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No Limit Hold 'Em Poker Discussion

It’s a 100% a call tbh. Not even a discussion. As I say worst case I’m 40% and I’m getting that.

Again, my draw was a decent favorite against the majority of made hands.

The push with AA was obviously a poor play, but you see such things fairly regularly in these games.

We'll agree to disagree. I don't see it as an instacall, again, especially for that size pot. I'd take some time to make that decision.

What makes you so sure that he wasn't trying to bait you with that overbet?
 
We'll agree to disagree. I don't see it as an instacall, again, especially for that size pot. I'd take some time to make that decision.

What makes you so sure that he wasn't trying to bait you with that overbet?

I can’t explain it anymore or any clearer. I am ahead of most of his value hands and the few i’m behind I still have 40%....and I’m getting the odds to call.

It’s not a decision. Folding is just a clear mistake.
 
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I can’t explain it anymore or any clearer. I am ahead of most of his value hands and the few i’m behind I still have 40%....and I’m getting the odds to call.

It’s not a decision. Folding is just a clear mistake.

I understand what you are saying. But when you look at your hand as you described it I don't see it that way for a few reasons.

1. Unless I'm wrong an up and down straight + flush draw is just over 50% to improve to at least a straight by the river.

2. Your read on him put him at an over pair.

-You are a coin flip

-You know he has an over pair which means you must improve to win

-With an over pair he is very likely holding a blocker to one of your flush draws, he has a backdoor flush draw himself

I'd only make that call if my read on him were different. If I put him on a weaker draw or if the pot was bigger then I probably come in. As you described it I probably fold.

A coin flip is a coin flip. I think you were at about 53-55% to improve to a straight or flush. Considering him being ahead, then accounting for some of your outs being in the muck and him possibly having a blocker lowers that.

Again, that overbet reads like a bait or a C-bet trying to shove you off of his big Ace like an AK, which would be a problem for you because in all probability if you land a flush it probably wouldn't be the straight flush.

Like I said, we agree to disagree. I think it's easier to find a fold there when you look at everything including pot size. I appreciate the conversation though. I don't see anyone else breaking down a hand like that. I'll have to double check but if I'm reading your post right your pot odds weren't anything special.

As for his overbet on AA, in that spot he has a lead and knows it. His intention is what makes the difference. Was he trying to shove you off or bait you to pay him off, that's the question.
 
I understand what you are saying. But when you look at your hand as you described it I don't see it that way for a few reasons.

1. Unless I'm wrong an up and down straight + flush draw is just over 50% to improve to at least a straight by the river.

2. Your read on him put him at an over pair.

-You are a coin flip

-You know he has an over pair which means you must improve to win

-With an over pair he is very likely holding a blocker to one of your flush draws, he has a backdoor flush draw himself

I'd only make that call if my read on him were different. If I put him on a weaker draw or if the pot was bigger then I probably come in. As you described it I probably fold.

A coin flip is a coin flip. I think you were at about 53-55% to improve to a straight or flush. Considering him being ahead, then accounting for some of your outs being in the muck and him possibly having a blocker lowers that.

Again, that overbet reads like a bait or a C-bet trying to shove you off of his big Ace like an AK, which would be a problem for you because in all probability if you land a flush it probably wouldn't be the straight flush.

Like I said, we agree to disagree. I think it's easier to find a fold there when you look at everything including pot size. I appreciate the conversation though. I don't see anyone else breaking down a hand like that. I'll have to double check but if I'm reading your post right your pot odds weren't anything special.

As for his overbet on AA, in that spot he has a lead and knows it. His intention is what makes the difference. Was he trying to shove you off or bait you to pay him off, that's the question.

Lol.

Got to be trolling now.

Good day sir.
 
Lol.

Got to be trolling now.

Good day sir.

It's too bad you feel that way.

If everyone felt the same and played the same then we would all break even and just play our cards with no thought of strategy, odds, etc.

I don't think it was a terrible play, but I gave you my reasons why I could find a fold in that situation. Even gave percentages and accompanying thoughts on the reads you gave. Like I said, unless I'm way wrong about my percentages and misunderstood how much was in the pot, I see it how I do.

At the end of the day, you were hoping to crack AA with 10-8s. It is what it is.

Either way, good luck to you at the tables.
 
It's too bad you feel that way.

If everyone felt the same and played the same then we would all break even and just play our cards with no thought of strategy, odds, etc.

I don't think it was a terrible play, but I gave you my reasons why I could find a fold in that situation. Even gave percentages and accompanying thoughts on the reads you gave. Like I said, unless I'm way wrong about my percentages and misunderstood how much was in the pot, I see it how I do.

At the end of the day, you were hoping to crack AA with 10-8s. It is what it is.

Either way, good luck to you at the tables.

Nah you ignored everything I said.

I am ahead against his range. Worst case I am 40%......and I’m getting odds to call that.

There is no grey area. It is 100% a call.

Folding would be akin to refusing to take 55% on a coin flip. You don’t seem to understand this basic premise of gambling.
 
Played yesterday....2 big hands back to back

KsQs
-Raise call a 3 bet, pre. 3 way to the flop.
-Flop KcQh2d. Check call flop....three way to the turn.
-Turn 4d. Check. Player 2 bets. Player 3 raises. I push all in. Player 2 folds. Player 3 snap calls.
-River. 8d. Player 3 shows 9d3d. Lost 250bb.

Ac8c
-Call a raise pre flop. Heads up.
-Flop 8h7c2h. I Check call.
-Turn 2c. I lead. Player raises really big. I call.
-River Jh. I check. Opoonent checks. Opponent shows Jc3h. Lost 100bb.


Few hands later had 8h9h on a 7h10h2c board. Opponent goes all in for 100bb into a 20bb pot. I call. He had AA. I missed.

A mere -800euro for the session.


Cannot catch a break recently.

hand 1 -

Very weak call by guy in hand one.

Hard to see any Pot Odds that would justify it. Some people just love to make hero calls but even if he thinks you have nothing, which he could have believed based on you massively polarizing your hand to either a monster or a bluff with your Turn shove he still could not beat even a single Broadway card without his hand improving.

If he hit the 4 on the turn and even had 3rd pair with the ability to improve to the flush draw or two pair or trips if you had something, then I could see his call if he thought your polarized hand was a bluff. But again a quick run of the pot odds would be necessitated.

He played it like a fish.

Hand 2 -

I would likely shove the turn (need to know stack sizes, and how much already committed to be sure) with top pair and the nut flush draw. Most times you take the pot down right there and if have run into a bigger hand you have outs against all of them. If you hit your Ace you have Top 2 pair and beat everything but flopped sets. If he has a set you are drawing to the Nut Flush. But just calling with the top pair 8's leaves you vulnerable to him turning over 9/9 or hitting a random card as he did and sucking out on you.

that said if you had a sense he was ahead in the hand and had a hand he might not fold if you shove then pot control and waiting for draw is fine.

Hand 3 -

Are you heads up into the Flop and you called a 10BB preflop bet and with your money in the pot is now 20BB going into the Flop?

His 10BB bet is signalling he has a hand like QQ, KK or AA.

I love to call with suited connectors when I suspect my opponent has a monster. If I hit Trip's I know I will take all his money (so looking at implied odds matters there as if he has almost no money back after the big flop bet, I am not calling for what amounts to a flop race)

Ok you don't flop trip's but you hit a monster draw. He is not wrong to shove on you and you are not wrong to call. You would not be wrong to shove on him either had he raised the flop and you acted second. But you know you are behind and need to hit and you missed.

Tis poker, the poker gods are cruel and on days like that I can't help but think of this line from Spartacus by Batiatus...

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As a third party not fully following last convo in the thread, I appreciate the breakdowns.

I think it's one of those "agree to disagree" moments followed by "you had to be there". Sometimes you just get a feel (in Lewis' case the range).

I don't know, it's been awhile
 
If you get 3bet pre and their acting like they have Aces they don't. They have pocket Jacks.
 
What a great thread. I am all in. By reading the responses so far, i shouldnt feel under the gun to make good post, for fear of being cut off. Hope they dont lock this thread, would be a gut shot.
 
Playing tonight. Busted AA twice per for 100 bb.



AK suited and QQ.

:eek:
 
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