NCAA Wrestlers dont mean crap no more!

[Meathead Jock]

It goes in cycles and I know this comment will ruffle feathers but I think exciting strikers have been given more favorable matches than in the past.

So you combine better TDD and better matchups and this is where we are at...

 

[moldysox1981]

Neither does grammar!

 

[TallGHunter]

Decorated All american wrestlers like bader, rosholt, cain, mendes and of course hendriks recently lost and a few got ktfo

Years ago that wouldnt have happened, MMA was taken over by lnp merchants

Strikers have taken over!

Nailed it bro. wheres DC, JJ, MM, Robbie... ah, the list is too long, but yea those wrestlers haven't a chance.

I love the "lay and pray" comments. Only some puke who never stepped to the line says such shit.

 

[Davemeddlehed]

Newer eh, not even a word but ill play along. Youre the guy with post TUF fighters as your fave fighters

We had a name for the likes of you....TUF noobs

Lol one fighter who happened to be on TUF and suddenly I'm a TUF noob. Okay then.

I'm not the one acting like wrestlers aren't still dotting the top ten in almost every division like Lite Brite pegs. A wrestler gets knocked out and suddenly wrestling is dead in mma lol

 

[Zimo]

Several of them wrestled in high school and as we all know, High School Wrestling can be as good or better a base than Olympic wrestling.

So a 17 year old from a HS in iowa beats cael sanderson?

 

[Rum]

How many with a striking base are champions? The two womens champs and Conor?

Rockhold, RDA and Werdum were mostly jitz guys and DJ, Cruz, Robbie and DC/Bones main base was wrestling.

Of recent former champs Barao and Aldo were from BJJ and Cain, The Chris, Johny and TJ were wrestlers. GSP, Anderson, Pettis and Bendo were mainly strikers pre-MMA.

Kind of seems like the more things change the more they stay the same.

 

[Zimo]

Lol one fighter who happened to be on TUF and suddenly I'm a TUF noob. Okay then.

I'm not the one acting like wrestlers aren't still dotting the top ten in almost every division like Lite Brite pegs. A wrestler gets knocked out and suddenly wrestling is dead in mma lol

All Americans are getting ktfo or subbed every fight. The gravy(lnp) train is over since most mma gyms train proper ttd

 

[BigMuffler]

So a 17 year old from a HS in iowa beats cael sanderson?

An adult fighter with a high school wrestling base can have wrestling better adapted to MMA than an adult fighter with an Olympic wrestling base. As has been demonstrated by the future WBW champion and god of high school wrestling, NeoTate. Or although not quite high school, JUCO Jonesy vs DC.

There isn't anything that makes 'Olympic level' wrestling a better base than 'high school level' wrestling, in fact an argument could be made that the high school wrestler benefits from having more time to adapt it to MMA.

 

[calasanzlion]

Wrestling is just as important now as it ever was. NCAA championships are not as important anymore because most of this new bread of MMA fighter is turning pro in MMA between age 18-22 which is the age that they would be in college. Most have a highschool wrestling background that may go back as far as starting wrestling at 8 years old today.

The fighters that do not have wrestling backgrounds are RDA,McGregor and Werdum. RDA turned pro MMA at age 19. Werdum was a late bloomer and started competing at BJJ at age 21, won a world BJJ championship and world submision wrestling championship by age 25 when he turned pro mma.

Werdum has been training his wrestling through MMA for at least 15 years.

RDA has been training his wrestling with his MMA for over 11 years and has excellent takedowns.

McGegor has been training his wrestling with MMA for thepast 11 years at least.


JOHNSON-Wrestler

Born in Kentucky, Johnson grew up inParkland, Washingtonwhere he attendedWashington High Schooland was a stand-out athlete in track,wrestling, and cross country. In wrestling, he placed 3rd and 2nd in state in his junior and senior years. Although he participated in track and cross country to improve his cardio for wrestling, he competed at the State Championships in both sports as well

Turned pro MMA at age 20.


CRUZ- Wrestler


Cruz competed inamateur wrestlingwhile attending junior high school in Tucson, Arizona.[8] Started pro mma career at age 20. Cruz is probably the best wrestler in his weight class.


McGregor- No. Pro MMA since age 20. Amateur MMA fights since age 18. McGregor started training wrestling through MMA at age 16.


RDA- No HS wrestling but has been pro MMA since 19.


LAWLER- Wrestler


Lawler was born in San Diego, California and moved to Bettendorf, Iowa at the age of ten to live with his father. Lawler began training in karate at the age of nine and later attended Bettendorf High School where he received All-State honors in wrestling and football. Lawler was taken under the wing of Pat Miletich when he was 16 years old and began training with Miletich Fighting Systems as soon as he graduated in 2000.[4]


An excellent wrestler. Pro MMA at age 19.


ROCKHOLD- Wrestled

Luke started training injudowhen he was 6 years old but quit upon turning ten.[10]When he entered the seventh grade, he joined his school'swrestlingteam and stuck with the sport all throughSoquel High School[11]while taking jiu-jitsu classes.

Rockhold tried wrestling for a local community college but he felt the sport wasn't for him and instead took jiu-jitsu on full-time.[12]He experimented more with jiu-jitsu and began to find this gentle art complimented his long flexible body and style. After winning a few BJJ tournaments, he decided to ponder into mixed martial arts. In 2006, a friend invited Rockhold to train at theAmerican Kickboxing Academy(AKA) inSan Jose, California.[12]His raw talent and kicking displays immediately caught the eye of AKA head coach Javier Mendez, who touted Rockhold as a potential future champion.

Rockhold turned pro at 22.


CORMIER- Olympian Wrestler

JONES- Junior college wrestling champion that took Cormier down.

WERDUM- Started BJJ at 21 or 22 became world BJJ champ and world submission wrestling champion, turned pro mma age 25.

 

[Zimo]

How many with a striking base are champions? The two womens champs and Conor?

Rockhold, RDA and Werdum were mostly jitz guys and DJ, Cruz, Robbie and DC/Bones main base was wrestling.

Of recent former champs Barao and Aldo were from BJJ and Cain, The Chris, Johny and TJ were wrestlers. GSP, Anderson, Pettis and Bendo were mainly strikers pre-MMA.

Kind of seems like the more things change the more they stay the same.

MM-no
Cruz-no
Mc Gregor-Hell no
RDA-no
Lawler-no
Rockhold-no
Jones/cormier-yes
Werdum-no

Rockhold wrassler for half a year in community college, thats maybe it

 

[Zimo]

Wrestling is just as important now as it ever was. NCAA championships are not as important anymore because most of this new bread of MMA fighter is turning pro in MMA between age 18-22 which is the age that they would be in college. Most have a highschool wrestling background that may go back as far as starting wrestling at 8 years old today.

The fighters that do not have wrestling backgrounds are RDA,McGregor and Werdum. RDA turned pro MMA at age 19. Werdum was a late bloomer and started competing at BJJ at age 21, won a world BJJ championship and world submision wrestling championship by age 25 when he turned pro mma.

Werdum has been training his wrestling through MMA for at least 15 years.

RDA has been training his wrestling with his MMA for over 11 years and has excellent takedowns.

McGegor has been training his wrestling with MMA for thepast 11 years at least.


JOHNSON-Wrestler

Born in Kentucky, Johnson grew up inParkland, Washingtonwhere he attendedWashington High Schooland was a stand-out athlete in track,wrestling, and cross country. In wrestling, he placed 3rd and 2nd in state in his junior and senior years. Although he participated in track and cross country to improve his cardio for wrestling, he competed at the State Championships in both sports as well

Turned pro MMA at age 20.


CRUZ- Wrestler


Cruz competed inamateur wrestlingwhile attending junior high school in Tucson, Arizona.[8] Started pro mma career at age 20. Cruz is probably the best wrestler in his weight class.


McGregor- No. Pro MMA since age 20. Amateur MMA fights since age 18. McGregor started training wrestling through MMA at age 16.


RDA- No HS wrestling but has been pro MMA since 19.


LAWLER- Wrestler


Lawler was born in San Diego, California and moved to Bettendorf, Iowa at the age of ten to live with his father. Lawler began training in karate at the age of nine and later attended Bettendorf High School where he received All-State honors in wrestling and football. Lawler was taken under the wing of Pat Miletich when he was 16 years old and began training with Miletich Fighting Systems as soon as he graduated in 2000.[4]


An excellent wrestler. Pro MMA at age 19.


ROCKHOLD- Wrestled

Luke started training injudowhen he was 6 years old but quit upon turning ten.[10]When he entered the seventh grade, he joined his school'swrestlingteam and stuck with the sport all throughSoquel High School[11]while taking jiu-jitsu classes.

Rockhold tried wrestling for a local community college but he felt the sport wasn't for him and instead took jiu-jitsu on full-time.[12]He experimented more with jiu-jitsu and began to find this gentle art complimented his long flexible body and style. After winning a few BJJ tournaments, he decided to ponder into mixed martial arts. In 2006, a friend invited Rockhold to train at theAmerican Kickboxing Academy(AKA) inSan Jose, California.[12]His raw talent and kicking displays immediately caught the eye of AKA head coach Javier Mendez, who touted Rockhold as a potential future champion.

Rockhold turned pro at 22.


CORMIER- Olympian Wrestler

JONES- Junior college wrestling champion that took Cormier down.

WERDUM- Started BJJ at 21 or 22 became world BJJ champ and world submission wrestling champion, turned pro mma age 25.

Are you that dense?

Im talking about college wrassling

Not BJJ, Judo, HS wrassling, jesus wrestling etc or whatever the fuck youre on about

 

[KillerElite]

You would think people would realize that you don't have to be a D1 wrestler to become a good MMA wrestler. Honestly, it seems like the easiest of the bases for fighters to pick up and at least learn how to defend.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Strikers like Wonderboy are the future of MMA. Guys who have elite standup and can actually keep themselves from getting wresltefucked. It was clear in about 20 seconds that Hendricks was absolutely fucked if the fight stayed standing.

The fight I want to see is Wonderboy vs Rory. I have no idea if Wonderboy's wrestling is good enough to keep Rory off him. If it is, Rory is going to get fucking mauled. As for Robbie, he gets KO'd by Thompson within 2 rounds. Robbie's standup is fairly close to Hendricks, so he's going to get wrecked. Robbie is too dumb to try and wrestle him.

Fanboy is strong here.

 

[The Schmoop]

Decorated All american wrestlers like bader, rosholt, cain, mendes and of course hendriks recently lost and a few got ktfo

Years ago that wouldnt have happened, MMA was taken over by lnp merchants

Strikers have taken over!

cain absolutely mauled people and Hendricks has some nice KOs under his built. He's far from complete lay n pray (jake Obrien status). I hate layNpray but some of your examples are dogshit.

 

[KillerElite]

How many with a striking base are champions? The two womens champs and Conor?

Rockhold, RDA and Werdum were mostly jitz guys and DJ, Cruz, Robbie and DC/Bones main base was wrestling.

Of recent former champs Barao and Aldo were from BJJ and Cain, The Chris, Johny and TJ were wrestlers. GSP, Anderson, Pettis and Bendo were mainly strikers pre-MMA.

Kind of seems like the more things change the more they stay the same.

Bendo wrestled in high school and college

 

[Davemeddlehed]

Im talking about college wrestling

Hell, every tom, dick and harry did HS wrestling, even Zack Morris and AC slater did it. Should they be MMA fighters now, guy?

How much college wrestling did GSP have?

On the flipside King Mo couldn't take Feijao down to save his own life. And Henry Cejudo had similar trouble bringing Chico Camus down.

 

[Davemeddlehed]

Im talking about college wrestling

Hell, every tom, dick and harry did HS wrestling, even Zack Morris and AC slater did it. Should they be MMA fighters now, guy?

How much college wrestling did GSP, Tito, Hughes, or

All Americans are getting ktfo or subbed every fight. The gravy(lnp) train is over since most mma gyms train proper ttd

Are they? Where was the knockout on Rosholt last night?

 

[Zimo]

Bendo wrestled in high school and college

We're talking about the main league. Benson is a D league player now

 

[Zimo]

How much college wrestling did GSP have?

On the flipside King Mo couldn't take Feijao down to save his own life. And Henry Cejudo had similar trouble bringing Chico Camus down.

Youre basically proving my point

 

[Davemeddlehed]

Bendo wrestled in high school and college

He started TKD at like the age of 7 though. Similar situation to Robbie Lawler starting TMA early in life and developing wrestling a little further down the road prior to fighting for a living.

 

[theincognito]

Wrestlers who throw single-strikes and telegraph every takedown attempt, like Bader and Hendricks, are a dying breed. Improving footwork, athleticism, and ability to chain everything together are the reasons.