International No, the Nazis were not 'liberal' or 'left wing', and in 2021 this shouldn't have to be repeated.

Mila is My World said:
Not that I don't expect to see some historical illiteracy or miseducation from time to time, but seeing this dishonest myth pushed over and over again by fully grown men in America is becoming a level of ridiculous that has gone past humorous.

The modern idea that Hitler and the Nazis were 'liberal socialists' (wtf does that even mean) is not an idea pushed by historians or even people who have a passing familiarity on the era of Nazi Germany.
It is pushed by pretty much entirely by one man as far as modern discourse is concerned:

STEVEN CROWDER



Every single ridiculous point made in this video is refuted specifically in this response here:



"This idea that Nazis were left-wing is just self-serving fantasy. There's no milder way of putting it. The NSDAP members occupied the seats of parliament which were literally the farthest to the right, and to the left were other nationalists, conservatives, liberals, social democrats, and communists. It was a totally unambiguous fact to everyone in Germany at the time.

Each European nation's fascist movement were comprised of former conservatives/former conservative voters. The NSDAP (Nazi Party) gained popularity at the expense of Germany's other right-wing parties in the early 1930's. The German People's Party, German National People's Party, and most splinter right-wing parties saw almost all of their support transfer to the Nazis."

Steven Crowder has zero knowledge on strasserism, the night of the long knives or Hitler's deeply personal and well documented hate of communists. Don't be Crowder, do your fucking research.
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Here is where the comparison to Nazi agenda and 2021 is particularly relevant.

Spoken by a child (Jewish) survivor of Nazi Germany.

First 15 minutes covers it in broad strokes.

Edit. Go to start of video.

 
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Rainer said:
Here is where the comparison to Nazi agenda and 2021 is particularly relevant.

Spoken by a child (Jewish) survivor of Nazi Germany.

First 15 minutes covers it in broad strokes.

Edit. Go to start of video.

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Are you trying to equate the covid pandemic with Nazi Germany? Are you really this stupid?
 
AndroidRage said:
Are you trying to equate the covid pandemic with Nazi Germany? Are you really this stupid?
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A Jewish (child) survivor of Nazi Germany is equating the "pandemic" to the build up to Nazi Germany becoming a thang.

First 10-15 minutes of the video covers it.

Are you calling her stupid? Watch the video and stop being so dense.
 
Mila is My World said:
Blame the grown ass men on this forum like @MaxMMA who substitute their education with outrage youtubers.
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Says the man with double yellows. This is the first time I've ever read your screen name or read any of your posts.

Thanks for the free rent. Your skull is both spacious and comfortable.
 
MaxMMA said:
Says the man with double yellows. This is the first time I've ever read your screen name or read any of your posts.

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Alzheimer's kicking in at your age? You don't remember our exchange from the Jim Caviezel thread?

If you want to categorize me remembering you caping for Q supporters as 'rent free' then rock on, dude.
 
Mila is My World said:
Alzheimer's kicking in at your age? You don't remember our exchange from the Jim Caviezel thread?

If you want to categorize me remembering you caping for Q supporters as 'rent free' then rock on, dude.
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No I don't remember, it's a karate forum with few memorable posts or posters.

Capping for q supporters? I don't even know what that means.
 
Didn't read the thread.

So is it decided Hitler and freinds weren't left wing?

Just as a side note. I've seen on here that at least in America the left and right were basically flipped. So could it be during the time of Hitler his position was closer to left?

Obviously in current year this not the even remotely the case..


Edit nevermind. I'm an idiot that makes no sense
 
Rainer said:
A Jewish (child) survivor of Nazi Germany is equating the "pandemic" to the build up to Nazi Germany becoming a thang.

First 10-15 minutes of the video covers it.

Are you calling her stupid? Watch the video and stop being so dense.
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She is saying a lot of stupid things in that video.
Experience with tragedies doesn't make you an expert in anything. You can live through things and still come out of it with little understanding of what you lived through.
And all of your past experiences are not directly relatable and transferrable to your future ones. They only help to shape how you see the world, but that doesn't make your views anymore valid than others. It can do the opposite. You can see Nazism everywhere, as you try to connect the dots and make sense out of the world.
She sounds very similar to the Cubans in Florida that swear Stalin Communism is right around the corner.

There are legitimate conversations and concerns to be had about government power, freedom, viruses, etc. But to compare this global COVID event in any way shape or form to Nazi German is incredibly stupid.
 
SmilinDesperado said:
She is saying a lot of stupid things in that video.
Experience with tragedies doesn't make you an expert in anything. You can live through things and still come out of it with little understanding of what you lived through.
And all of your past experiences are not directly relatable and transferrable to your future ones. They only help to shape how you see the world, but that doesn't make your views anymore valid than others. It can do the opposite. You can see Nazism everywhere, as you try to connect the dots and make sense out of the world.
She sounds very similar to the Cubans in Florida that swear Stalin Communism is right around the corner.

There are legitimate conversations and concerns to be had about government power, freedom, viruses, etc. But to compare this global COVID event in any way shape or form to Nazi German is incredibly stupid.
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I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video.

"Experience with tragedies doesn't make you an expert in anything" - agreed, it doesn't always - and it works both ways... I'd also add - that someone who literally lived through it, will understand certain things better than say - someone who's only knowledge of it is from reading a book about it. Yes it can go the way you say.... But it can also result in a deeper understanding, a level of expertise that those that didn't go through it simply wont have the same level of understanding as.

You and I have different ears, she doesn't sound Cuban like at all to me, she also sounds intelligent and considered to back up her experiences.

"There are legitimate conversations and concerns to be had about government power, freedom, viruses, etc"

Yes, intense censorship, loss of essential freedoms, medicalised tyranny, an enemy class and hero class, insane levels of propoganda, a gradual erosion of said freedoms....

There ARE a lot of conversations to be had, especially around this virus and the response to it. Which by any sane cost-benefit analysis, simply does not add up.

One of the tricks I believe, is to observe the actions first, narrative second. The picture being painted is very clear if one does that.

She isn't saying things lightly, and the man interviewing her is currently in court against the German government.

And yes, I absolutely agree with her. She's the proverbial Canary singing in the coal mine, but it's three or four generations since anyone died of carbon monoxide positioning, and anyway - the owner of the mine said there's no more danger down there anyway - and no one listens..
 
Rainer said:
I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video.

"Experience with tragedies doesn't make you an expert in anything" - agreed, it doesn't always - and it works both ways... I'd also add - that someone who literally lived through it, will understand certain things better than say - someone who's only knowledge of it is from reading a book about it. Yes it can go the way you say.... But it can also result in a deeper understanding, a level of expertise that those that didn't go through it simply wont have the same level of understanding as.

You and I have different ears, she doesn't sound Cuban like at all to me, she also sounds intelligent and considered to back up her experiences.

"There are legitimate conversations and concerns to be had about government power, freedom, viruses, etc"

Yes, intense censorship, loss of essential freedoms, medicalised tyranny, an enemy class and hero class, insane levels of propoganda, a gradual erosion of said freedoms....

There ARE a lot of conversations to be had, especially around this virus and the response to it. Which by any sane cost-benefit analysis, simply does not add up.

One of the tricks I believe, is to observe the actions first, narrative second. The picture being painted is very clear if one does that.

She isn't saying things lightly, and the man interviewing her is currently in court against the German government.

And yes, I absolutely agree with her. She's the proverbial Canary singing in the coal mine, but it's three or four generations since anyone died of carbon monoxide positioning, and anyway - the owner of the mine said there's no more danger down there anyway - and no one listens..
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I agree that experience can most definitely be an invaluable gift in seeing and understanding things. But it's a gift that not everyone has.

I was careful to not call her stupid. She is well spoken, and I understand how she came to her conclusions, but I think that the comparison is inappropriate and inaccurate. Whether it's the left or the right, this constant need to compare everything to the absolute worst thing we can think of isn't healthy or helpful. The root of what Nazism was about makes it completely inappropriate as a comparison when talking about most of these things surrounding COVID, imo.
All these kinds of comparisons do is halt conversation.
We'd get a lot further if we just addressed the very real issues that exist and stopped trying to compare them to the worst, evil moments in human history.
 
SmilinDesperado said:
I agree that experience can most definitely be an invaluable gift in seeing and understanding things. But it's a gift that not everyone has.

I was careful to not call her stupid. She is well spoken, and I understand how she came to her conclusions, but I think that the comparison is inappropriate and inaccurate. Whether it's the left or the right, this constant need to compare everything to the absolute worst thing we can think of isn't healthy or helpful. The root of what Nazism was about makes it completely inappropriate as a comparison when talking about most of these things surrounding COVID, imo.
All these kinds of comparisons do is halt conversation.
We'd get a lot further if we just addressed the very real issues that exist and stopped trying to compare them to the worst, evil moments in human history.
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Cool, we agree that experience can be a double edged sword.

On one hand, one can project xyz everywhere, on the other - one can have a deep and profound understanding on the topic.

It seems we agree she is intelligent.

Your next points, I generally agree with, in so much that many "isms" and "ists" are used too freely and too cheaply these last, very polarising years.

With regards to the lady in question. IF she had survived such, horrors, and this was the first time she had made such comments (i.e. not saying something similar every few years/crisis), would that be an indication of something.

Likewise is it possible, that she is a person not embroiled in the current political, polarised, sensationalist bollocks.... And that she is not acting from such a place?

If she has no track record of making these statements over her many years, and bearing in mind her poise and experience, is it possible that what she is saying might be worth considering?

I agree generally, that addressing issues as issues, and not going full retard at the slightest provocation is much needed these days.

And I believe, it just may be possible that what she is saying carries its own weight, that we might be wise to consider.
 
"Fascism" has seen a definition change over time where they added "right wing". Most older dictionaries do not make that distinction.

The Left are acting like Nazis in many ways.
 
Whippy McGee said:
"Fascism" has seen a definition change over time where they added "right wing". Most older dictionaries do not make that distinction.

The Left are acting like Nazis in many ways.
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The left have built an intellectual house of cards and they protect it by continuously altering definitions and moving goal posts.

"You're acting like a fascist"
"How can I be a fascist? To be fascism it has to be right wing, and I'm a proud liberal!"
"Explain how your behaviour and beliefs differ from how fascism is defined."
"I already told you, fascism is right wing! I'm a liberal!"

Okie doke!
 
DoctorDeelon said:
I don't know, the Nazis have a lot in common with today's liberal in how they censored speech and stripped gun rights lol
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Nazis were incredibly pro-gun when it game to the native germans. They just didn't want jews having guns (for obvious reasons).

Do you actually know anything about Nazi history or are you repeating Steven Crowder's debunked talking points?
 
Mila is My World said:
They just didn't want jews having guns (for obvious reasons).
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And you wouldn't call that "stripping gun rights"? I know you have your little pre-loaded facts that I'm sure you love to repeat Ad Nauseam to anyone lucky enough to come into contact with you (lol), but they don't really apply to what I said so you're kinda looking stupid right now.
 
DoctorDeelon said:
The left have built an intellectual house of cards and they protect it by continuously altering definitions and moving goal posts.

"You're acting like a fascist"
"How can I be a fascist? To be fascism it has to be right wing, and I'm a proud liberal!"
"Explain how your behaviour and beliefs differ from how fascism is defined."
"I already told you, fascism is right wing! I'm a liberal!"

Okie doke!
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Exactly. It's an Orwellian tactic... "NewSpeak", where they redefine words to control communication and thought.

I do think there is some mistakes being made here.

Liberals are not the same as Leftists.

The Leftists are acting like Nazis. The Liberals are distancing themselves from these Leftists.

Liberal = Jimmy Dore, Krystal Ball, etc.

Leftists = Nancy Pelosi, MSM, Rachel Maddow
 
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