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Nog vs Sergei 18 years ago

NoSmilez said:
Central Asian games is bigger BS. I think they only had it 4-5 times in its entire history. Sergey competed in the one that was cancelled the year before. He competed in 2003 and they never had one again until 2021. I think he fought one guy for the medal.
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Kharitonov qualified for Olympics by winning silver medail in Asian boxing championships (entire Asia) in Phillipines in january of 2004, not by Central Asian games.
 
Central Asian circuit includes countries like Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan which have historically had great amateur boxing programs. That no smilez guy is just spewing nonsense.

When someone says "I think" and "I can't remember " after making claims you know it's nonsense.
 
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NoSmilez said:
I am looking based on his actual amateur record. It isn't crazy extensive. https://boxrec.com/en/amateurboxer/870518
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Who cares? He was still a very good boxer by MMA standards and could have pursued it on a serious level if he wanted to. The point of this thread was to illustrate that he was very well rounded, not that he was the next Tyson Fury. You must be the life of the party. Smh.
 
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Jewish Lightning said:
The intensity of the final minute of this fight and seemlessness and smoothness in the final scramble on the ground was on a higher level than anything you will see from most (if not all) HW fights in the UFC today. How is that the sport has evolved so much yet most of if not almost all of the top 10 HWs of today don't come close to demonstrating this kind technique, awareness and overall intensity of fighting? How has the HW division regressed so much?
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I would say a fight like that would be pretty comparable to Jiri Prochazka vs Vadim Nemkov in Rizin.

Kharitonov vs Nogueira was an amazing fight, but you can't pretend like there's nothing comparable today.
 
Jewish Lightning said:
Who cares man? He was still a very good boxer by MMA standards and could have pursued it on a serious level if he wanted to. The point of this thread was to illustrate that he was very well rounded, not that he was the next Tyson Fury. You must be the life of the party. Smh.
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Why are you so angry? Now it is who cares. Whatever. Good day.
 
Jewish Lightning said:
Good comparison and impressive considering they were LHWs fighting a decade later.
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Jiri vs Nemkov was not contested at light heavyweight. It was contested at 100kg (220lbs). The size of all 4 guys is comparable.
 
Jewish Lightning said:
No one is angry you're just coming off as a weirdo pseudo know it all. English not your first language I take it.
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Oh yea. He is not a master of sports in Sambo. Go fume more.
I didn't realize you are the thread starter before.
 
Jewish Lightning said:
Came here to bitch about bitching and called it "a waste of energy " smh
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I didn't come here to bitch about bitching. I came here to see what you had to say about Nog vs Sergei and then I saw that it was a disguised whine thread about the HW division, so I stated that that seems to happen a lot lately. Just an observation.
 
Iroh said:
I didn't come here to bitch about bitching i came here to see what you had to say about Nog vs Sergei and then I saw that it was a disguised whine thread about the HW division, so I stated that that seems to happen a lot lately. Just an observation.
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Waste of energy.
 
Iroh said:
Nah, as long as it's not negative, it has some social value to me.
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Cool story my hypocritical brather. This is an MMA forum, sorry if observations/opinions about one era being superior to another era ruffles your feathers.
 
Jewish Lightning said:
Cool story my hypocritical brather. This is an MMA forum, sorry if observations/opinions about one era being superior to another era ruffles your feathers.
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It doesn't ruffle my feathers. Never said you couldn't do so. I gave an observation and opinion. You seem to take it really personally though. It isn't.
 
EndlessCritic said:
I would say a fight like that would be pretty comparable to Jiri Prochazka vs Vadim Nemkov in Rizin.

Kharitonov vs Nogueira was an amazing fight, but you can't pretend like there's nothing comparable today.
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Not sure I really see that comparison, Nemkov/Jiri is a very fun match but a significantly less slick one technically, espeically in the standup.
 
pankrat said:
Very good fight, one of the best at the time from a technical standpoint.

Now, if you think that double leg Nog take Sergei down with would even remotely succed vs the much biggeer Francis, or even Gané, you are fooling yourself.
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Pretty sure most HWs from that era would be able to hit takedowns on both. Especially given the ten minute rounds and frenetic pace.
 
moreorless87 said:
Not sure I really see that comparison, Nemkov/Jiri is a very fun match but a significantly less slick one technically, espeically in the standup.
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Good post. I love Nemkov and Jiri but their boxing in that fight wasn't nearly as technical as the boxing of Nog and Sergei. Jiri had really poor habits in those days and was getting KOd by King Mo counters. There are levels to this shit.
 
moreorless87 said:
Honestly I think Nogs explosive double leg is probably the most underrated part of his game, it could look a little ragged sometimes but others it was very effective indeed and is the kind of thing few fighters atempt today.

I don't think thats just because its easy to shut down but rather because a lot of HW's lack the speed/cardio to use that gameplan and indeed are afraid of potentially being reversed is the scamble.

I think a lot of modern fighters really there takedown defence is more about backing up to the cage when someone clinchs of has a single or them or if they are taken down to "just stand up". Fighters able to fight like Mirko did vs Nog really are rare in todays sport IMHO, able to control distance and sprall out of double leg atempts plus of course Nog did get him down in the end.
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Excuse but that's not a very explosive double leg, and Sergei showed flaws on his TDD which are even more evident in Nog's second succesful TD.

A lot of HWs lack of what you say, but we are talking about Nog who was the #2 HW at the time, so compare him with his modern counterpart. I think it's harder to get deep in a double leg vs Gané due to his movement and size. If you think that jab to double leg is a move not attainable by modern athletes, or that Gane would be helpess against that, you are delusional.
Im failrly confident such attempt vs Ngannou would not look so explosive nor would it be effective.

Not sure why you think its rare to see guys today able to control distances and sprawl. I'd actually say that's the aspect of the game that has improved the most due to UFC's interest on promoting standup fighting.
 
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