(Now backed by science) Anatomy of the ideal fighter -and a very interesting surprise-

[BroScienceTalkatWork]

Dude, there's no need to be rude. You're just jumping into conclusions that weren't there.

The data I gathered suggests/concludes that the optimal strength to height-weight / power to speed & cardio... ratios met in a dude that happens to be a LHW.

No absolute weight is mentioned. And, as you already know, one cannot "scale" up & down a human body to fit other weight classes.

The interesting stuff is:
1. He would be almost a carbon copy of Jiri.
but not only would he not fight like Jiri: he would not be "him". I mean, beyond anatomy/anthropometry/biomechanics there's a lot of major factors: reflexes, cognition for on the fly decision making, genetic lottery (bone density, coordination, protein synthesis, recovery, hormonal environment...), ability to perform under pressure...

2. He would walk around and train all year round at 96 kg, cutting just slightly above 3% to make weight.

Now:

1. For lower weight classes, the detrimental effects of weight/water cutting apply. Does it mean that sports science/physiology would advise lighter fighters to cut just a 3%? Not necessarily, probably size discrepancy has a more significant effect on performance at lower weights.

2. For a HW, if you apply the same height to weight ratio Tom* would fight @ 100 kilos. Sports/performance science would recommend him to lose aprox 40lbs? Most likely not.
*Tom has a very low ape index. His wingspan is only 198cm. If he had the same ape index of Jiri, it would be 208.

It does not make sense bro

Either it’s open weight or it’s not open weight

If it’s open weight you want to be big tall and dense

Look at the photo of Tom Aspinalls back. Has the width of Sean Brady. Looks like a scaled up Sean Brady

if they’re suggesting he would want to be 225 then they haven’t found any any way to factor in bone density, width into their model’s formula for “size”

I mean yeah these are researchers.. they are also doing research papers on the fucking UFC.. maybe they aren’t that smart lol

Look.. at the end of the day a tall rangy 6’ 4 guy is going to get snapped in half at heavyweight.

That makes that build less then ideal. Now you see why in my mind this shit sound completely retarded?

 

[Herwald]

I uploaded your description into chat gpt and asked it generate an image based on it, here you go.

Kind looks like Jiri with a depression.

 

[Rubios]

It does not make sense bro

Either it’s open weight or it’s not open weight

If it’s open weight you want to be big tall and dense

Look at the photo of Tom Aspinalls back. Has the width of Sean Brady. Looks like a scaled up Sean Brady

if they’re suggesting he would want to be 225 then they haven’t found any any way to factor in bone density, width into their model’s formula for “size”

I mean yeah these are researchers.. they are also doing research papers on the fucking UFC.. maybe they aren’t that smart lol

Look.. at the end of the day a tall rangy 6’ 4 guy is going to get snapped in half at heavyweight.

That makes that build less then ideal. Now you see why in my mind this shit sound completely retarded?

Plz, re-read my previous post. I don't mean it in a harsh way: it's probably broken English (I'm a Spaniard).

I didn't say any of the things you're addressing. I actually stated the opposite.
In fact, I agree on everything you said.

 

[Rubios]

I uploaded your description into chat gpt and asked it generate an image based on it, here you go.

Kind looks like Jiri with a depression.

Lol WTF

 

[BroScienceTalkatWork]

Plz, re-read my previous post. I don't mean it in a harsh way: it's probably broken English (I'm a Spaniard).

I didn't say any of the things you're addressing. I actually stated the opposite.
In fact, I agree on everything you said.

No dude you still didn’t explain how a more thin bone structure is better for combat

a “rangy” 6’ 3 guy is just skinny at heavyweight

You still didn’t explain how being 210 lean.. giving up as much as 50 pounds… is ideal for fighting

Again. Doesn’t make sense

 

[dominion]

Jiri was the first person to spring to mind before OP actually mentioned him, but I guess Jon Jones was a way more orthodox fighter with a more orthodox base.

LHW Jon Jones is probably the archetype. The fact he achieved what he achieved despite being a Mcgregor-esque fuck up is monumental. Give a sensible human that physique and skill set and they're probably 40-1 by now ignoring all the retarded suspensions and issues with the law. They might never have got DQ'ed if they were a dirtbag, either.

I wonder how he would have faired against heavyweights if he started in the same division as everyone else has size or greater, and how legitimate this calculation would be.

 

[Rubios]

No dude you still didn’t explain how a more thin bone structure is better for combat

a “rangy” 6’ 3 guy is just skinny at heavyweight

You still didn’t explain how being 210 lean.. giving up as much as 50 pounds… is ideal for fighting

Again. Doesn’t make sense

Because I didn't mention HW, not once.

As we're traveling tomorrow, I've spent most of the day doing nothing so I could research this particular topic.

The ideal HW/absolute weight would be a 1.95-1.98 guy. Up to 210cm wingspan.
And he would weight 122kg up to 125 depending on his ability to perform at his peak with very low body fat. Optimally, he could be able to fight at 10%.

This specimen doesn't exist in the UFC, I can't recall someone close to him.
And it's no surprise, because it is estimated that this subject is one in 5 to 10 millions.

Tom's reach is very short for a fighter, i.e.

 

[Mr. Snrub]

I love that Jiri is a JBG disciple and cuts a measly 8 lbs to fight at LHW. Lives and trains like a warrior. No boring or safe performances from him. We're so blessed to have him. He's worthy of a spot in Valhalla.

 

[Chama]

Chee Wee Wee

 

[BroScienceTalkatWork]

Because I didn't mention HW, not once.

As we're traveling tomorrow, I've spent most of the day doing nothing so I could research this particular topic.

The ideal HW/absolute weight would be a 1.95-1.98 guy. Up to 210cm wingspan.
And he would weight 122kg up to 125 depending on his ability to perform at his peak with very low body fat. Optimally, he could be able to fight at 10%.

This specimen doesn't exist in the UFC, I can't recall someone close to him.
And it's no surprise, because it is estimated that this subject is one in 5 to 10 millions.

Tom's reach is very short for a fighter, i.e.

Thanks. I understand your argument now

It’s scalable in theory but not in practice.

Now here’s my counter argument — different body types will dominate different weight classes


featherweights in particular cut like crazy. You need to have enough muscle to be able to cut 20 pounds. That’s a competitive advantage. And that 20 pounds matters a shitload. So number one thing gotta be compact and strong with a bone structure that supports muscle growth

but at LHW you can have that strength and density and also have range. That’s my theory anyways

 

[Rubios]

Well, in fact... the hypothetical perfect HW would be -to no one's surprise- pretty similar to Ngannou.
But the Francis that boxed, even heavier than he competed in the UFC.

In a perfect world he would be even more muscular because he'd be able to perform optimally at 10% body fat or even slightly below.
And his torso would be a bit more compact.

But his height/reach is exactly ideal. And freakish.