International No, the Nazis were not 'liberal' or 'left wing', and in 2021 this shouldn't have to be repeated.

It's similar to how they argue oh, the Nazis were big government therefore leftist. When 1, big government isn't right or left, and 2, it's impossible to gear up for war without big government.
They're the same people that don't know the difference of "democracy" and "republic" and how the two aren't interchangeable in their stupid "We're not a democracy, we're a republic".

Always so cringe when they do that. Might as well say "uhhhh it's not actually a sugar, we're baking a cake."
 
Oh it would be one thing if he could attack what I'm saying. Instead, he got TRIGGERED hard core because I used all caps on some words I wanted to emphasize...

Oh the horror!

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You bastard! You're supposed to bold and underline those. :D
 
RE: nazi social programs:

So i happened to be listening to a podcast on Alfred Krupp and help hammer home the point that the Nazi social programs are an extension of right-wing thinking and not originating from left-wing/marxism/whatever. Alfred Krupp was a far right capitalist who virtually invented Germany's whole steel industry. He was severely paranoid, hated communism, hated socialists, hated unions and (like most right-wing nuts) loved the smell of horse shit. He so hated left-wing policies and thinking that he nearly blew up his own steelworks with dynamite when the socialists had a minor political victory. Anyways, Germany's social safety network that exists today, and many parts of which were copied nearly word for word by the nazis, originates with this dude. To make it as simple as possible, Krupp developed his "General Regulations" for his employees. This laid out a long list of rules for company men to follow as well as the benefits they would receive. To combat unionization Krupp believed that providing benefits to his employees, such as healthcare and a pension, gave him leverage over their politics because he could take everything away from them if he wanted to punish them for leaning left politically (hmmm, not right?). Some of the rules for the employees: 12 hour work day, time cards, alcohol forbidden during work, unions banned, socialist newspapers/paraphernal banned (inside and outside work). Some of the "benefits" employees were given: healthcare (at Krupp owned hospitals), child education (at krupp owned schools), housing (at krupp owned housing), compulsory retirement fund (controlled by krupp). So you can see how Krupp was using this system as a tool to control his workers. This method of control was also extended by the Nazis. For example, Jewish people didn't get benefits from these social programs. Quite the opposite.

I can see why some of the brain-damaged right-wingers among us believe these to be socialist policies, but when you look at their origins and the motivations behind them...

A funny anecdote about Krupp and his hatred of socialists is he was one of the first industrialist/capitalists to spy on his employees looking for unionization and socialist activity. He hired inspectors to go through everything from trash to used toilet paper to look for clues. He ended up firing a nigh watchman with decades of time with the company because the watchmen's sandwich was wrapped using a socialist newspaper.

gotta love lefty mental gymnastics

the argument went from:

nazis were called socialists, but they weren't really socialists

to

k, nazis were socialists, but socialism is right wing...

you cant make this up
 
gotta love lefty mental gymnastics

the argument went from:

nazis were called socialists, but they weren't really socialists

to

k, nazis were socialists, but socialism is right wing...

you cant make this up
That isn't the argument but we have low expectations of you.
 
Thank you. This really clears things up. I've always thought Hitler and Bernie had similar views.

Bernie is a globalist socialist. Hitler was a national socialist. Big difference, bro.
 
  1. HISTORICAL
    a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party.


adjective


Ok
 
Instead of controlling the means of production or redistributing wealth to build a utopian society, the Nazis focused on safeguarding a social and racial hierarchy. They promised solidarity for members of the Volksgemeinschaft (“racial community”) even as they denied rights to those outside the charmed circle.
 
Instead of controlling the means of production or redistributing wealth to build a utopian society, the Nazis focused on safeguarding a social and racial hierarchy. They promised solidarity for members of the Volksgemeinschaft (“racial community”) even as they denied rights to those outside the charmed circle.

That's not all true- about 20% of the largest companies in Germany were owned by Jews in the early 30s. They obviously were dispossessed of their property. They weren't necessarily safeguarding the hierarchy that existed in the 20s- they were changing it in important ways, like the German Labor Front becoming an omnibus union. This is what I was getting at earlier in the thread. The Nazis were right-wing (pro-inequality) but not conservative (pro status quo or wanting to "go back"). There were other conservatives in Germany at the time that were both right-wing and conservative- they tended to want to return the monarchy to power, guarantee certain feudal rights, etc. Hitler made peace with these people, but earlier on the NSDAP was actively opposed to them, and they to it. In the Horst Wessel lied, the lyrics go:

"Raise the flag! The ranks tightly closed!
The SA marches with calm, steady step.
Comrades shot by the Red Front and reactionaries
March in spirit within our ranks."
 
Do you seriously equate Germany to N fucking Korea?

Yes, I'm comparing two extremely authoritarian political parties with names that attempt to describe their political positions.

Now why do you trust the nazi party that they are socialist but not the DPRK that they are democratic.

Give me some actual reasons, don't just act smug and dismissive.
 
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