No Limit Hold 'Em Poker Discussion

[Ken Fresno]

I'm confident 90% of players would call 90% of the time with KK. I would. Literally beats 90% of my range, imo.

The over-bet was like 1.1 pot, so basically just a pot bet.

Personally, I almost always bet 75%+ pot on the river if I'm bluffing or looking for value.

Ya I generally agree. If they’re gonna call they’re gonna call, and if ur putting pressure it should be max pressure.

I just think on this particular runout u can represent a scared 2 pair or a bluff with the same bet of 60-80.

But when u go full pot u only have air or the monster. And the way the action went u would have had to call the 35 on the flop with complete air and the plan to steal later. I just think ur opening urself up to a solid player making a good fold to that bet. Whereas 60-80 gets called 100% of the time by everyone.

 

[LEWIS540]

Ya I generally agree. If they’re gonna call they’re gonna call, and if ur putting pressure it should be max pressure.

I just think on this particular runout u can represent a scared 2 pair or a bluff with the same bet of 60-80.

But when u go full pot u only have air or the monster. And the way the action went u would have had to call the 35 on the flop with complete air and the plan to steal later. I just think ur opening urself up to a solid player making a good fold to that bet. Whereas 60-80 gets called 100% of the time by everyone.

Thing is, if I had, say, AQ here and everything was equal, I bet you'd be saying KK should call.

Human nature.

 

[Fugazy]

Hello buckos,

Played a tidy 3 hour session of 1-3 NLHE.

Buyin is 300

3.5 hours chipped up to 650

Not being "that way" way but I should have came out at about 850 or 900, got shook on some hands where I had great odds to stay in but there was too much action for my liking. Also called a river bet against a semi-pro player when I should have raised for value, he knew my hand and folded. Was insane to hear him call out the cards and fold his smaller boat to my larger boat. Had I shoved he may have thought I was weak and called or even if I raised he would have folded and I wouldn't have had to show my cards. He was good, very good, and it made me unsure. I liked my hand but I thought he may have had me.

Also, I cracked AA to make about 200. First hand back from a 10 min break. Guy in BB raises to 15, UTG calls, I was in cutoff, I have KQs, I call. Flop comes K-2-Q.
BB bets 20, UTG folds, I smooth call. Turn is a 3, BB bets 40, there is potential for a flush so I take a second to think, call the 40 and shove putting the BB all-in. He snap calls.

River is a 5 of hearts that completes the flush, look at the guy and ask if he hit a flush he smiles and say no, shows AA I flip my K-Q and profit.

After that I got caught bluffing at a pot that cost me ~60. Smooth sailed the rest of my time. Overall felt good, wish I could have played longer..

 

[LEWIS540]

Grinded a 300 stack upto 750, then lost a 1000+ pot in heartbreaking fashion.

Guy calls my 5 bet pre. I have QQ.

Q56 J 2

I bet small on flop, big on turn, all in on river.

Guy snaps with 3 4 off.

Get some back a few hands later with KK>AQ, but not going to lie, it hurt.

Losing to a cooler or with bad play is fine. Losing to a donkey like that stings.

 

[Fugazy]

Grinded a 300 stack upto 750, then lost a 1000+ pot in heartbreaking fashion.

Guy calls my 5 bet pre. I have QQ.

Q56 J 2

I bet small on flop, big on turn, all in on river.

Guy snaps with 3 4 off.

Get some back a few hands later with KK>AQ, but not going to lie, it hurt.

Losing to a cooler or with bad play is fine. Losing to a donkey like that stings.

Thats just ugly.

I know the feel man.

I might have raged.

 

[LEWIS540]

Thats just ugly.

I know the feel man.

I might have raged.

Was one of those games where there was almost always 4-5 to a flop and half the hands went to showdown.........except when I had K 10 on a Q9J FLOP 5 ways, of course, and everyone folded to my 3bb bet.

 

[Fugazy]

Played a tournament, the first one I've played maybe ever in a casino.

$75 satellite, placed in top 5 of 40 to get a buyin + cash to a $400 NLHE tourney. Came in 16th of 130+, cashed $650. Played a ring game for about 1.5 hours & made $280. Good day at the tables, but a full day, over 8 hours.

 

[SaiWa]

I'm confident 90% of players would call 90% of the time with KK. I would. Literally beats 90% of my range, imo.

The over-bet was like 1.1 pot, so basically just a pot bet.

Personally, I almost always bet 75%+ pot on the river if I'm bluffing or looking for value.

I might have folded in that spot actually.

The problem is you're the big blind special. You can be calling with anything so your range is so wide you can be on anything. It really depends on your (and his) playing style but it's not hard to fold after the overbet in that situation. Had you made it 1/2 or 2/3 the pot then he'd (I certainly would) have called for sure. But an overbet screams strong hand. Only the craziest of all bluffers would try a move like this. JJ does not overbet in that situation unless there's a potential flush on the board.

I don't understand why you overbetted though. you have a stranglehold on that board and all you are afraid of are pocket 6's or 7's and the river hitting that card for a higher 4-of-kind. You want everything else to hit or catch up to you. You practically scared off every pocket pairs as well as any potential flush chaser (on the board). You'd need a least a set to consider calling I think but because you hold the pockets 2s that means they'd have to have a boat on the turn to call you.

IMO you made a mistake with the overbet...

 

[SaiWa]

Grinded a 300 stack upto 750, then lost a 1000+ pot in heartbreaking fashion.

Guy calls my 5 bet pre. I have QQ.

Q56 J 2

I bet small on flop, big on turn, all in on river.

Guy snaps with 3 4 off.

Get some back a few hands later with KK>AQ, but not going to lie, it hurt.

Losing to a cooler or with bad play is fine. Losing to a donkey like that stings.

WTF... someone called a 5-bet with 34 off and still won facing off a set?? I would have been on tilt for the rest of the day.... That's insane poker right there...

 

[LEWIS540]

I might have folded in that spot actually.

The problem is you're the big blind special. You can be calling with anything so your range is so wide you can be on anything. It really depends on your (and his) playing style but it's not hard to fold after the overbet in that situation. Had you made it 1/2 or 2/3 the pot then he'd (I certainly would) have called for sure. But an overbet screams strong hand. Only the craziest of all bluffers would try a move like this. JJ does not overbet in that situation unless there's a potential flush on the board.

I don't understand why you overbetted though. you have a stranglehold on that board and all you are afraid of are pocket 6's or 7's and the river hitting that card for a higher 4-of-kind. You want everything else to hit or catch up to you. You practically scared off every pocket pairs as well as any potential flush chaser (on the board). You'd need a least a set to consider calling I think but because you hold the pockets 2s that means they'd have to have a boat on the turn to call you.

IMO you made a mistake with the overbet...

-Was literally overbet by about 5%, effectively a pot bet. Nothing crazy.
-It went check check on turn as stated.
-Only 2 I can really have is 22 or maybe A2 suited. You think BB calls a raise out of position with anything?
-Really hard for me to have AA or JJ to with pre-flop action.

Overbet was probably a minor mistake (maybe) but as i said, 90% of players call 90% of the time on the river, I'm sure. Think he may have gotten a live read on me. Oh well.

 

[LEWIS540]

WTF... someone called a 5-bet with 34 off and still won facing off a set?? I would have been on tilt for the rest of the day.... That's insane poker right there...

Yeah hurt, that one.

One of those games where there was one maniac on the table, which in turn meant the whole dynamic of the game changed. Lots of loose calls, pre flop, on flop, on turn and on the river.

Of course when it was my turn to cash in, I get soul crushed.

 

[SaiWa]

-Was literally overbet by about 5%, effectively a pot bet. Nothing crazy.
-It went check check on turn as stated.
-Only 2 I can really have is 22 or maybe A2 suited. You think BB calls a raise out of position with anything?

As i said, 90% of players call 90% of the time on the river. Oh well.

Ah shit I misread your account of the hand okay. sorry...

hmmmm....

I was going to argue that i'd still consider folding but a pot sized bet on the river... I am calling 90% of the time. you right you right...

you must have given off a tell. or it might just be a feeling that the player got and decided to fold.

a smaller bet (1/2-3/4 now) would have definitely gotten you a call. but you are the BB special so people are always leery of BB betting hard...

 

[LEWIS540]

Ah shit I misread your account of the hand okay. sorry...

hmmmm....

I was going to argue that i'd still consider folding but a pot sized bet on the river... I am calling 90% of the time. you right you right...

you must have given off a tell. or it might just be a feeling that the player got and decided to fold.

Yeah just edited the post.....I suspect the guy got a live read off me. I didn't really have any value hands he lost to really, outside maybe a stubborn AJ or QJ suited or something, so there's that.

 

[LEWIS540]

3 decent sized losing sessions in a row. Gonna take a month or two off I think.

2 hands stick out from yesterday.

2/2/4

UTG (150 in front)- raises to 17
Me (450) in seat 8 raises to 45 with QQ
Button (400) calls
BB (200) raises all in
UTG folds
I re-raise all in
Button tanks for 2 minutes then calls

AsKs4c9s3s

BB scoops the main with 5s5c
Button wins the side pot with AQ

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Cant remember exactly what went down but the board reads AsJs4c Kd.

Roughly about 150 in the pot 4 ways....everyone 300 min behind.

Gets checked to me on the button with KsQs. I bet 80. Then it goes crazy. 1st guy calls. 2nd guy goes all in. 3rd guy goes all in.

Obviously know I'm behind, but with around 250 back and about 1100 in the pot, I feel compelled to call (actually really wanted to fold but envisioned how pissed I'd be on the 3s river).

Both the all in guys had Q 10 off, and I missed the draw.

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Ended up 1200 or so down for the night. If those 2 pots went my way would have turned a 4 figure profit. Fickle game. Combination of run bad, bad play and drunken play have cost me a decent chunk in the last fortnight.


ps in the first hour yesterday my table had AAvKK 4 times. 3 times AA won all in pre. The other time the KK open folded to a check raise on a Q83 rainbow flop!

 

[Fugazy]

3 decent sized losing sessions in a row. Gonna take a month or two off I think.

2 hands stick out from yesterday.

2/2/4

UTG (150 in front)- raises to 17
Me (450) in seat 8 raises to 45 with QQ
Button (400) calls
BB (200) raises all in
UTG folds
I re-raise all in
Button tanks for 2 minutes then calls

AsKs4c9s3s

BB scoops the main with 5s5c
Button wins the side pot with AQ

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Cant remember exactly what went down but the board reads AsJs4c Kd.

Roughly about 150 in the pot 4 ways....everyone 300 min behind.

Gets checked to me on the button with KsQs. I bet 80. Then it goes crazy. 1st guy calls. 2nd guy goes all in. 3rd guy goes all in.

Obviously know I'm behind, but with around 250 back and about 1100 in the pot, I feel compelled to call (actually really wanted to fold but envisioned how pissed I'd be on the 3s river).

Both the all in guys had Q 10 off, and I missed the draw.

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Ended up 1200 or so down for the night. If those 2 pots went my way would have turned a 4 figure profit. Fickle game. Combination of run bad, bad play and drunken play have cost me a decent chunk in the last fortnight.


ps in the first hour yesterday my table had AAvKK 4 times. 3 times AA won all in pre. The other time the KK open folded to a check raise on a Q83 rainbow flop!

Hey I'm missing something, how did the BB win with 55 v your QQ?

 

[LEWIS540]

Hey I'm missing something, how did the BB win with 55 v your QQ?

4 spades on board <45>

 

[Fugazy]

4 spades on board <45>

Gotcha I missed the letters, was scanning not reading.

Well, that fucking sucks.

 

[LEWIS540]

Gotcha I missed the letters, was scanning not reading.

Well, that fucking sucks.

Yeah, not fun.

Don't like the push at all with 55. Thought the call with AQ, on the other hand, was just terrible. He ended up being about 25%, but more often than not against 2 all ins he's going to be a lot worse.

 

[Fugazy]

Yeah, not fun.

Don't like the push at all with 55. Thought the call with AQ, on the other hand, was just terrible. He ended up being about 25%, but more often than not against 2 all ins he's going to be a lot worse.

I think they were both pretty bad plays imo.

They both feel like early stage turbo-tournament plays where the guy says fuckit looking for a double up.

 

[SaiWa]

Any of you following this Mike Postle cheating allegations..?



It's mad interesting.