Not Just a Cohencidence (Mueller/Investigation Thread v.20)

[Big Nasty Edison]

Be honest: would you lie if you were in Cohen's shoes?

There's no way to prove or disprove his claim. He does far less time in prison for making the claim, saves on attorney's fees and has to deal with a lot less stress.

Would you lie about not doing what Cohen said Trump did if you were in Trump's shoes?

 

[Jack V Savage]

Be honest: would you lie if you were in Cohen's shoes?

There's no way to prove or disprove his claim. He does far less time in prison for making the claim, saves on attorney's fees and has to deal with a lot less stress.

Here's a prediction for your other thread (where you and Farmer are giggling like schoolgirls): In the thread on the next finding of criminality from someone in Trump's inner circle, you'll be there arguing about how it's no big deal or that Trump wasn't involved. At some point in that thread, you'll deny being a Trump supporter.

 

[waiguoren]

See, that's silly. You just assume that everyone else is as tribalistic as you are because you're unable to understand a liberal perspective. In this case, everyone can see what Trump is. Even you try to play it both ways because you know that--on the one hand, he's a deeply immoral crook and his supporters are fine with that so nothing we find matters; on the other, he did nothing wrong or the criminality (and Russian collusion) stops exactly at what is publicly known at any given time (and since that keeps expanding, your own moral and intellectual decline also expands). I don't think there's any defense of the guy except on your grounds--"my party right or wrong."

Are you denying that you attacked me for voting third party in 2016? I've never voted for a Republican in my life.

Your generalizations about 10s of millions of Americans are reminiscent of Clinton's "basket deplorables" comment.

The rest of your comment is a strawman. I criticized you for claiming that evidence of Trump's supposed criminality is "piling up". Well, where is it? We've known that he paid off some whores for a long time. Manafort's tax case had nothing to do with Trump. These are facts and it seems like you don't care to acknowledge them.

Finally, pointing out where the cuckoos in this thread have lost their minds is not the same as defending Trump. If I argue for the right of antifa to march in the streets, does that make me a "defender of antifa"?

 

[PolishHeadlock]

 

[waiguoren]

No the professionals in tv defending him

The pros just respond to the attacks, so of course.

 

[44nutman]

Take notes. No makeup. No artificially enhanced features. Extremely masculine characteristics (pay careful attention to the jawline). Facial symmetry, hot fucking glasses. Wizened. Studious. Unassuming.

 

[waiguoren]

Here's a prediction for your other thread (where you and Farmer are giggling like schoolgirls): In the thread on the next finding of criminality from someone in Trump's inner circle, you'll be there arguing about how it's no big deal or that Trump wasn't involved. At some point in that thread, you'll deny being a Trump supporter.

Another dodge.

At what point did you lose confidence in the proposition that Trump offered policy concessions to Russia in exchange for the DNC hacks at the Trump Tower meeting? @HOLA has the balls to take a bet on it. You did too, but then you ran.

 

[44nutman]

Be honest: would you lie if you were in Cohen's shoes?

There's no way to prove or disprove his claim. He does far less time in prison for making the claim, saves on attorney's fees and has to deal with a lot less stress.

BE honest would you lie if your were in Trumps shoes.
He has Donny on tape and I guarantee there will be some sort of paper trail for the payment.
My Pop Pop always told me, if your lawyer is fucking taping your conversations, there is definitely a paper trail .

 

[andnowweknow]

Lol...in the immortal words of Cro Cop "it is his hope"...coincidentally, he also goes on to call Barnett fat in the same interview, which also suits the situation.

 

[Shoemaker]

Matt Schlapp lays the Schlappdown on menopausal CNN anchor. This one is like an 18-wheeler rolling over Bambi.



Camerota: Does it affect your support of Donald Trump?

Schlapp: The fact that Michael Cohen plead guilty to these charges? Not at all. Cohen is someone, like Paul Manafort, who had an elaborate scheme to not pay his taxes and committed a lot of financial crimes. In Cohen's case, because they had him over a barrel---because they had all these crimes that they could prosecute him for---they got him to sign a plea that was not negotiated. It was "take it or leave it". He signed it to save his own hide and to try to get a reduced sentence. It happens all the time in America.

Camerota: So just to be clear, Matt: you don't believe that President Trump directed him to make those payments to those two women and that it was to influence the presidential race?

Schlapp: All I can tell you is, Cohen taped all of or at least a lot of his conversation with the president, so if Cohen has some kind of proof that happened, we'll see it. I don't believe that proof exists. I think what happened is: Michael Cohen plead to charges that are actually not crimes according to the FEC, but that are an attempt to do anything to connect Cohen's wrongdoing to potential wrongdoing with Trump, andI think that's a travesty.

Camerota: Obviously, there are campaign finance laws and you're not allowed to make payments to mislead the American voter into voting for you. Number two, when you say there's no evidence, when you testify under oath, he did so in an open court. There are wire transfers, according to prosecutors, that show the money going from Michael Cohen and that money going to a porn actress and a Playboy model.

Schlapp: Right.

Camerota: There are the stories of the two women who say that they had affairs with Mr. Trump. You don't believe any of that?

Schlapp: What I'm answering your question on is, I don't believe that the transactions associated with these two people are FEC crimes. I believe that Michael Cohen plead guilty to actions that are called "crimes" in the plea deal that aren't actually crimes. Allison, can you name any other person in this country who has been convicted of trying to squelch a story in the National Enquirier? Name the names.

Camerota: What I think you're doing, is a lot of sort of fancy rhetorical footwork...

Schlapp: No, I'm answering your question.

Camerota: Well my question to you was, does it at all affect your support of Donald Trump to know all these things?

Schlapp: What, the fact that Donald Trump had an extravagant lifestyle?

Camerota: And may have had affairs with these two women he paid off in hush money.

Schlapp: I grew up outside of New York City for a number of years. I read all about Donald Trump. Nobody in my party and nobody of the folks that made up the Trump coalition were naive to the fact that the life that he had...

Camerota: So you were okay with those things.

Schlapp: No, I never said I was okay....

Camerota: Well, look! You support him, okay?

Schlapp: I support him strongly.

Camerota: So at some point, we have to connect the dots. You support him strongly. So at some point we have to...

Schlapp: Look, Allison, Allison, let me...I would like a minute here.

.....

It continues like this for four more minutes. This one is like Sullivan v. Araujo. Hard to watch the beatdown.

Why didn’t you post the part with the “beat down”?

 

[trident]

Dershowitz is a liberal Democrat. You're funny.

He's a neocon

 

[Dolomite]

[Giuliani] Says, optimistically, they believe Mueller “might be at the end now.

He has to be winding down.

What else is there?

Near the end.”

"Doin' right ain't got no end."

 

[PainIsLIfe]

New Big Updates:​

• Jury in the first Manafort trial reached a verdict on 8 of the 18 counts. Appears to be hung on the remaining 10; may result in a mistrial for those counts, possible retrial.
• Cohen pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations (and tax fraud) for paying off various women involved in Trump's infidelities. He stated, in his guilty plea, that he did so "at the direction of" a 2016 presidential candidate and with the "purpose of influencing the election."

Mod note from previous thread: Please post in here with regards to the subject at hand. Any general chat can go in the WR OT thread.

Just to be clear, going forward, these type of posts also count of derailing:
1. Talking about how the thread is derailed/ how mods should handle a situation (report and continue on topic discussions)
2. Joking about posters who are reply banned from the thread
3. Posts with only flaming that do not have any other information about the topic
4. A reply to any of the above

Stop doing these. This isn't some game of getting each other reply bans and infractions. Just stay on topic, report when needed. We have the WR OT for posts like the ones above but they have no place in a normal thread.

Major events so far:​

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  • Manafort, Trump's campaign manager and transition committee member has been indicted arising from misconduct reaching into 2017 related to payments received through 2014 from the pro-russia faction of Ukraine's pre-war government. He has pleaded not guilty. The indictment has since been expanded by 13 claims. Manafort's bond has been revoked because of witness tampering. His countersuit has been dismissed, as has his claim that Mueller's appointment violated Article II. He has been convicted of 8 counts so far.
  • Michael Cohen, Trump's attorney, has pleaded guilty to campaign finance violations, which he claims to have committed at Trump's direction to influence the election.
  • Gates has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and conspiring (with Manafort) to commiting tax fraud, failing to register as a foreign agent, and lying to the FBI
  • George Papadopolous pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators in 2017 about activities occuring 2016-17. Admits to meeting with various Russian officials regarding setting up meetings and "dirt" on Hillary while acting on behalf of the Trump campaign, something he previously denied.
  • Mike Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor, has also pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI with respect to several meetings that he had with the Russian ambassador. Flynn was allegedly involved in other business involving Turkey, but has not yet been charged with respect to that behavior.
  • 13 Russian indictment for activity starting in 2014 and continuing through 2017. A US citizen pleaded guilty for agreeing to help them.
  • An attorney linked to Manafort, Gates, and a Russian oligarch has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI
  • Yohai, Manafort's former son-in-law has agreed to cooperate with the Justice Department
  • Daniels's lawsuit has somehow, insanely, gotten linked up to the Mueller investigation thanks to alleged wrongdoing and influence-peddling by Michael Cohen
  • Twelve Russian intelligence officers have been indicted for conspiracy against the United States and aggravated identity theft. The indictment should be mandatory reading.

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/mid-air-collusion-mueller-thread-v-19.3810031/

Previous thread​

I haven't been keeping up with the collusion threads lately, but I must say that it is a pretty extensive list of criminal activity to come out of a nothingburger.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Another dodge.

At what point did you lose confidence in the proposition that Trump offered policy concessions to Russia in exchange for the DNC hacks at the Trump Tower meeting? @HOLA has the balls to take a bet on it. You did too, but then you ran.

At no point. I think it's pretty clear that Trump offered policy concessions in exchange for dirt from Russia. I lost confidence in your willingness to acknowledge it.

BTW, I notice you ducked my point. It's an absolute certainty that if you're in the WR at the time, you will be spinning for Trump in the next thread where we find out about criminal activity related to him and then deny being a supporter. How is it so easy to predict your actions if you're just responding rationally to news that arises?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Welp, after an argument with my gf, I've got a personal stake in the outcome for Trump.

I've agreed that if Trump is removed from office or resigns, I will eat whatever shirt I'm wearing.

Sign up to keep me on a shirt free diet.
Or don't if you wanna see Trump crash and burn

 

[trident]

Welp, after an argument with my gf, I've got a personal stake in the outcome for Trump.

I've agreed that if Trump is removed from office or resigns, I will eat whatever shirt I'm wearing.

Sign up to keep me on a shirt free diet.
Or don't if you wanna see Trump crash and burn

Invest in silk

 

[waiguoren]

At no point. I think it's pretty clear that Trump offered policy concessions in exchange for dirt from Russia. I lost confidence in your willingness to acknowledge it.

That's the dodge of the century. You know perfectly well that @Lead adjudicates those bets so it doesn't matter if I "acknowledge it" or not.

As for your other "point", I repeat: defending someone's rights is not the same as defending that person's character or actions. I noticed you passed over that point entirely. So again, if I defend the right of an evil group like Antifa to march (as I have), would you say I'm a "defender of antifa"? No, you wouldn't. But because you are partisan to the bone, anyone who defends the rights of Trump or his associates is a "Trump defender" in your eyes.

 

[Mark Hunts FIST]

Do you have any idea how slow and ponderous our legal system is? The only quick trials are the ones where the defense lawyer is a public defender that took a plea deal.

The more money a defendant has, the more legal tricks and extension plays they can afford- see the OJ trial.

Now understand that Trump is both a very rich man, AND THE PRESIDENT, which makes him the most difficult person in the country to prosecute.

Also, much of his susceptibility to prosecution is tied into congress and the senate, so as long as the republicans have control, there is a lot of restriction on what can be presented as evidence and what can be prosecuted.

That is all 100% fair and accurate.

Counter. If our government had a shred of proof of a Russian collusion and didn't remove him from the presidency, they have failed the American public.

I have the same opinion I've had since day one.. This was an 'attack' against Hillary Clinton and not collusion with Donald Trump.

 

[Bloody Pulp]

Welp, after an argument with my gf, I've got a personal stake in the outcome for Trump.

I've agreed that if Trump is removed from office or resigns, I will eat whatever shirt I'm wearing.

Sign up to keep me on a shirt free diet.
Or don't if you wanna see Trump crash and burn

Wear nothing bump hemp t-shirts from now on.

 

[HARRISON_3]

Invest in ostrich

Indeed.