Law No more nationwide injunctions from district judges

[oldshadow]

But if the order is to barge into your home and take your guns, the damage is done, it can't be fixed.

Like with any crime you try to prevent it but mostly you punish afterwards.

In the situation you described most like people will fight it and they will have a hard time getting anyone to go to take guns.

I understand what you are saying but with freedom comes chance of bad people.

However that doesn't mean we should destroy our system to prevent any and every bad thing from possibly happening.

 

[Rod1]

I don’t know how I feel about the ruling. On one hand, it feels like the courts have become too heavily politicized and activist oriented. The pendulum will swing both ways. On the other, I like the limitation on executive orders especially in matters of constitutional rights.

No bro, America is exceptional, walking the path that every failed democracy from Venezuela to Russia passing through Turkey and pretty much all of Latin America will surely and without a doubt produce different results because America is built different its the only country where you will be able to have full blown dictatorship while keeping your freedoms intact because these people care about you, the common man.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Yeah the more I read about this the less I like it. There just aren't enough limiting executives overreach

 

[Rod1]

Like with any crime you try to prevent it but mostly you punish afterwards.

In the situation you described most like people will fight it and they will have a hard time getting anyone to go to take guns.

If you have to defend your rights from government with violence then government already failed.

I understand what you are saying but with freedom comes chance of bad people.

How is giving the president the ability to literally carry out EOs with zero recourse considered "freedom"

However that doesn't mean we should destroy our system to prevent any and every bad thing from possibly happening.

But that's exactly what's happening, this isn't about the Constitutionality of some laws which at least need to be consented by the People (represented by Congress and Senate as per the Constitution), this is about the Constitutionally of fucking EOs, something the president can fire at will on a whim.

A president can create 1,000 EOs in a day and the notion that all of them need to reach the SCOTUS before a limit has to be placed on the president is ridiculou.

Im sure you as an American have been said that you guys are EXCEPTIONAL that you somehow are immune to what the rest of the world has threaded, but take it from someone that lives in a shithole flawed democracy, this path isn't new it has been threated over and over through history and it always end up in the same place.

 

[Rod1]

Yeah the more I read about this the less I like it. There just aren't enough limiting executives overreach

SCOTUS is playing a very dangerous game, they are giving Trump dictatorial powers while placing themselves as the only arbiter of what Trump can or can't do, thinking they may be able to control him.

Who knows where this is going to end but the only saving grace is that Trump is old as fuck and that JD Vance has negative charisma.

 

[Limbo Pete]

SCOTUS is playing a very dangerous game, they are giving Trump dictatorial powers while placing themselves as the only arbiter of what Trump can or can't do, thinking they may be able to control him.

Who knows where this is going to end but the only saving grace is that Trump is old as fuck and that JD Vance has negative charisma.

Like all hyper reactionary movements, they operate under the premise that the power they take won't be undone, at least not entirely. They definitely don't think they will ever lose the SC. And they won't, so there that is.

 

[Crazy Source]

SCOTUS is playing a very dangerous game, they are giving Trump dictatorial powers while placing themselves as the only arbiter of what Trump can or can't do, thinking they may be able to control him.

Who knows where this is going to end but the only saving grace is that Trump is old as fuck and that JD Vance has negative charisma.

If they are granting a President this power will it set precedent for future Presidents? Or can they just rescind the power that they gave the previous?

 

[Limbo Pete]

If they are granting a President this power will it set precedent for future Presidents? Or can they just rescind the power that they gave the previous?

They have total control on a ruling-by-ruling basis

 

[Rob Battisti]

No bro, America is exceptional, walking the path that every failed democracy from Venezuela to Russia passing through Turkey and pretty much all of Latin America will surely and without a doubt produce different results because America is built different its the only country where you will be able to have full blown dictatorship while keeping your freedoms intact because these people care about you, the common man.

What?

 

[Crazy Source]

They have total control on a ruling-by-ruling basis

I assumed as much. Time to pack it. As soon as the DEMs have control for 2 years it should be #1 on the list.

 

[Crazy Source]

What?

He is speaking of arcs of governments. Some take the position that the U.S. is on a steady decline and we already peaked. I tend to agree. Post WWII was our peak, then corporations started being able to legislate. I blame the boomers. They sopped up the gravy and pissed on those that followed.

 

[Limbo Pete]

I assumed as much. Time to pack it. As soon as the DEMs have control for 2 years it should be #1 on the list.

Oh it's packed already. That's the problem.

 

[DanSavage]

How is giving the president the ability to literally carry out EOs with zero recourse considered "freedom"

EOs are not absolute with zero recourse.

Congress can create a bill to rescind an EO. If the President vetoes the bill, Congress can override the veto with 2/3 of the members present voting. Once done, it becomes law.

The USSC can also rule that an EO is unconstitutional, thus nullifying it.

 

[Rod1]

If they are granting a President this power will it set precedent for future Presidents? Or can they just rescind the power that they gave the previous?

They are granting the President this power while putting themselves above the president, but the power of the SCOTUS relies on the institutional nature of the US government, which they are eroding.

My guess is that they think in the event of a pendulum swing they will just rein the president back in, which is most likely to happen.

The issue with all of this is that someone like Trump is always going to want more and more power and if the SCOTUS eventually gets to a point where they say "Trump may be an issue here" the institutionality of the US government could be so eroded that Trump could ignore the SCOTUS.

This again, is unlikely to happen as these processes take years, Erdorgan, Putin, Chavez they all had plenty of time to do it since they were relatively young when they took power, Trump is old and so far there doesn't seems to be a heir in line that has the same pull as him, so quite likely it dies with him even though the damage will last for a while it can be reversed if people manage to vote normal people back in.

 

[Rod1]

EOs are not absolute with zero recourse.

Congress can create a bill to rescind an EO. If the President vetoes the bill, Congress can override the veto with 2/3 of the members present voting. Once done, it becomes law.

The USSC can also rule that an EO is unconstitutional, thus nullifying it.

Just like someone can't be unmurdered or a woman can't be unraped, EOs that have immediate, irreversible effects can't be fixed.

Also EOs have zero, absolutely zero deliberatibe process unlike those things you mentioned, Trump could just go full gatling gun with these EOs firing tens if not hundreds a day, meanwhile Congress and Judiciary review are by design slow and thorough.

Basically the same as arguing online where you can take tens of minutes writing a perfect response and the other guy can reply "LOL NO U! TRIGGERED" in one second.

 

[Rod1]

What?

The fact that you are concerned about what anyone with a brain from a third world country can recognize as a step towards a dictatorship or at least an authoritarian democracy.

 

[Crazy Source]

They are granting the President this power while putting themselves above the president, but the power of the SCOTUS relies on the institutional nature of the US government, which they are eroding.

My guess is that they think in the event of a pendulum swing they will just rein the president back in, which is most likely to happen.

The issue with all of this is that someone like Trump is always going to want more and more power and if the SCOTUS eventually gets to a point where they say "Trump may be an issue here" the institutionality of the US government could be so eroded that Trump could ignore the SCOTUS.

This again, is unlikely to happen as these processes take years, Erdorgan, Putin, Chavez they all had plenty of time to do it since they were relatively young when they took power, Trump is old and so far there doesn't seems to be a heir in line that has the same pull as him, so quite likely it dies with him even though the damage will last for a while it can be reversed if people manage to vote normal people back in.

To keep my sanity, I look at it from the outside and just make sure my family is doing well. That's a very selfish way of looking at it, however. People's lives are being destroyed for political gain. Meh, I'm on a scheduled substance regimen.

 

[Rod1]

To keep my sanity, I look at it from the outside and just make sure my family is doing well. That's a very selfish way of looking at it, however. People's lives are being destroyed for political gain. Meh, I'm on a scheduled substance regimen.

Ah yes the third world educated man nihilism, welcome to our life, at some point you decide to ignore politics and stop talking about politics with your friends, otherwise its losing your sanity.

 

[Rod1]

Its amazing how far gone the cult has gone that people are cheering that injunctions are being watered down, literally cheering for big government and "please tread on me".

And any of the retards who are reading this and can't understand

Imagine if in MMA when a fighter gets a kick on the nuts or poked in the eye, the UFC said "Refs can't pause fights, the fight will continue until a panel of judges review the replay and decide whether there is a foul or not" meanwhile the fouled guy gets beat the crap out of them.

Even if the panel decides there was a foul, the fight is going to be already over.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

SCOTUS is playing a very dangerous game, they are giving Trump dictatorial powers while placing themselves as the only arbiter of what Trump can or can't do, thinking they may be able to control him.

Who knows where this is going to end but the only saving grace is that Trump is old as fuck and that JD Vance has negative charisma.

Im just baffled bynthe decision because there's really nothing they can do to mitigate Trump, or anyone to come after him, from just overwhelming them with EOs