Nog's all time status

Honestly? I’d have

1.fedor
2.Cain
3. Werdum
4. DC
5. Stipe
6. JDS
7. Francis
8. Big Nog
9. Overeem
10. Brock
11. Crocop

This is what I think the rankings would be today if they were all in their prime and had to fight each other in a tournament.

That said I wouldn’t be surprised if DC or Cain won the tournament.. I also wouldn’t be surprised if JDS won it…

If your talking just accolades and rankings at the time the fights happened it’s like fedor nog Cain then everyone else

Stipes best win is Francis… every other win was against an old legend… he lost to JDS when JDS wasn’t broken…. Everyone else was completely shot… even his DC wins were when DC was past 40
I dont think this is a head-to-head thing. Pretty sure its about accomplishments, which are relative to your era.
Mine would be...
1- Fedor
2- Nog
3- Stipe
4- Werdum
5- Cain
6- JDS
7- DC
8- Crocop
9- Francis
10- Overeem
 
You cant compare the performance of a roided up fighter to a tested fighter
 
I got nog over Cain and jds all time tied with stipe at number 2 or 3

Fedor and francis above them
 
Nog is a legend and a clear #2 all time for me. Fedor takes #1 because he made clear he was the better fighter, but Nog was the guy who beat everyone other than Fedor. PRIDE was so damn fun and once they got out of the earliest days, Nog came around and was the king for a little while. His career was so long and so full of accomplishments that it would be hard to imagine a guy today having that kind of career
 
Sapp and CC fights were both movie-esque. The apex of fight drama, complete with thrilling conclusions.
Nog getting dropped with a LHK to end the first. . . and he looked so useless that whole round. . . and then one of my all-time favorite mma comebacks.
 
The Cain that fought Nog would’ve beat him at any point. Fedor and Cain at peak are by far the best. Longevity doesn’t get Cain up there though.
 
The thing about Nog is you'll never get an honest account of him from Sherdog as he by necessity has to be an all time great to further prop up Fedor's wins over him. If he's not as good as presented then neither is Fedor. Has nothing really to do with objectively analyzing him.

I'm NOT saying he's not a top 5 HW which seems fairly easy to give him, but this thread is complete proof of it when you see people say shit like he beat Sapp and Mirko. Nog fought Sapp under specific rules to give him every advantage like that Sapp couldn't knee or kick a downed opponent like was otherwise allowed in Pride. The piledriver literally happened because Sapp couldn't just knee Nog's face in there off his sprawl like he otherwise would've and so had to come up with something else he could do. As for Mirko, he beat him before Mirko had taken off and not during his actual run, at the same time as Mirko should've lost to Wand but once again didn't due to Pride special rules, and should've been KO'd in the 1st regardless but the round ended.

Not even going to get into people talking about him declining in 2008 when he was still ranked #2. People act like Timmy flooring him was an anomaly in Nog's career. Yet go back and praise him surviving Sapp's pile driver, Mirko's head kick, and others. Make up your minds. Either he's known for his recovery or he's not. Mir KOing Nog was still seen as an impossibility and was an enormous upset at the time. And Nog still came back and beat Randy in his very next fight, looking the best he had in a long time. He was still ranked #2 when Cain KO'd him, that's literally the entire reason Cain got a title shot lmao.

People have enormous rose tinted glasses when it comes to Pride and Nog is no different. Give him a top 5, wherever you want to put him besides #1 as he can't possibly be that, but it is what it is.
 
It is honestly hard to rank him. He fought and lost to guys that I thought he shouldn't have lost to. Even top 5 is tough because what happens to guys like Mir. We used to rank guys like Randy, Werdum JDS, Crocop and Cain very highly. AA is another one. He used to be one of the greats but I don't think he even shows up in any discussion. He is gone with Big Tim and Barnett.

Nog was second best during his Pride run. I think he was shot when he got the UFC. He won the interim but he was lit up by Tim. I haven't seen the fight in a long time but I was worried he wasn't going to beat Tim. He had issues with Heath and it's a person he beat before.
 
Nog fought Sapp under specific rules to give him every advantage like that Sapp couldn't knee or kick a downed opponent like was otherwise allowed in Pride. The piledriver literally happened because Sapp couldn't just knee Nog's face in there off his sprawl like he otherwise would've and so had to come up with something else he could do.
Speaking of specific rules, you understand that piledrivers/spiking opponents on their heads/necks like Sapp did to Nogueira is illegal in the UFC/American MMA right?

The piledriver happened literally seconds into the fight... the entire reason Nogueira had to comeback in the fight is because he was practically knocked unconscious from a maneuver that was illegal anywhere but PRIDE.

Or we can discuss how a 150 pound weight difference between two fighters wouldn't even be sanctioned in today's MMA, regardless of what country the fight took place in. So yes knees to the head of a downed opponent were specifcally illegal in the Nog/Sapp fight for fear of a guy dying in the ring (knees to the face of a downed opponent are illegal in the UFC/modern MMA btw. It's only other PRIDE fights where that's allowed).

You're such a goofball lol
 
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Speaking of specific rules, you understand that piledrivers/spiking opponents on their heads/necks like Sapp did to Nogueira is illegal in the UFC/American MMA right?

The piledriver happened literally seconds into the fight... the entire reason Nogueira had to comeback in the fight is because he was practically knocked unconscious from a maneuver that was illegal anywhere but PRIDE.

Or we can discuss how a 150 pound weight difference between two fighters wouldn't even be sanctioned in today's MMA, regardless of what country the fight took place in. So yes knees to the head of a downed opponent were specifcally illegal in the Nog/Sapp fight for fear of a guy dying in the ring (knees to the face of a downed opponent are illegal in the UFC/modern MMA btw. It's only other PRIDE fights where that's allowed).

You're such a goofball lol
You have no comeback for Nog asking for rules to kimit SAPP, not the other way atound, The piledraiver hapenned becaus Nog shot bon Sappp and he couldn;t knee due to fake rules.

Cool, but ackonlwedlge it was fake fight
 
The thing about Nog is you'll never get an honest account of him from Sherdog as he by necessity has to be an all time great to further prop up Fedor's wins over him. If he's not as good as presented then neither is Fedor. Has nothing really to do with objectively analyzing him.

I'm NOT saying he's not a top 5 HW which seems fairly easy to give him, but this thread is complete proof of it when you see people say shit like he beat Sapp and Mirko. Nog fought Sapp under specific rules to give him every advantage like that Sapp couldn't knee or kick a downed opponent like was otherwise allowed in Pride. The piledriver literally happened because Sapp couldn't just knee Nog's face in there off his sprawl like he otherwise would've and so had to come up with something else he could do. As for Mirko, he beat him before Mirko had taken off and not during his actual run, at the same time as Mirko should've lost to Wand but once again didn't due to Pride special rules, and should've been KO'd in the 1st regardless but the round ended.

Not even going to get into people talking about him declining in 2008 when he was still ranked #2. People act like Timmy flooring him was an anomaly in Nog's career. Yet go back and praise him surviving Sapp's pile driver, Mirko's head kick, and others. Make up your minds. Either he's known for his recovery or he's not. Mir KOing Nog was still seen as an impossibility and was an enormous upset at the time. And Nog still came back and beat Randy in his very next fight, looking the best he had in a long time. He was still ranked #2 when Cain KO'd him, that's literally the entire reason Cain got a title shot lmao.

People have enormous rose tinted glasses when it comes to Pride and Nog is no different. Give him a top 5, wherever you want to put him besides #1 as he can't possibly be that, but it is what it is.
Big Nog beat Mirko when Cop was ranked #3 in the world and was in his 20s. Cro Cop went on to win the 2006 OWGP.

Big Nog beat Barnett when he was ranked #4 and in his 20s. Barnett went on to go on an 11 fight win streak and fought for the Strikeforce HWGP champion- losing to DC who went on to being a UFC champion.

Big Nog beat Werdum when he was ranked #7 in the world and in his 20s. Werdum went on to beat Fedor and Cain to become a UFC HW champion.

Big Nog beat Sergei when he was ranked #5 and in his 20s and considered to be the next big thing at HW. Sergei went on to beat guys like Arlovski and Reem before they went on nice runs of their own.

Big Nog beat Herring when he was ranked #3 and in his 20s. Very underrated win. Herring was tough as hell.

Big Nog beat Tim Sylvia when he was a top 5 HW and a top 3 HW in UFC. A guy many UFC fans would take it to the Pride guys.

Big Nog beat Coleman when he was just 2 years removed from winning the 2000 HWGP.

Big Nog armlocked Hendo and got revenge for that robbery from RINGS.

By the time Nog landed in the UFC he had 35 fights and if you don't count his losses to Fedor, he would have been 32-1 with no unavenged losses while consistently fighting the best HWs in there world at their absolute peaks.

Easily the best HW ever after Fedor. You're just an absolute imbecile.
 
This is just an opinion side piece because I can't find something on the rankings from then, but I think there was a spot where Nog was number 1.

After Coleman won the GP, he was considered the man again. Then Nog tapped him out, as well as a string of other people, including avenging his only career "loss" to Dan Henderson.

Especially after the Hendo fight, he probably had a strong argument for being number 1.

For sure.

Handy was ranked number 1 but he lost his belt to Barnett the next month after the rankings came out (even though Barnetto tested positive).

For sure, Nog was at number 1.

yes, i'm pretty sure after Nog beat Coleman he was considered the #1 HW in the world.
 
Speaking of specific rules, you understand that piledrivers/spiking opponents on their heads/necks like Sapp did to Nogueira is illegal in the UFC/American MMA right?

The piledriver happened literally seconds into the fight... the entire reason Nogueira had to comeback in the fight is because he was practically knocked unconscious from a maneuver that was illegal anywhere but PRIDE.

Or we can discuss how a 150 pound weight difference between two fighters wouldn't even be sanctioned in today's MMA, regardless of what country the fight took place in. So yes knees to the head of a downed opponent were specifcally illegal in the Nog/Sapp fight for fear of a guy dying in the ring (knees to the face of a downed opponent are illegal in the UFC/modern MMA btw. It's only other PRIDE fights where that's allowed).

You're such a goofball lol

i don't even think the rules affected Sapp. he wasn't going to unload knees on Nog. he was too big for that. he was always going to try to smash Nog with punches. the other thing is, is that even true that Sapp couldn't do those things? because Sapp looked like he was thinking about flying stomping Nog on the ground and basically knee/shin dropped Nog in the face while Nog was trying to kneebar him from the bottom.
 
Never understood how anyone can rank Stipe ahead of Nog.

Nog beat guys in their prime. Stipe dispatched senior citizens.

I will give you my reasoning.

The biggest factor for me is that Stipe was the #1 HW from 2010 to 2020 decode. There were several great HW's , but considering wins, record and title defenses, Stipe was the top guy. The UFC was the premier and top organization by far in MMA that decade. And he is the UFC HW goat. So considering those two things, I think it's fair to put Stipe #2 all time. I can't have the best HW of the last 10-12 years, which is a substantial time in mma, not be #2.

The other is that Stipe is the most accomplished MMA HW champion. Most defenses and title wins.

Stipe beat guys at their best and in title fights and that's what counts. The fact that Werdum was 38 is not relevant, he was HW champion. Beating Cormier 2x in his late 30s and early 40s counts big time, Cormier was HW champion. Same with JDS and Reem, these were all HW title fights. Those wins count for more than beating Cro Cop, Werdum and Sergei at the time Nog beat them. So Stipe's wins hold more value beause they were title fights vs the top proven opponents.
 
Speaking of specific rules, you understand that piledrivers/spiking opponents on their heads/necks like Sapp did to Nogueira is illegal in the UFC/American MMA right?

The piledriver happened literally seconds into the fight... the entire reason Nogueira had to comeback in the fight is because he was practically knocked unconscious from a maneuver that was illegal anywhere but PRIDE.

Or we can discuss how a 150 pound weight difference between two fighters wouldn't even be sanctioned in today's MMA, regardless of what country the fight took place in. So yes knees to the head of a downed opponent were specifcally illegal in the Nog/Sapp fight for fear of a guy dying in the ring (knees to the face of a downed opponent are illegal in the UFC/modern MMA btw. It's only other PRIDE fights where that's allowed).

You're such a goofball lol
That move is not illegal

It's amazing sherdoggers never learn anything here
 
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