International No, the Nazis were not 'liberal' or 'left wing', and in 2021 this shouldn't have to be repeated.

[Son of Ireland 34]

This isn't a thread about Stalin, especially not about him being good. It's about the character of the nazis politically.

Yes I know. Its just hilarious that Nazi has because such a political insult, that the right is trying to flip the historical script, and hurl it back at the left. Communist should be just has bad a smear as Nazi.

 

[hillelslovak87]

Yes I know. Its just hilarious that Nazi has because such a political insult, that the right is trying to flip the historical script, and hurl it back at the left. Communist should be just has bad a smear as Nazi.

Well, that's.......a take.

 

[Neph]

"Generally, the left-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism" while the right-wing is characterized by an emphasis on "notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism".

 

[GearSolidMetal]

"I know Hitler killed Gregor Strasser because he wanted to purge the left wing of the party, but they're basically the same guy amirite?"

After leading off with "Well it doesn't matter if the quote wasn't said by Hitler, it's still true".

Come the fuck on son, you're not that dumb.

And then he used slavery and terrorism to eradicate all socialists and marxists in Europe.

Pretty sure that was Strasser too, not Hitler.

People have been attributing that quote FALSELY, because Hitler was not a fucking leftist and right wingers like yourself have a compulsive need to deflect from the harm of right wing dogma.

Uhh, that’s not an actual Hitler quote. Can you righties make the slightest effort to actually research shit and balk the notion that all your knowledge of history and politics isn’t based on memes made by 14 year olds?

Okay real talk, do you, @rob mafia or @Mcountry think that is a real quote from hitler? Don't pivot.

Been busy this afternoon so I couldn't respond to you all.

Regarding the supposed Strasser quote, its humorous in this day and age that ya'll think celebrities should be cancelled for liking right-wing tweets... but Adolf Hitler being in the leadership of the early Nazi party with Strasser, who said that supposed quote attributed to Hitler, makes Hitler completely not guilty by association, and he never refuted he was his fellow Nazi leader's claims of what socialism is... even after Hitler killed them for not supporting him as the ultimate leader of the party.

Humorous indeed the standards you have for some, yet you reach so hard to the point of your shoulders being dislocated to not have Hitler be associated with the world 'Socialism.' Are there any other Nazis you could name that wasn't socialists, or just their leader?

Oh sure, Hitler lead socialists but wasn't actually one himself. That's believable.

This is why you all can't be trusted with history. Zero critical thinking.

Anyway, beyond that supposed Strasser quote, have there been any actual quotes by Hitler in his speeches or book that he directly claims to be socialist without any credible claims of mistranslation?

Yes, there are.

"Any idea may be a source of danger if it be looked upon as an end in itself, when really it is only the means to an end. For me and for all genuine National-Socialists there is only one doctrine. PEOPLE AND FATHERLAND."
-Mein Kampf 182
https://mk.christogenea.org/references/page-125

“If we are socialists, then we must definitely be anti-semites – and the opposite, in that case, is Materialism and Mammonism, which we seek to oppose.” “How, as a socialist, can you not be an anti-semite?
- Public speech in Munich in August 1920.
https://fee.org/articles/anti-racists-should-think-twice-about-allying-with-socialism/

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions" (Toland, 1976, p. 306).
The Biography of Adolf Hitler by John Toland.
https://archive.org/details/adolfhitler00tola/page/n11/mode/2up

So, go ahead, come up with whatever excuses you can come up with to dodge not only one, but three, quotes of Hitler publicly claiming to be 'socialist.'

Here's one - 'Nazism wasn't real socialism.'

 

[Mila is My World]

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

― George Orwell, 1984

George Orwell unlike Hitler, was a socialist.

 

[evansusmc2]

I got no problem with Crowder. Really don’t care what anonymous faceless keyboardists on this board say about me over it.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

George Orwell unlike Hitler, was a socialist.

Everyone but Hitler was a socialist.

 

[RetiredSlave]

The directions change all the time. Nazis were Nazis.

 

[grimballer]

Since you dodged it yet again: Why, if the nazis were left leaning, why were their primary targets the left, minorities and the media, and why did their leader rail against the left in his manifesto?

oh yes, the night of long knives... when communist group known as brownshirts were targeted...

i guess you never heard of stalin and his purges or mao and his purges... how about pol pol?

all right wingers, right?

 

[hillelslovak87]

oh yes, the night of long knives... when communist group known as brownshirts were targeted...

i guess you never heard of stalin and his purges or mao and his purges... how about pol pol?

all right wingers, right?

Why do you keep bringing up communists in reference to the ideology of fascism? Of course Stalin and Mao had purges. Your point?

Yet again, for like the 7th time: Why were the nazi's primary enemies the left, the media and immigrants?

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Not that I don't expect to see some historical illiteracy or miseducation from time to time, but seeing this dishonest myth pushed over and over again by fully grown men in America is becoming a level of ridiculous that has gone past humorous.

The modern idea that Hitler and the Nazis were 'liberal socialists' (wtf does that even mean) is not an idea pushed by historians or even people who have a passing familiarity on the era of Nazi Germany.
It is pushed by pretty much entirely by one man as far as modern discourse is concerned:

STEVEN CROWDER



Every single ridiculous point made in this video is refuted specifically in this response here:



"This idea that Nazis were left-wing is just self-serving fantasy. There's no milder way of putting it. The NSDAP members occupied the seats of parliament which were literally the farthest to the right, and to the left were other nationalists, conservatives, liberals, social democrats, and communists. It was a totally unambiguous fact to everyone in Germany at the time.

Each European nation's fascist movement were comprised of former conservatives/former conservative voters. The NSDAP (Nazi Party) gained popularity at the expense of Germany's other right-wing parties in the early 1930's. The German People's Party, German National People's Party, and most splinter right-wing parties saw almost all of their support transfer to the Nazis."

Steven Crowder has zero knowledge on strasserism, the night of the long knives or Hitler's deeply personal and well documented hate of communists. Don't be Crowder, do your fucking research.

National Socialists were indeed leftist on economic policy, though.

 

[tonni]

Do you know that bringing a diagram from a blogspot page, that isn't an actual argument, and neither is simply lumping the nazis into a moral category that fits your personal definition?

I've asked like 4 times now, and you haven't deigned to answer, but I'll ask again:

Why, if the nazis were left wing, did they specifically target the left, minorities and the media? How did a party led by a man who explicitly disdained the left and advertised these beliefs in his manifesto (easily the most popular book in the nation during the nazi period) be leftist?

Are you still tripped up on the nazis somehow being socialists and leftists because it was in the party name? Surely you can't be that stupid.

Then again, you were one of the most hardline stop the steal guys...........

He's an idiot and a sexual deviant.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

As with everything - it's complicated. You can't just put everyone into left or right boxes. Hitler had some socialist ideas, he was a populist and of course, an authoritarian. This notion that you are either all left wing or all right wing is a new concept and isn't based on reality.

Probably the best somewhat simple classifcation I'v seen....

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

 

[ShinkanPo]

I dunno, it often kind of feels like people are 'low key' advocating atrocities. I mean, we do have a fixed GENOCIDE warning on this subforum every time you refresh the browser page. Every. Single. Time.

Spoiler

Yeah.. that Warning not to support genocide jesus.

I wonder who are the folks who really went over the top I saw very few mostly whitebelters grift accounts.

But I guess the Website wants to protect its image and as part of Craves Marketing policy tjey have to explicitly known that this company does not in anyway tolerate violent rethoric.

 

[rob mafia]

Why do you keep bringing up communists in reference to the ideology of fascism? Of course Stalin and Mao had purges. Your point?

Yet again, for like the 7th time: Why were the nazi's primary enemies the left, the media and immigrants?

funny, the mises quote i pasted a few times kinda covered this... no one really wants to debate about that one, though.

for starters, after the great depression, lefty shit was popular. hence, commies vs socialists vs fascists. right-wing shit didn't have much support. the national people's party was the most notable right-wing party, and they weren't all that significant.

secondly, once the nazis had power, the biggest threat to hitler was other nazis - especially rohm. also, right-wingers were targeted in the night of long knives, as well.

on a related note, since someone brought this up... strasser had left the nazi party prior to getting whacked.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

What about "Hereditary monarch" is hard for you to understand? Napoleon was an autocrat. That's why he's right wing. Yet again, literally a monarch. To this day the House of Bonaparte claims the Imperial title of France lmfao.

The left-right spectrum is about concentration of power, stupid. To the right is Monarchy, supreme rule by one person. To the left is Anarchy, a stateless, moneyless, and classless society (see: decentralized power).

That you seem to have a hard time with that in your derptonic brain isn't my fault. Also I love how we just whitewash the 3.5 million deaths in the Napoleonic Wars like it's just a quick speed bump. Yeah everything is great if you ignore all the bad stuff lmao.

Hysterical. You've glossed over public education, constitutional liberalism and vast economic reforms and defaulted straight to "hE wAs A mOnArChIsT dUm dUm!" The only metric you are using which is now full well on display is power.

This isn't too surprising coming from a leftist since you people are so pathetically deprived of power yourselves generally speaking but the fact is the spectrum isn't absolute and it certainly isn't about concentration of power LOL.

Using your logic, any left wing dictator of the past century is the same as Napoleon. Stalin, Mao, Kim Jong il, Paul pot etc.

And there are two versions of the anarchic state, stupid. There is a right version and a left version. One is individualistic and the other is collectivist and you seem to have misinterpreted that as somehow meaning concentration of power.

People like you and the attention deprived @Jack V Savage look at anything left of Communism as right wing.

 

[grimballer]

Why do you keep bringing up communists in reference to the ideology of fascism? Of course Stalin and Mao had purges. Your point?

Yet again, for like the 7th time: Why were the nazi's primary enemies the left, the media and immigrants?

the point is dictators target ppl which makes your point irrelevant....

now like i said nazis were nationalist socialist, so of course they had nationalist elements, but their program was socialist.

they were anti marxist, but also against capitalism.

look at their social programs... you call that right wing?

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

LOL @Jack V Savage is playing hide and go seek with the blood stained history of the Democrats. The reality is that the Dems are the party of slavery, KKK and eugenics both in the North and South. And he claims it's a game for the Republicans....you know the party of emancipation and all.......to rightfully point it out.

That's next level delusion.

 

[Kid Quick]

You're not here to learn anything either--you obviously have a poor understanding of what socialism is.

Socialism is where you take my tax money and give it to a bum, or a rich bastard.

 

[Le Mercenaire]

He said really disgusting, hateful things to @Curmudgeon.

Sadly, I missed what he said to him. One of those WTF sherdog moments you can’t believe are real.