Social New York Opening a $65 Million Dollar Homeless Shelter for Transgender and Gender Non-Conforming People

[empsim]

How many Trump golf trips is that? like 3 or 4?

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Oh here we go again.

 

[Natural Order]

So what is your cost per head and how do you come to this number?

Have you ever run an exercise like this before?

You are making posts based off your feelings instead of giving me a proper answer…

You just feel it’s too expensive but can’t give me an accurate answer nor the logic behind it. It screams of someone who has never done anything similar before.

Everyone thinks they can do it cheaper until it comes to present their case. Then they disappear. If it was so easy it would already be done.

Never worked for the government, huh?

 

[fedorthegoat777]

This is why I am generally a fiscal conservative who believes government spending is often little more than a glorified form of embezzlement. Check this out:

Tuition and Fees | FAS Registrar's Office

registrar.fas.harvard.edu

Full tuition and board at Harvard University checks in at $87K a year. This is the most elite private university in the world. $59K of that is tuition: the cost of their education (to pay professors & all of their aides; to pay other faculty; to finance expensive facilities like libraries, computer labs, science labs, research facilities, and other expensive educational equipment; to pay fees attracting legendary academic speakers; to cover all other fees associated with the collective academic enterprise of the university).

That means board & everything else runs $28K. That takes care of living quarters, health care, food, custodianship, and security. This is to the satisfaction of the generally most affluent class of people in the world. So why in the fuck would it cost 3.5x that per bed to take care of a bunch of homeless people?

What a goddamn shameless scam on the taxpayer these "homeless shelters" are.

The only good goverment is a limited goverment.

 

[ermac88]

When they opening the male disabled verterans shelter? How about gay native Americans .

We have those in America.
Theyre called Veterans Affairs, which address homeless as well


The current trump administration has cut funding

5 reasons federal cuts are hitting veterans especially hard​

5 reasons federal cuts are hitting veterans especially hard

For the past month, the Trump administration has been cutting federal spending, causing numerous hardships for government employees, the agencies they work for and the people they serve. But veterans are among those hardest hit, and the impact goes well beyond job loss.

www.pbs.org

Lets not pretend we care about them either

 

[Spounman]

 

[UberHere]

Typical new york racialisms.

How about a home for young blacks.

They’ve got that already on Rikers Island.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Shelter will be 150 beds and has a full-time psychiatrist on site, as well as clinical staff and social workers, officials said. Those staying there will also get perks, including culinary, academic classes, yoga, wellness and meditation program.

The cost will be $65 million through 2030. Each bed will cost about 87K per bed per year.

Why don't they just use the regular homeless shelters?

NYC opens first taxpayer-funded transgender homeless shelter in US: ‘Progressive political theater’

New York City has opened the nation’s first taxpayer-funded shelter just for homeless transgender people — blowing $63 million on what critics have ripped as “progressive political theater.”

The Queens shelter, known as Ace’s Places, has 150 beds for trans and gender-nonconforming individuals with nowhere else to sleep, the Department of Social Services announced Tuesday, proudly touting it as “the nation’s first.”

It has a full-time psychiatrist on site, as well as clinical staff and social workers, officials said. Those staying there will also get perks, including culinary and GED classes.

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New York City has opened its first taxpayer-funded shelter dedicated specifically to homeless transgender people, the Department of Social Services announced Tuesday.

“New York City has long been a leader in advancing LGBTQ+ rights and protections, and we’re
proud to continue that tradition with the opening of the nation’s first city-funded shelter dedicated
to supporting transgender individuals,” DHS administrator Joslyn Carter said.


Critics, though, were quick to rip the eye-watering $63 million it will cost the city through 2030.

bro thinks $63 million divided up over 5 years is a lot lmao NYC has like a $100B budget every year.

 

[Madmick]

How many Trump golf trips is that? like 3 or 4?

Trump does deserve scrutiny for wasting taxpayer funds on excessive trips, but it's a bit silly to compare the cost of running the Presidency to elective shelters. It's expensive to protect the President no matter who is in office.

Barack Obama's 8 years of golf, Hawaii vacations costs taxpayers $US85 million​

 

[Hog-train]

bro thinks $63 million divided up over 5 years is a lot lmao NYC has like a $100B budget every year.

It's only 150 beds. That's the problem.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Trump does deserve scrutiny for wasting taxpayer funds on excessive trips, but it's a bit silly to compare the cost of running the Presidency to elective shelters. It's expensive to protect the President no matter who is in office.

Barack Obama's 8 years of golf, Hawaii vacations costs taxpayers $US85 million​

almost as silly as referring to weekly golf trips as "running the presidency"

 

[Ibm]

Its good to open a homeless shelter but not sure about why it would matter. so in this case, the reaction would be....

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

It's only 150 beds. That's the problem.

it could be 2 beds and it would still have literally no impact on the city budget. it costs a shitload of money to own and operate any space in new york city. this isn't news.

 

[ermac88]

Trump does deserve scrutiny for wasting taxpayer funds on excessive trips, but it's a bit silly to compare the cost of running the Presidency to elective shelters. It's expensive to protect the President no matter who is in office.

Barack Obama's 8 years of golf, Hawaii vacations costs taxpayers $US85 million​

imagine cucking for an oligarch that spends US tax payer money on golf vacations, at his OWN resort with the masses tax payer money. Lining his OWN pockets

Then feigning outrage on tax money to help the poorest members of society

Trump has spent almost a third of his presidency in properties he owns, new report shows​

Trump has spent almost a third of presidency at his own properties, new report shows

President has just completed a five-day trip to his golf courses and hotels in Scotland

www.independent.co.uk

crazy but shows oligarchies and monarchies were and able to prosper, poor people defending the elites


Hey but billionaire got to eat and vacation, at ANY cost!

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Shelter will be 150 beds and has a full-time psychiatrist on site, as well as clinical staff and social workers, officials said. Those staying there will also get perks, including culinary, academic classes, yoga, wellness and meditation program.

The cost will be $65 million through 2030. Each bed will cost about 87K per bed per year.

Why don't they just use the regular homeless shelters?

NYC opens first taxpayer-funded transgender homeless shelter in US: ‘Progressive political theater’

New York City has opened the nation’s first taxpayer-funded shelter just for homeless transgender people — blowing $63 million on what critics have ripped as “progressive political theater.”

The Queens shelter, known as Ace’s Places, has 150 beds for trans and gender-nonconforming individuals with nowhere else to sleep, the Department of Social Services announced Tuesday, proudly touting it as “the nation’s first.”

It has a full-time psychiatrist on site, as well as clinical staff and social workers, officials said. Those staying there will also get perks, including culinary and GED classes.

3
New York City has opened its first taxpayer-funded shelter dedicated specifically to homeless transgender people, the Department of Social Services announced Tuesday.

“New York City has long been a leader in advancing LGBTQ+ rights and protections, and we’re
proud to continue that tradition with the opening of the nation’s first city-funded shelter dedicated
to supporting transgender individuals,” DHS administrator Joslyn Carter said.


Critics, though, were quick to rip the eye-watering $63 million it will cost the city through 2030.

How do homeless people afford to transition in the first place?

I'd be all for it if it was heavily grounded in helping these people understand that they aren't the opposite sex, but I suspect this counseling will be to reinforce their illusions.

At least it won't be my tax money.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

As a blak jew i got to say it is about time, b sick of wasps and wasp patriarchy

But what if these trans people decide to identify as black jews?

 

[Seano]

How many Trump golf trips is that? like 3 or 4?

I hate this argument. The president, be it Trump, Biden, Obama or whoever, isn't a prisoner to the job. They're allowed to do things. They're allowed to take time. You can hate what Trump does but that doesn't mean he's not out there doing work every day.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

See but that’s the thing. They are already moaning about that. You could give 1 cent to homeless people and the moaning would continue.

This is one thing that bugs me about liberal or left politics is they always self-restrict based on what they assume the other side will say. But FDR didn’t do that. He just did the right thing (mostly) and let the right howl.

You have to just let them do their complaining. That’s their job. The job of the left is to actually fix problems. The job of the right is to say whoever needs help doesn’t deserve it. So one side can’t refuse to do their job because the other side is doing theirs.

Just distribute the money to the people. Yes some folks will howl. But the money is being spent on bandaid solutions and big salaries for people who administer homeless support programs. Fuck that.

The homeless that need addiction rehab support need two things: proper in-patient rehab and relocation to a new community where they get a second chance and aren’t connected to folks who will encourage them to re-offend.

The mental health challenged homeless need money to pay for housing, food and various levels of treatment - sometimes that means psychiatric therapy, sometimes it means physical therapy, but none of that can be achieved without at least a infusion of money to start off with.

And the homeless who are just simply jobless need money to get clothing, an address, regular showers and a laptop to put together a resume on.

That’s what’s needed. More and more shelters and social workers just treat the symptoms and not the actual issue. You need to move people from homelessness to homes, and get them in routines.

In terms of this “bankrupting the USA” - the USA has 25% of the worlds GDP and 5% of the worlds population. The government can afford to invest in this stuff. And people who escape homelessness will fight like hell to never have to go back to that.

I'd say the job of the right is to ask if "X" is cost effective and worthwhile. I think its debatable if a mental health facility specifically for transexual homeless people is worthwhile.

 

[wolffanghameha]

I'm unfamiliar with the NY or NYC homelessness network, but I'm guessing most shelters are male-only or female-only. In which case transgender homeless people would have a hard time finding a place they qualify for.
Different shelters or accommodations can target different groups. Male, female, transgender, drug/alcohol addicts, drug users, non-drug users.
Non-addicts may not do well around addicts. They have different needs (ofc "needs" can be defined in different ways. We have needs to survive, and needs to thrive to a level a deemed acceptable. We also whatever we deem to be moral rights, which are then a need of sorts).
Addicts have a need for drug support, non-addicts don't. Drugs aside, some can have higher or lower support needs because of whatever difficulties. Some places have 24/7 on-site staff, some don't. Some organisations will have trauma-trained staff, social prescribing, therapy or whatever. Some won't.

Don't see a problem personally, at least in terms of the gender angle. The rest sounds fairly normal.
If people think homeless shelters shouldn't be a thing in general or that they should be more bare-bones, that's another discussion. The objective of these organisations is to help people thrive, rather than to only exist. This is better from a utilitarian perspective (maximising wellbeing of individuals in society), but also for economic knock-on effects I believe is better, because it can unlock more of the human potential of the population, who go on to have various jobs, businesses or to positively influence others. Of course you could think from other ethical frameworks instead.
Ofc it costs money. But who benefits more from the tax spending? Those already doing good, who will become slightly better off, or those who have an extremely low quality of life and high barriers to life betterment, who will see a big improvement from the spending?

You can also get into meritocracy. Trying to give a leg up to people who've tried hard, but had bad circumstances to work in, to even the playing field.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Presumably because of the effect of economies of scale when we are comparing the per bed cost of a 150 unit that is staffed 24/7 vs 7000+ person college who only has to staff partially during summer/overnight etc.

I'm not saying this is cost effective, but I think it's a bit of an unfair comparison.

It takes a ton more people to operate that 7000 person college plus they pay professors an avg of 250k. Add dean and assistant deans for each dept., chancellors, coaches, outreach staff, health staff, travel for sports, etc. on top of menial staff and I'd bet its a pretty even comparison.