New to BJJ...How hard should I roll ?? (old thread, 2010)

[jack36767]

Fair. Maybe "spaz" was the wrong word.

More accurately, I mean, rolling harder than is normal at that gym. My point was that people often have a poor idea of how hard they roll.

Regardless, I maintain my point. Either you are rolling harder than you think, or the coach doesn't know what he is looking at.

Yes because I learned nothing about how to tell how hard I am going in the 12+ years of wrestling and 5 years of training sub grappling/bjj, nothing at all, I haven't learned a thing, me dumb wrassler MUST USE STRENTH 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-can not find appropriate gif because I don't know how hard I type
It's not like the places I trained at the most trusted me to go with newbs because they knew I wouldn't hurt them or that I've coached high school with literal legal ramifications as to how hard one is going.
And not like I talked about having that issue and then had it corrected...
No it can only be I don't know how hard I am rolling, me must go find big heavy weight and lift with my back rrrror










Is the sarcasm over the top.... MAAAAYBBEEEE, was your post a little condescending.. maaaybee
I wouldn't have said anything if the vibe and everything about it was weird and if I actually was just hanging on or exploding I would take the criticism and move on, and oh wait.. I even got tapped during the roll and didn't care because it's training. But obviously the wrestler is spazzing when he doesn't get smashed when outsized, and I have no idea what I'm doing,


Thank you
I now now my experience and training is useless








And notice I haven't talked shit about the instructor because i don't know for sure yet, but hey that one guy didn't know

 

[rickjamez]

I feel like in a lot of gyms that don't practise modern jiu jitsu.
They tend to see modern jiu jitsu moves as uncontrolled quick and spazzy.

for example standing passes are inherently faster and more explosive than slow pressure passing.

warning signs seem to be: starting all the rolls from the knees or inside closed guard.

 

[lechien]

That's the weird thing, it was a midday class with mostly self defense and technique with one roll at the end with the lower belt and the head guy who watching like he was worried the whole time, like I said, if I was rolling hard or hitting crazy scrambles or muscling through stuff or beating up on smaller/same sized noob I wouldn't say anything. But the entire time there was a weird vibe like don't hurt anyone wrassler,

You need to tone it down a bit.

You are the new kid on the mats and no instructor wants new comers going all out etc..

My blue belt students went to some open mats and got told off for being too aggressive.

So I asked him who he tapped out?

2 purples and 1 brown belt.

So yeah, no wonder they felt he was aggressive.

I mean in our club. We don't care who tap who. But do not expect the same everywhere.

So be cool.

Don't force the sub. If you cannot get the sub within 10 seconds go for something else.

Catch and release. Let him know you have the sub lock in and let him escape but anticipate to something else.

Put yourself in bad spot on purpose to escape. If you get tapped. Look at the clock and make it your mission to tap him out with the same sub: just to let him who is his daddy!

 

[jamiejamie6661]

Is the sarcasm over the top.... MAAAAYBBEEEE, was your post a little condescending.. maaaybee

If I understand what your post is suggesting, then there is no way you are rolling too hard. That is what you are trying to say right?

Then it must be option 2, your instructor made an error

 

[Dirty Holt]

Im actually really curious if you could video one or two of your rolls? I would like to see what your coach considers dumb wrestling or going too hard.

 

[RJ Green]

+1

 

[sb413197]

IMO there's no such thing as "too hard" - that is defined by your cardio. If you can keep up the pace, great.

There IS such a thing as TOO ROUGH though. A lot of wrestlers will try to pass the guard by grinding their forearm into your face, posting off your head, slamming, can-openers etc etc. I know how to deal with (better anyway) this now after years of training but it took a long time to learn how to do that - I used to dread training with wrestlers because I would invariably end up with bumps and bruises. I'll bet that you do stuff like that without even realizing it. Or maybe not, and your gym is being weird about you training hard.

I would suggest you play guard in training, all the time. You can play a sweep-oriented game to get back to your comfort zone but always start in guard - hard to complain if you're doing that. You'll need to get good at guard anyway and it will be a weak point for you for a long time. It's tricky for guys coming from other backgrounds - your scrambling, takedowns, balance, cardio etc are probably already beyond many blackbelts, but other stuff is very much white-belt level - work your weak points and keep improving your ability to use your strong points. Maybe look at training less of a "win-lose" kind of thing and more of just a learning experience to improve in different areas - although obviously training is competitive, it isn't a competition.

But kinda hard to say without seeing it in person. The issue might be in part with the gym too.

 

[cakemuncher]

BJJ gyms are mostly tailored towards unathletic, fat, old hobbyists like me.

It's completely normal that whenever an athletic wrestler comes to the gym, he wrestlefucks at least half of the class, regardless of their belt.

 

[Rod1]

Unless you are hurting them or unless you are going rough on middle aged dudes the only conclusion i can get is that the gym sucks.

 

[SummerStriker]

LOL at the guy said he's routinely the strongest guy at the gym with a 300 lb deadlift...

I'm not bragging about my deadlift. I'm just explaining the nature of martial arts schools. Even in BJJ, the people training aren't always athletes.

 

[Uchi Mata]

I'm not bragging about my deadlift. I'm just explaining the nature of martial arts schools. Even in BJJ, the people training aren't always athletes.

I'm one of the strongest people at my gym, and I doubt I could top 400 in the DL at this point having not been lifting for a while.

 

[SummerStriker]

I'm one of the strongest people at my gym, and I doubt I could top 400 in the DL at this point having not been lifting for a while.

I don't doubt it. It seems like most bigger gyms have a couple people with an interest in weight lifting, but even the strongest don't go heavy or look "big" compared to people at the gym.

 

[Codger]

You need to tone it down a bit.

You are the new kid on the mats and no instructor wants new comers going all out etc..

My blue belt students went to some open mats and got told off for being too aggressive.

So I asked him who he tapped out?

2 purples and 1 brown belt.

So yeah, no wonder they felt he was aggressive.

I mean in our club. We don't care who tap who. But do not expect the same everywhere.

So be cool.

Don't force the sub. If you cannot get the sub within 10 seconds go for something else.

Catch and release. Let him know you have the sub lock in and let him escape but anticipate to something else.

Put yourself in bad spot on purpose to escape. If you get tapped. Look at the clock and make it your mission to tap him out with the same sub: just to let him who is his daddy!

Yeah that's how I roll in a new place.

If I'm going for cross choke from mount and they seal up their collars, I don't grind my monkey-paw in super hard, I just go for something else. I don't pass with 100% of my speed and power, I try to trick my way through. I don't use my full shoulder pressure. I act like I'm conserving energy for a long night, which isn't a bad idea at a new gym anyway.

You have to feel your way into new places and not get their egos riled up. Even fighting like that I recently had a guy doing some dirty trick which I didn't bother reacting to. I could tell he really didn't want to get tapped by me for some reason. You never know - maybe they've been the nail for the last 3 months and were hoping they could be the hammer for once and you turn out to be too good for that and they're a bit fucked off about it.

 

[SummerStriker]

BJJ dudes have really fragile egos.

I visited this gym last year where I got to roll against a taller, more muscular black belt. I sat in open guard, grabbed his collar and didn't initially let him pass. This dude smash passes me and hurt my neck doing a collar choke. After, he gives me the advice, "you should try to flow more."

I thought the pass and choke were sweet. I didn't have a problem with it. I had a problem with him being a little bitch about it afterwards.

 

[jack36767]

IMO there's no such thing as "too hard" - that is defined by your cardio. If you can keep up the pace, great.

There IS such a thing as TOO ROUGH though. A lot of wrestlers will try to pass the guard by grinding their forearm into your face, posting off your head, slamming, can-openers etc etc. I know how to deal with (better anyway) this now after years of training but it took a long time to learn how to do that - I used to dread training with wrestlers because I would invariably end up with bumps and bruises. I'll bet that you do stuff like that without even realizing it. Or maybe not, and your gym is being weird about you training hard.

I would suggest you play guard in training, all the time. You can play a sweep-oriented game to get back to your comfort zone but always start in guard - hard to complain if you're doing that. You'll need to get good at guard anyway and it will be a weak point for you for a long time. It's tricky for guys coming from other backgrounds - your scrambling, takedowns, balance, cardio etc are probably already beyond many blackbelts, but other stuff is very much white-belt level - work your weak points and keep improving your ability to use your strong points. Maybe look at training less of a "win-lose" kind of thing and more of just a learning experience to improve in different areas - although obviously training is competitive, it isn't a competition.

But kinda hard to say without seeing it in person. The issue might be in part with the gym too.

Does a leg drag and near side underhook pass count as a grind pass?
And I usually do play bottom for this very reason.. but when it's my first time on the mats in a couple months, and I'm outweighed by 50 or so pounds, and he sits down, I was like sure I'll take too.

Yeah that's how I roll in a new place.

If I'm going for cross choke from mount and they seal up their collars, I don't grind my monkey-paw in super hard, I just go for something else. I don't pass with 100% of my speed and power, I try to trick my way through. I don't use my full shoulder pressure. I act like I'm conserving energy for a long night, which isn't a bad idea at a new gym anyway.

You have to feel your way into new places and not get their egos riled up. Even fighting like that I recently had a guy doing some dirty trick which I didn't bother reacting to. I could tell he really didn't want to get tapped by me for some reason. You never know - maybe they've been the nail for the last 3 months and were hoping they could be the hammer for once and you turn out to be too good for that and they're a bit fucked off about it.

Like I said, wasn't grinding or treating it like mundials, increasing position. And like I said I've have been guilty of it before and it wasn't like that. Honestly I prefer rolling with upper belts first at new gyms. Once they see that I'll play bottom and don't have an issue tapping, don't get pissy about getting beat, and just doing it for fun. There's usually no issues. And like I said the second time was better, the mma gym despite being closer was just meh. I think I'll stay at the first school and do my best to "tone it down" for now, everything but the one instructors vibe was cool

 

[yetanother]

I don't doubt it. It seems like most bigger gyms have a couple people with an interest in weight lifting, but even the strongest don't go heavy or look "big" compared to people at the gym.

A guy at our bjj gym deadlifts a few pounds 580lb (he has a video on facebook).

 

[Russky]

BJJ dudes have really fragile egos.

I visited this gym last year where I got to roll against a taller, more muscular black belt. I sat in open guard, grabbed his collar and didn't initially let him pass. This dude smash passes me and hurt my neck doing a collar choke. After, he gives me the advice, "you should try to flow more."

I thought the pass and choke were sweet. I didn't have a problem with it. I had a problem with him being a little bitch about it afterwards.

... and your fragile BJJ ego was hurt.

Beginners cannot understand what they were told because they do not have enough background knowledge sometimes.
Experienced guys forget their learning process and things they were learning for years start looking "natural" and obvious.

 

[SummerStriker]

A guy at our bjj gym deadlifts a few pounds 580lb (he has a video on facebook).

I didn't say "no one in martial arts lifts heavy." I said, "I'm often the strongest person, despite my regular ability."

@Russky how was my ego hurt? I didn't care about being tapped. I was offended by his stupid, hypocritical advice. He might as well of said, "get good." There is a difference between having an ego about martial arts and being offended by a dickhead talking shit.

 

[SummerStriker]

Beginners cannot understand what they were told because they do not have enough background knowledge sometimes.

If a beginner can't understand what the were told, then their instructor shouldn't be charging money.

 

[Russky]

@Russky how was my ego hurt?

I was offended by his stupid, hypocritical advice. He might as well of said, "get good." There is a difference between having an ego about martial arts and being offended by a dickhead talking shit.