology and an explanation as to why you were targeted and get to hear the sob story of the defendant as to how they were beaten as a child and grew up as the only kid on the block without new air jordans-then you hug and you are suddenly whole again.

So, don’t walk back now, mamdani-you meant it when you said it and you still want to do it now you fucking coward.

Oh-did I mention that he is against private property? He would seize property in imminent domain if or when he can and give it to the homeless. Or, he will pay property owners either less than the property is worth or pay much more than it is worth and use tax money to build homes for poor and homeless. It is bad to have homes for the homeless? No, it isn’t-but to do so by stealing property is unconstitutional.

That's the only reason this retard won, because the retards who voted for him had the choice to vote for that retard or 2 other retards, only the retard who won made retarded promises that only a retard would think he actually had the power, knowledge, resources, or experience to actually make happen.

I honestly don't expect NYC to change much for the better or for the worse during his mayorship.

 

[Rob Battisti]

So with Mamdani's plan we could reduce the number of those police specific stops and possibly the 3,780 violent encounters. At the fraction of the cost of a police officer.
And not only will that reduce lawsuits that cost American cities hundred of millions of dollars per year, but it could improve the reputation of police officers. Obviously other things like training need to be included.

Reduce the number of stops?

How does his plan reduce the number of stops? What the numbers just showed is that .33% of stops result in violence. If 99.77% of stops don’t result in violence, adding in social resource people(or whatever they will be named) is not going to result in anything different than what is happening.

We need more training, we need better cops.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Reduce the number of stops?

How does his plan reduce the number of stops? What the numbers just showed is that .33% of stops result in violence. If 99.77% of stops don’t result in violence, adding in social resource people(or whatever they will be named) is not going to result in anything different than what is happening.

We need more training, we need better cops.

"police specific" stops. Not every call to the police warrants police intervention.
Many can be handled by a mental health professional.
Much of the violence that occurs between police and citizens is because the police aren't equipped to handle some of those cases without violence.
3,800 instances of violence, while a small percentage relative to the number of stops is a large number when it comes to violence. If there is a way to mitigate that it would be worth a try, wouldn't it?
And yes we need more training and much better cops.

 

[ShadowRun]

That's the only reason this retard won, because the retards who voted for him had the choice to vote for that retard or 2 other retards, only the retard who won made retarded promises that only a retard would think he actually had the power, knowledge, resources, or experience to actually make happen.

I honestly don't expect NYC to change much for the better or for the worse during his mayorship.

Yea I think like what 79% woman voted for him, but the other choice was Andrew who people were fond of.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Not a surprise

 

[Rob Battisti]

"police specific" stops. Not every call to the police warrants police intervention.
Many can be handled by a mental health professional.
Much of the violence that occurs between police and citizens is because the police aren't equipped to handle some of those cases without violence.
3,800 instances of violence, while a small percentage relative to the number of stops is a large number when it comes to violence. If there is a way to mitigate that it would be worth a try, wouldn't it?
And yes we need more training and much better cops.

My perspective is that there is a tiny percentage of the already tiny percentage of cases that escalate to violence in which it is the failure of the officer to de-escalate the situation.

If in 99.77% of stops it doesn’t escalate, that’s a pretty good track record. It shows cops aren’t out there looking to bust heads.

There will always be a percentage of situations where violence is necessary. I can stomach .33%.

Obviously, there are bad apples, and they should be rooted out and punished. Obviously we need better training.

Sending in resource officers instead of actual officers, while it may have its place in situations like domestic violence, is not going to reduce the number to zero.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

My perspective is that there is a tiny percentage of the already tiny percentage of cases that escalate to violence in which it is the failure of the officer to de-escalate the situation.

If in 99.77% of stops it doesn’t escalate, that’s a pretty good track record. It shows cops aren’t out there looking to bust heads.

There will always be a percentage of situations where violence is necessary. I can stomach .33%.

Obviously, there are bad apples, and they should be rooted out and punished. Obviously we need better training.

Sending in resource officers instead of actual officers, while it may have its place in situations like domestic violence, is not going to reduce the number to zero.

Good for you being able to "stomach" 3,800 cases of violence by the police. How Libertarian of you.
The thing is part of that 0.33% are George Floyd, Eric Ganer, Tamir Rice, Sonya Massey, Breonna Taylor.
Not only are these people dead, but the cities have to pay out hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements and the public hates the police.
And nobody said the number would ever reach zero. Lets aim for better and improve from there.

 

[Limbo Pete]

My perspective is that there is a tiny percentage of the already tiny percentage of cases that escalate to violence in which it is the failure of the officer to de-escalate the situation.

If in 99.77% of stops it doesn’t escalate, that’s a pretty good track record. It shows cops aren’t out there looking to bust heads.

There will always be a percentage of situations where violence is necessary. I can stomach .33%.

Obviously, there are bad apples, and they should be rooted out and punished. Obviously we need better training.

Sending in resource officers instead of actual officers, while it may have its place in situations like domestic violence, is not going to reduce the number to zero.

Sending in mental health crisis professionals has been clearly demonstrated to work, and it works well. But people have an instinctive resistance due imo to this feeling that power is being taken away from the police (and by extension thrmselves). In reality it benefits everyone, police very much included.

 

[ShadowRun]

Reduce the number of stops?

How does his plan reduce the number of stops? What the numbers just showed is that .33% of stops result in violence. If 99.77% of stops don’t result in violence, adding in social resource people(or whatever they will be named) is not going to result in anything different than what is happening.

We need more training, we need better cops.

Some bought this myth about social workers and cops. Cops know the laws of the land and public safety and crime prevention comes first before a persons self mental health that can't be social enough to comply to such laws of society. Most "mental health" 911 calls aren't "sad person needs a hug. Sending unarmed social workers doesn't reduce stops. It reduces response capability and gets people killed, including the social workers. We don't need fewer cops. We need better-trained cops with actual clinicians riding along for the tiny slice of calls where that's appropriate. Anyone still pushing the "social workers instead of police" line after 2025 is either mathematically illiterate or selling something a variant of the defund of the police line of thinking.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Sending in mental health crisis professionals has been clearly demonstrated to work, and it works well. But people have an instinctive resistance due imo to this feeling that power is being taken away from the police (and by extension thrmselves). In reality it benefits everyone, police very much included.

inb4 "fuck the police, 0.33% is my final offer"

 

[Limbo Pete]

Good for you being able to "stomach" 3,800 cases of violence by the police. How Libertarian of you.
The thing is part of that 0.33% are George Floyd, Eric Ganer, Tamir Rice, Sonya Massey, Breonna Taylor.
Not only are these people dead, but the cities have to pay out hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements and the public hates the police.
And nobody said the number would ever reach zero. Lets aim for better and improve from there.

At root, the job of police is law enforcement, and being crazy itself isn't illegal. It shouldnt be their job alone to manage all those many crazy people wandering around.

 

[Rygu]

Yea I think like what 79% woman voted for him, but the other choice was Andrew who people were fond of.

Yeah I mean fuck Cuomo I wouldn't have voted for him, I wouldn't have voted for anyone in that election to be honest that selection of candidates were as bad as Trump/Harris/Stein/Kennedy.

 

[ShadowRun]

Good for you being able to "stomach" 3,800 cases of violence by the police. How Libertarian of you.
The thing is part of that 0.33% are George Floyd, Eric Ganer, Tamir Rice, Sonya Massey, Breonna Taylor.
Not only are these people dead, but the cities have to pay out hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements and the public hates the police.
And nobody said the number would ever reach zero. Lets aim for better and improve from there.

That is cherry picking and a social worker deescalating and dangerous mental health criminal , is how you get a stabbing on a train randomly, society needs to be protected. More people get struck by lightening then the people you listed which is what 0.0000014% of the U.S. population.

 

[ShadowRun]

At root, the job of police is law enforcement, and being crazy itself isn't illegal. It shouldnt be their job alone to manage all those many crazy people wandering around.

It is there job to protect the public.... ooof