International [NATO News] Putin: lifting Ukraine missile restrictions would "put NATO at war with Russia"

As expected, Putin went from threatening Finland and Sweden with nukes just last week to "it's fine, they're not a threat to Russia" after his empty bluff is called this week.<Lmaoo>


Putin says Sweden and Finland joining NATO is fine after all.
"As for the expansion of NATO, including through new members of the alliance which are Finland, Sweden — Russia has no problems with these states”
By Tristan Bove | May 16, 2022

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Russian President Vladimir Putin attends the Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO) summit at the Kremlin in Moscow, Russia May 16, 2022.
Russian president Vladimir Putin once said that any more countries on Russia’s doorstep joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) constituted a threat to Russia, and would provoke “military and political consequences.”

In fact, Putin warned last year that NATO expanding its military infrastructure eastward into Ukraine would be a “red line” for Russia and perceived as a direct threat.

But three months into a Ukraine invasion that’s not going according to plan, and after two other countries close to Russia announced that they are joining NATO, Putin appears to be softening his tone, and resigning himself to the fact that NATO’s eastward expansion is happening anyway.

On Sunday, Finland—which shares an 800-mile border with Russia and was part of the Russian Empire for over a century—said it had applied to join NATO to ensure that its own national security would not be threatened by Russia in the future. On Monday, Sweden followed suit after a meeting amongst ruling party officials over the weekend, who voted to end the country’s 200-year neutrality policy.

“The issue at hand is whether military nonalignment will keep serving us well?” Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson said on Sunday. “We’re facing a fundamentally changed security environment in Europe.”

For months, Russian officials have warned against the two countries taking this decisive step, but now that it has actually happened, Putin appears to be doing his best to diminish the significance of the act.

"As for the expansion of NATO, including through new members of the alliance which are Finland, Sweden — Russia has no problems with these states,” Putin said Monday at a summit of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, a military alliance composed of several post-Soviet states.

Putin plays down the threat

For months, Russian officials have been saying that should Finland and Sweden join NATO, Russia would receive it as a threat, and respond by building up its military capabilities in the Baltic Sea. Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev even suggested in April that nuclear weapons and hypersonic missiles could be deployed. Just last week, Putin warned that Finland joining NATO would be a “mistake,” and suggested that Russia would interpret it as an act of aggression.

But Putin signaled on Monday that Finland and Sweden’s decision to join NATO is one of relative unimportance, and does not constitute a danger to Russia.

"Expansion at the expense of these countries does not pose a direct threat to Russia,” he said.

Putin also called NATO’s geographic expansion “artificial,” suggesting that the alliance’s spread is more symbolic in nature than anything else, despite having previously repeatedly requested assurances that NATO would not expand into Ukraine, something that Putin claims justified the invasion.

Should Finland’s membership be approved, it would double the length of NATO’s border with Russia.

Finland and Sweden joining NATO marks a historic shift in their foreign policy stances, as both countries are reversing their long-standing military neutrality policies in what is widely considered an admonishment to Russia and publicly for the West.

Putin’s apparent reversal on the importance of Sweden and Finland joining NATO was a surprise to many Russia watchers, but the Russian president is suggesting that he will react more aggressively should either country become a military threat to Russia.

Putin signaled on Monday that Russia might step up its military presence in the Baltics if the alliance decides to set up military bases or station weapons in Finland or Sweden, although did not indicate whether he would be willing to authorize sending nuclear weapons or heavy-duty missiles to the region.

“The expansion of military infrastructure into this territory will certainly cause our response. We will see what it will be based on the threats that will be created for us," Putin said.

Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson has said that NATO military bases and nuclear weapons are not welcome in the country, and that it does not intend to militarize to counter Russia.

But even if Putin is playing down the threat, and Nordic countries want to keep militarization out of it, joining NATO will inevitably create more “military tension” in the region, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said recently.

https://fortune.com/2022/05/16/sweden-finland-join-nato-putin-no-threat-russia/
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Sorry to disappoint the handful of "sky is falling" folks with pea-sized brains in the WR, no one in Russia are actually interested in being humiliated by the Finns again in Winter Wars 2.0 after being bogged down by little Ukraine, much less in a position to randomly declare war against the collective might of NATO for absolutely no good reasons whatsoever, which incidentally is now relevance and strong again after years of neglect, all thanks to Putin stealing his neighbors' territories.

Russian geostrategy never saw Finland even in Nato as a threat.

You are reading sensationalist news headlines. Ukraine due to the fact half the nation wants to be liberated, and the biolabs (proven in congress) and many other factors plus close strike potential to southern russian cities and the black sea makes Ukraine a much more desired piece of real estate
 
Excellent post.

And while I'm generally in agreement with @PrinceOfPain, we're miles apart on this topic. And the following seems to be at the center of our unvoiced disagreement:

"Given even a sliver of the power that a country like the United States possesses, only a fool would think they'd be any better, it's almost a guarantee that they would be a lot worse, based on the facts of how they behave as a regional power (utterly incapable of sound diplomacy, devoid of "soft power", relying on military boasts and threats to get their way."

And that sentence gets to the heart of so much that's going on nowadays in the west. No, the "west" isn't some altruistic innocent entity. But let's not pretend that if some other power rose to prominence after WW2 humanity would be better off. Even now, regional powers operate more aggressively and with less reciprocity than the US. This self flagellation coming from within is absolutely idiotic and myopic, while the blame game coming from outside seems to be motivated by anything from jealousy to illogical hate.

Only a fool trusts those with power and it takes an even bigger fool to trust those with power over them. But at least there's a semblance of accountability (this is deteriorating at an alarming pace) as well as checks and balances in the places we call the west. No such things exist in many countries. Russia being a prime example as well as the only relevant one in this case.

American suprmeacycells hate the idea of theie unholy empire losing.

But that isnt for you to decide
 
Russian geostrategy never saw Finland even in Nato as a threat.

You are reading sensationalist news headlines. Ukraine due to the fact half the nation wants to be liberated, and the biolabs (proven in congress) and many other factors plus close strike potential to southern russian cities and the black sea makes Ukraine a much more desired piece of real estate

What sensationalist headlines? The empty threats from the Kremlin were quoted verbatim in this very thread. How much of this discussion have you even read before jumping in here face-first? o_O



Putin's mental health must be in severe decline if he still can't grasp the extremely simple fact that the more threats Russia lobs at their neighbors, the more they want to join NATO.

The problem with these stupid bluffs is Russia will end up looking even more stupid than they are now, when the bluff is inevitably called a few days from now.

They ain't gonna do shit to Finland, unless they want a bitter taste of the Winter Wars all over again.
 
What sensationalist headlines? The empty threats from the Kremlin were quoted verbatim in this very thread. How much of this discussion have you even read before jumping in here face-first? o_O

I am talking real papers and what russian strategists have said for years.

Words in press arent too be too read into. We cant similarly take everything Biden or his press fools says with or as absolutr truth of what US policy is under Neoliberals or under Trumpers etc. There are major variations

I am telling you if you do your HW on this you will find that from Russian policy going back decades Finland was to ideally remain neutral but it in Nato isnt the threat to Russian interests as Ukraine is ans that is for a multitude of reasons.
 
No shit.

Non sequitur.

The idea that evil must continue to exist so that potential evil cannot come up or a potential "scary chinese rival" is foolish thinking

But that is your argument for this unholy regime under Biden and the Military complex. You and your types say "but what if China"

Yeah What ifs to excuse the crimes committed now against American citizens and humanity
 
Well, most likely Russia had miscalculated.
They assumed that will fold Ukraine very quickly, in few days and after this crying Germany and Hungary will prevent any serious sanctions ....like, ohh, they already are with new gubbermint, we can't do anything...

Now situation is different.
Germany can't afford to go against block Norway+Denmark+ Netherlands and their interest is to support U.K and US. Financial too, not only political.
While Norway alone is huge commodities exporter, with block US + U.K to deal ; this means to deal also with Canada and Australia, they too are huge commodities exporters, supports US and actually ...for their economy sanctions on Russia is good thing. If add here New Zealand...
Such block is backed also by South Korea, Japan and Singapore. All they benefits from EU and US, even U.K more than from trade with Russia.

It is too huge stuff for Russia to overcome financially and China is importing commodities not only from Russia.
 
Well, most likely Russia had miscalculated.
They assumed that will fold Ukraine very quickly, in few days and after this crying Germany and Hungary will prevent any serious sanctions ....like, ohh, they already are with new gubbermint, we can't do anything...

Now situation is different.
Germany can't afford to go against block Norway+Denmark+ Netherlands and their interest is to support U.K and US. Financial too, not only political.
While Norway alone is huge commodities exporter, with block US + U.K to deal ; this means to deal also with Canada and Australia, they too are huge commodities exporters, supports US and actually ...for their economy sanctions on Russia is good thing. If add here New Zealand...
Such block is backed also by South Korea, Japan and Singapore. All they benefits from EU and US, even U.K more than from trade with Russia.

It is too huge stuff for Russia to overcome financially and China is importing commodities not only from Russia.

Seriously your writing is incoherent. What are you saying? Nobody can understand you man
 
I am talking real papers and what russian strategists have said for years.

Words in press arent too be too read into. We cant similarly take everything Biden or his press fools says with or as absolutr truth of what US policy is under Neoliberals or under Trumpers etc. There are major variations

I am telling you if you do your HW on this you will find that from Russian policy going back decades Finland was to ideally remain neutral but it in Nato isnt the threat to Russian interests as Ukraine is ans that is for a multitude of reasons.

What a bunch of incoherent rambling about absolutely nothing.

Russia has been threaten Finland and Sweden for months with military retaliation if they dare to join NATO, that's an undisputed fact.

Russia is back-pedaling hard now that their empty bluff is called, that's also an undisputed fact.

There's nothing "sensational" about Putin shooting himself in the foot, and he's perfectly capable of doing that all by himself, without any help from any other entities listed in your utterly worthless post.

Please do not waste my time again with your nonsense. Thank you.
 
The idea that evil must continue to exist so that potential evil cannot come up or a potential "scary chinese rival" is foolish thinking

But that is your argument for this unholy regime under Biden and the Military complex. You and your types say "but what if China"

Yeah What ifs to excuse the crimes committed now against American citizens and humanity
Once again, what does this have to do with my post?

Evil doesn't have to exist. But it will continue to do so as long as we remain aggro monkeys.

If "my type" says what if China, and you willfully ignore it, then maybe you should reflect as to why. Btw, the implied questions in my post we're:
What if Germany won WW2?
What if Japan won WW2?
What if America and GB were wipe out?

Then:

What if SA became the global superpower?
What if China became the global superpower?
What if Russia?

What if you actually considered alternatives instead of reflexively pointing fingers like an infant?
 
Once again, what does this have to do with my post?

Evil doesn't have to exist. But it will continue to do so as long as we remain aggro monkeys.

If "my type" says what if China, and you willfully ignore it, then maybe you should reflect as to why. Btw, the implied questions in my post we're:
What if Germany won WW2?
What if Japan won WW2?
What if America and GB were wipe out?

Then:

What if SA became the global superpower?
What if China became the global superpower?
What if Russia?

What if you actually considered alternatives instead of reflexively pointing fingers like an infant?

China as a super power would be fine by me. It isnt for me to decide but we need a global change
 
Russian geostrategy never saw Finland even in Nato as a threat.

You are reading sensationalist news headlines. Ukraine due to the fact half the nation wants to be liberated, and the biolabs (proven in congress) and many other factors plus close strike potential to southern russian cities and the black sea makes Ukraine a much more desired piece of real estate
Yeah man having NATO right next to St. Petersburg is not a threat for Russia.

In related news, the Russian economy is booming, the special military operation will end in 2 weeks with Russian victory, and Western leaders will be tried and hanged like Nazi leaders for crimes against mother Russia.
 
China as a super power would be fine by me. It isnt for me to decide but we need a global change

Be careful what you wish for. The West is far from perfect , does shady and questionable things sometimes and certainly does have skeletons in it's closet but if you think a world led by China and/or Russia is a better alternative you're in for a rude awakening if you value personal freedoms , democracy and human rights.
 
Be careful what you wish for. The West is far from perfect , does shady and questionable things sometimes and certainly does have skeletons in it's closet but if you think a world led by China and/or Russia is a better alternative you're in for a rude awakening if you value personal freedoms , democracy and human rights.
Big "if" for that guy lmao
 
Yeah man having NATO right next to St. Petersburg is not a threat for Russia.

In related news, the Russian economy is booming, the special military operation will end in 2 weeks with Russian victory, and Western leaders will be tried and hanged like Nazi leaders for crimes against mother Russia.

What are smoking?
Be careful what you wish for. The West is far from perfect , does shady and questionable things sometimes and certainly does have skeletons in it's closet but if you think a world led by China and/or Russia is a better alternative you're in for a rude awakening if you value personal freedoms , democracy and human rights.

I know a world led by China is more fair and better. Ideally we get a multipolar world
 
I am talking real papers and what russian strategists have said for years.

Words in press arent too be too read into. We cant similarly take everything Biden or his press fools says with or as absolutr truth of what US policy is under Neoliberals or under Trumpers etc. There are major variations

I am telling you if you do your HW on this you will find that from Russian policy going back decades Finland was to ideally remain neutral but it in Nato isnt the threat to Russian interests as Ukraine is ans that is for a multitude of reasons.
Finland was neutral in the sense that their foreign policy made in Moscow was balanced out by internal politics made in Scandinavia.

They never made a move contrary to what Moscow wanted. That isn’t neutrality, but calling it that may have made it easier for everyone to stomach, including Finnish voters. It is also a good compromise given the ideological aspect of the Cold War and the potential threat of having their way of life fundamentally altered by communists.
 
Finland was neutral in the sense that their foreign policy made in Moscow was balanced out by internal politics made in Scandinavia.

They never made a move contrary to what Moscow wanted. That isn’t neutrality, but calling it that may have made it easier for everyone to stomach, including Finnish voters. It is also a good compromise given the ideological aspect of the Cold War and the potential threat of having their way of life fundamentally altered by communists.

What are you rambling about. Your past post made no sense and Idk why you responded to me and what you are talking about and alleging now is just a delusional opinion not fact.
 
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