Not Just a Cohencidence (Mueller/Investigation Thread v.20)

[SBJJ]

Conspiracy is a crime, and a pretty well known one.

I’ll make you a lifetime Sig bet that will not be charged in this instance. Also any amount of money you are able to bet

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

You do realize the campaign finance violation in question assumes it's an "in-kind contribution to the Trump campaign for president" for another person to pay hush money to a woman Trump slept with?

By the same reasoning, anything that helps the Trump campaign could be construed as an in-kind contribution to the campaign. Where do you draw the line? If Trump buys a bunch of fruit to eat for energy, that will benefit his campaign. Should the purchase of that fruit be considered an "in-kind campaign contribution"?

Women, not "woman Trump slept with".

And certainly paying out $280,000 to keep swing state voters in the dark about these skanks (9 years after Trump had sex with them) amid the fallout from the grab em by the pussy tape, from dummy companies started solely for this purpose (with a tape of Trump discussing how to do this with his attorney, who plead guilty to violating federal campaign finance laws by arranging hush money payments to adult film star Stormy Daniels and former Playboy model Karen McDougal "at the direction" of then-candidate Trump) and Trump continuing to change his incoherent stories about this issue, sure seems to cross that line. In fact, it is about as different as drinking a diet coke for energy over eating fruit for energy.

 

[MikeMcMann]

That would be a ridiculous argument regardless of who made it. Anyway, Manafort wasn't successfully squeezed. He probably turned down multiple plea offers and stood trial. The convictions in his trial should be viewed very differently from the charges that Cohen plead guilty to.

It will be interesting to see if Trump pardons Manafort. That would be a bad look for Trump politically, no doubt.

Your position is more ridiculous that a guilty confession along with the provided evidence is some how more suspect. It really is on what you WANT to believe. And I can assure you that the cries of 'witch hunt', 'selective and unfair and biased prosecutions' are being used RIGHT now to try and downplay the value of the successful prosecutions and as justification for an eventual pardon.

Had Cohen fought this all along kicking and screaming and the same evidence came out that he has willingly provided, and him found guilty there is no reason to say that is more believable than him volunteering it.

Son to dad : I did not do it.
Dad to son : i have clear evidence you did it and don't believe you and therefore here is your punishment

Son to dad : Sorry I did and here is the evidence
Dad to Son : I accept your confession and here is your punishment, which is lesser than it would have been had you not owned up.


You : the second one is suspect and I cannot believe it as much as the first.

The rest of us to you



Your entire position seems to circle around the potential for corruption in the process which exists in either scenario but you only put value on it in one of them.

 

[SBJJ]

So basically you're saying they made up these charges in hopes of screwing Trump. The only problem with this is we know the payments happened, he pleaded guilty and a judge accepted it. If a judge accepts the guilty plea, he obviously believes what happened was a crime. I really don't see how your "People plea to lesser crimes that they didn't commit" argument has anything to do with this case. These things 100% happened.

If a future judge or jury decides that it did not happen(campaign law violations) does that mean it didn’t happen

 

[7437]

I’ll make you a lifetime Sig bet that will not be charged in this instance. Also any amount of money you are able to bet

Well Trump literally cant be charged with a crime, so no fucking shit. Seeing how he is one of the two people involved adn the other is the witness, doesnt exactly take Nostradamus to see no one will be charged.

 

[andnowweknow]

I wonder if you will still talk this way after you lose your bet to me. I will solicit many opinions on how to edit your signature.

The bet where when Stone gets indicted and there is a plea agreement it becomes null. It's a pointless bet. He will get indicted, and of course he'll plea out.

You're full of shit regardless. You still maintain you're not a Trump supporter.

 

[*Z*]

If a future judge or jury decides that it did not happen(campaign law violations) does that mean it didn’t happen

As far as Cohen is concerned, it's a settled matter. His record will read guilty of campaign finance violations. Unless Trump is charged, which he likely won't be it will never see another court room.

 

[SBJJ]

Well Trump literally cant be charged with a crime, so no fucking shit. Seeing how he is one of the two people involved adn the other is the witness, doesnt exactly take Nostradamus to see no one will be charged.

Weird. Lanny Davis is all over the air saying he can

He also can be tried after he leaves office

 

[HOLA]

You still maintain you're not a Trump supporter.

That's his schtick?

That's cute.

Like Comeback Kid pretending to be a black guy. Fools everyone.

 

[SBJJ]

As far as Cohen is concerned, it's a settled matter. His record will read guilty of campaign finance violations. Unless Trump is charged, which he likely won't be it will never see another court room.

Why not. If Trump is guilty why not charge him when he leaves office. Are u saying this is just political?

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

Jesus fucking christ did i really read wai claim a jury decision is precedent? That Derschodipshit law degree is paying off for him.

Here's a clue, juries don't set precedents. Trial courts don't. Appeallate, state supreme, and scotus do.

You're welcome for the legal lesson. Mr defender of constitutional rights. Mfker wouldn't understand con law if he got stuck in 1L con law

Here since @waiguoren "missed" this one.

Also I'll educate you why they're using the term perjury trap.

What did George P plead to?

What was one of the charges Gates pleaded to?

What did Flynn plead to?

All of them lying to the FBI.

What did Michael Caputo say?

- Mueller knows more about what happened than we do.

Mueller is in possession of transition team emails (OOPS)
https://gizmodo.com/robert-mueller-got-trump-transition-emails-just-by-aski-1821369736

Mueller has emails from Manafort
- we know this because Manafort got caught using an email account where communication was done through editing of drafts

Mueller has emails from Gates
- see above

Mueller likely has electronic communications of Flynn and George P
- we know this because they're pleading to lying to the FBI, this destroys credibility they would need hard evidence rather than their word

SDNY (not Mueller but still relevant) will likely possess electronic and audio recordings regarding tRUmp from Cohen
- we already know one recording exists. There's likely much more to come.

Mueller will follow DOJ protocol and not indict a sitting POTUS
- he is a by the book guy, DOJ protocol says don't indict I don't believe he'll indict

That last points is why Rudy is all over TV trying to win public opinion same with tRUmp on Twitter and Faux News. It's obviously worked on you

 

[*Z*]

Why not. If Trump is guilty why not charge him when he leaves office. Are u saying this is just political?

I don't think Mueller is politically motivated, I think he's just doing his job. They could very well charge Trump once he's out of office and they may just test the theory that a sitting president can't be indicted. That would be interesting to see that matter taken up.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

Weird. Lanny Davis is all over the air saying he can

He also can be tried after he leaves office

It's an unsettled (by the courts) legal question. DOJ has said a sitting POTUS cannot be indicted. So unless POTUS is indicted elsewhere (state level maybe?) it's highly doubtful a sitting POTUS will be indicted unless something really extreme is really obvious

 

[nostradumbass]

 

[Joe]

What lackeys would he appoint to have the balls to fire Mueller

 

[7437]

Weird. Lanny Davis is all over the air saying he can

He also can be tried after he leaves office

Holy fuck, Lanny Davis?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

Well, thats the highest legal authority in the land and the man who knows the case best. I stand corrected.

 

[SBJJ]

I don't think Mueller is politically motivated, I think he's just doing his job. They could very well charge Trump once he's out of office and they may just test the theory that a sitting president can't be indicted. That would be interesting to see that matter taken up.

Why would SDNY not charge him. They have already named him. And made a speech on how serious these charges are

 

[Fluffernutter]

 

[SBJJ]

Holy fuck, Lanny Davis?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?

Well, thats the highest legal authority in the land and the man who knows the case best. I stand corrected.

Dude. You are aware he is Cohens attorney.

Are you joking

 

[*Z*]

Why would SDNY not charge him. They have already named him. And made a speech on how serious these charges are

I don't know man, I don't have the answer to this.