Nog's all time status

You have no comeback for Nog asking for rules to kimit SAPP, not the other way atound, The piledraiver hapenned becaus Nog shot bon Sappp and he couldn;t knee due to fake rules.

Cool, but ackonlwedlge it was fake fight
The rules in place were that knees to down opponents (Coleman/Igor) were disallowed because of the 150 pounds weight difference. If that makes Nog/Sapp fake than every UFC fight is fake because you can't knee downed opponents in the UFC either.
 
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I will give you my reasoning.

The biggest factor for me is that Stipe was the #1 HW from 2010 to 2020 decode. There were several great HW's , but considering wins, record and title defenses, Stipe was the top guy. The UFC was the premier and top organization by far in MMA that decade. And he is the UFC HW goat. So considering those two things, I think it's fair to put Stipe #2 all time. I can't have the best HW of the last 10-12 years, which is a substantial time in mma, not be #2.

The other is that Stipe is the most accomplished MMA HW champion. Most defenses and title wins.

Stipe beat guys at their best and in title fights and that's what counts. The fact that Werdum was 38 is not relevant, he was HW champion. Beating Cormier 2x in his late 30s and early 40s counts big time, Cormier was HW champion. Same with JDS and Reem, these were all HW title fights. Those wins count for more than beating Cro Cop, Werdum and Sergei at the time Nog beat them. So Stipe's wins hold more value beause they were title fights vs the top proven opponents.

Stipe wasn't the best HW from 2010-2020. He became champion in 2016.

Also he didn't beat anyone at their best.

Werdum went 4-5 after Stipe beat him

JDS went 1-5 after Stipe beat him.

Overeem had been knocked out in the UFC 3x before Stipe fought him.

Arlovski was 37 and had been knocked out many times before he fought Stipe.

Ngannou lost his very next fight to Derrick Lewis after losing to Stipe. That's not someone who's "at their best"

Cormier was 40 coming off back surgery and never fought or won another fight again.

Don't get me wrong these are good wins but:

it's not as good as Nog beating Mirko when he was ranked #3 and in his 20s who went on to win a Pride GP.

It's not as good as Nog beating Barnett who was ranked #3 and in his 20s and went on a 10 fight win streak after losing to Nog.

It's not as good as beating Werdum when he was ranked #7 and in his 20s and went on to beat Fedor and then later Cain to become the UFC HW champion.

It's not as good as beating Sergei when he was ranked #5 in the world and in his 20s. A guy who went on to beat much better younger versions of Reem and AA.

Or Heath Herring who was ranked #3 in the world and in his 20s.

For me it's not even up for debate. If it wasn't for Nogs losses to Fedor the GOAT his record would be 32-1 in his first 33 fights while fighting the best HWs on the planet while they were in their 20s and at their best.

Stipe is still a top 5 HW all time and an all time great who is worthy of respect but he's never beaten an all time great HW in their prime. Lost to the youngest versions of the all time greats that he fought.

Retired with less fights and lost to Struve 10 fights into his career as a 30 year old. Something that wouldn't have happened to Nog.

Minotauro undisputed #2 HW of all time.
 
Out of curiosity, FightMatrix has Nog at #3:
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PS: Cain above Werdum doesn't make sense, he has fewer top ten wins and lost to him.
 
Honestly? I’d have

1.fedor
2.Cain
3. Werdum
4. DC
5. Stipe
6. JDS
7. Francis
8. Big Nog
9. Overeem
10. Brock
11. Crocop

This is what I think the rankings would be today if they were all in their prime and had to fight each other in a tournament.
Fedor probably would got KOed by Ngannou and Tom. DC, Cain and probably Stipe would just ragdolled him
Werdum would be number 3? Sorry, no way. He couldn't beat Overeen and Arlovski, let alone DC, Stipe or Francis

All in their prime:

1. Jones
2. Cain
3. Aspinall
4. DC
5. Miocic
6. Fedor
7. Francis
8. JDS
9. Mirko
10. Overeen
11. Werdum
12. Minotauro
13. Barnett
14. Brock
15 . Couture
 
I dunno how you could say that.

Nog beat him.
And who was a tougher fight for Fedor? Nog was dominated by three times

Mirko tkoed Barnett two times and Big Nog did two very close fights with him, losing one
 
And who was a tougher fight for Fedor? Nog was dominated by three times

Mirko tkoed Barnett two times and Big Nog did two very close fights with him, losing one

Are we supposed to forget that Barnett injured his shoulder early in the first one and got poked in the eye in the third one, and tapped out? Cos you aint gonna get me with that one.

Also the second fight Nog had w Barnett was a clear Nog victory.

If Fedor fought Mirko three times, he would dominate him three times.

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Are we supposed to forget that Barnett injured his shoulder early in the first one and got poked in the eye in the third one, and tapped out? Cos you aint gonna get me with that one.

Also the second fight Nog had w Barnett was a clear Nog victory.

If Fedor fought Mirko three times, he would dominate him three times.

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Fedor said Mirko was his toughest opponent ever <Fedor23>
 
Fedor said Mirko was his toughest opponent ever <Fedor23>
So? That still doesnt mean Mirko could beat Nog, or was better than Nog.

That's like saying Fujita is better than Mirko cos Fujita almost Ko's Fedor.
 
So? That still doesnt mean Mirko could beat Nog, or was better than Nog.

That's like saying Fujita is better than Mirko cos Fujita almost Ko's Fedor.
YOU said Nog is better than Mirko because he have beaten him lol


I defend Mirko was just a more difficult fighter for most of fighters of that time (and probably would be right now)
 
Fedor probably would got KOed by Ngannou and Tom. DC, Cain and probably Stipe would just ragdolled him
Werdum would be number 3? Sorry, no way. He couldn't beat Overeen and Arlovski, let alone DC, Stipe or Francis

All in their prime:

1. Jones
2. Cain
3. Aspinall
4. DC
5. Miocic
6. Fedor
7. Francis
8. JDS
9. Mirko
10. Overeen
11. Werdum
12. Minotauro
13. Barnett
14. Brock
15 . Couture

You sound like an imbecile who just started watching mma.
 
I defend Mirko was just a more difficult fighter for most of fighters of that time (and probably would be right now)
Nog only lost to Fedor and Split decision to Barnett in his PRIDE run and managed to also get interim UFC HW title.

<Fedor23>
 
He couldn't beat Overeen
In 2006, Fabricio Werdum defeated Alistair Overeem in the first round of the Pride Open Weight Grand Prix with a kimura

He also beat Cain and Fedor guys who are clearly better than Arlovski and many others but you hold on to the Arlovski loss like it means something lol
 
Werdum went 4-5 after Stipe beat him

JDS went 1-5 after Stipe beat him.

Overeem had been knocked out in the UFC 3x before Stipe fought him.

Arlovski was 37 and had been knocked out many times before he fought Stipe.

Ngannou lost his very next fight to Derrick Lewis after losing to Stipe. That's not someone who's "at their best"

Cormier was 40 coming off back surgery and never fought or won another fight again.

Don't get me wrong these are good wins but:

it's not as good as Nog beating Mirko when he was ranked #3 and in his 20s who went on to win a Pride GP.

It's not as good as Nog beating Barnett who was ranked #3 and in his 20s and went on a 10 fight win streak after losing to Nog.

It's not as good as beating Werdum when he was ranked #7 and in his 20s and went on to beat Fedor and then later Cain to become the UFC HW champion.
Lol at this incoherence

Look at Cain and Fedor resume after losing by Werdum
Putting an asterisk at Miocic first victory on DC and Ngannou is just silly
 
Nog only lost to Fedor and Split decision to Barnett in his PRIDE run and managed to also get interim UFC HW title.

<Fedor23>
He also lost by Hendo 50 pounds lighter in RINGS just one year before he beaten Mirko lol
 
In 2006, Fabricio Werdum defeated Alistair Overeem in the first round of the Pride Open Weight Grand Prix with a kimura

He also beat Cain and Fedor guys who are clearly better than Arlovski and many others but you hold on to the Arlovski loss like it means something lol
Werdum lost by prime Overeen in Strikeforce
And got destroyed by an inexperienced JDR debutting in UFC
And got destroyed by Miocic just few months after taking his belt
He got destroyed many times tbh
 
He also lost by Hendo 50 pounds lighter in RINGS just one year before he beaten Mirko lol
So its not always easy to make a list. Especially all time ones are exercise in futility.,

Better to not make one!

Both Mirko and Nog were great fighters.

Be happy with that!

Werdum lost by prime Overeen in Strikeforce
And got destroyed by an inexperienced JDR debutting in UFC
And got destroyed by Miocic just few months after taking his belt
He got destroyed many times tbh
So did Mirko.

<Fedor23>
 
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