Nate Diaz and Jake Paul agreed to fight in MMA for rematch in PFL

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Lets apply some common sense here.

Nate vs other world class MMA fighters, who fight at the highest level - Yes
Nate vs someone who's never fought MMA in their life - No

Its like asking if someone who is an aging world class swimmer should do poorly against someone thats never been in a pool because they can no longer compete with elite competition.

FFS

I think you're hanging too much on the "well Nates an MMA fighter and Jake isnt" angle rather than looking at the stylistic match up and other factors like size, age and athleticism.

Does Nate make much effort to take people down? no
Does Nate utilise a kicking game? no
Is he likely to change against Jake? no
Can he outbox Jake? no
Has it been proven Jake has the ability to drop him hard even with boxing gloves? yes

Dont you think Jake has considered all of these things too? why would he sign for a fight that he isnt confident he can win?

Also dont you think Jake has probably already been training MMA stuff for years if he takes an MMA fight? he was rolling with AJ Agazarm in like 2017/18 at least and he comes across to me like someone who was probably much more into MMA than boxing as a fan.

 

[Mentallooser]

Great for them! I hope they manage to make another ton of money

 

[benebox]

I really don't see Jake taking this fight but kudos to him if he does.

 

[rjmbrd]

I think you're hanging too much on the "well Nates an MMA fighter and Jake isnt"

Are you... joking?

What is going on here?

 

[TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle]

Are you... joking?

What is going on here?

What is going on is you are massively overestimating Nate purely on the basis that hes "officially" an MMA fighter, like this isnt a sport with a talent pool of a few thousand people, and one that sees crossover athletes transitioning into it constantly.

A bigger, stronger, younger, more athletic person who has superior boxing can train their defensive grappling well enough in a year or two to beat Nate at this point in his career. It may be a bitter pill to swallow but its true. Doesnt mean Jake is gonna be winning titles, it means hes cherry picking an older, smaller guy with a style he can deal with.

 

[Ibm]

Age:
Jake 25, physical prime
Nate 39ish and hasn't seemed to be training hard for years, "high milage"

Motivation:
Jake, young and hungry
Nate: old and already way richer than his wildest dreams

8 million net worth, damn! Never knew he was that rich.

 

[Ibm]

Jake needs to just land 1, he hits hard. Good payday for both these guys.

 

[MDoza]

I think you're hanging too much on the "well Nates an MMA fighter and Jake isnt" angle rather than looking at the stylistic match up and other factors like size, age and athleticism.

Does Nate make much effort to take people down? no
Does Nate utilise a kicking game? no
Is he likely to change against Jake? no
Can he outbox Jake? no
Has it been proven Jake has the ability to drop him hard even with boxing gloves? yes

Dont you think Jake has considered all of these things too? why would he sign for a fight that he isnt confident he can win?

Also dont you think Jake has probably already been training MMA stuff for years if he takes an MMA fight? he was rolling with AJ Agazarm in like 2017/18 at least and he comes across to me like someone who was probably much more into MMA than boxing as a fan.

I do agree with all of that, but Nate has a pretty solid clinch game against the fence.

That’s a fairly technical position that Nate will have a huge advantage in.

The fight will come down to how much Jake can learn about clinch fighting against the cage and whether his size/strength advantage can deal with Nate’s technique and experience advantage in that position.

If Nate can control the clinch against the cage and sap Jakes cardio, he could make it a long night for him.

 

[Dickie Greenleaf]

Paul is athletic and will spend months training takedown defense and underhook game with great wrestlers. Nate won't have an easy time taking him down and Paul will be hitting Nate with 4oz gloves. Won't be an easy night for Nate IMO.

 

[David Street]

Nate says rematch will also be boxing so time to move this to boxing.
Think if Paul does any MMA it will be with someone who is too old or too new to give him any challenge.

https://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/nat...aving-jake-paul-rematch-in-mma-nah-we-boxing/

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Nate says rematch will also be boxing so time to move this to boxing.
Think if Paul does any MMA it will be with someone who is too old or too new to give him any challenge.

https://www.bjpenn.com/mma-news/nat...aving-jake-paul-rematch-in-mma-nah-we-boxing/

Nate says a lot of things.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

I think you're hanging too much on the "well Nates an MMA fighter and Jake isnt" angle rather than looking at the stylistic match up and other factors like size, age and athleticism.

Does Nate make much effort to take people down? no
Does Nate utilise a kicking game? no
Is he likely to change against Jake? no
Can he outbox Jake? no
Has it been proven Jake has the ability to drop him hard even with boxing gloves? yes

Dont you think Jake has considered all of these things too? why would he sign for a fight that he isnt confident he can win?

Also dont you think Jake has probably already been training MMA stuff for years if he takes an MMA fight? he was rolling with AJ Agazarm in like 2017/18 at least and he comes across to me like someone who was probably much more into MMA than boxing as a fan.

What do you think will happen when they clinch?

I mean you're arguing like it is so crazy for the fight to hit the ground in an MMA fight, when one guy has never fought before and the other guy has fought everyone in MMA.

MMA is more complex then "one guy doesn't want to take the other guy down, so it won't go to the ground". These are 5 minute rounds, where clinching doesn't equate to the referee breaking it up. Nate already showed that he isn't scared of Jake's power.

Jake doesn't have anywhere to go if he gets tired. If he had a few fights instead of uh...rolling part time, then sure he could implement a more complex game plan. But there are so many chances that he could get subbed it's not even funny. Nate Diaz doesn't need to shoot a power double to get Jake on the ground.

He literally could just do it by punching. Nate does not have to "out box" Jake Paul. It isn't about who is the superior boxer. He just has to swarm Jake until he breaks, which doesn't seem nearly as unlikely as you think it is. Again, Nate has already shown that Jake's power isn't enough to stop him from going forward.

Jake being an actual boxer gave him superior ringmenship along with his obvious athletic advantage. He will not have the former if he is getting swarmed with punches. Running away is different in MMA and Jake probably doesn't have the tools to do that properly.

 

[ferrisjso]

Not sure he needs to fix it... I'm leaning 70/30 in favor of Jake even if they fight in MMA.

Diaz looked old and slow as hell. All the attributes are on Jake's side, and I bet he'll have at least 6-9 months to train jiujitsu and kickboxing. Younger, faster, stronger (he can wrestle some too), and I bet he's been training MMA, there's no way he just exclusively trains boxing.

I'd like to confident in Nate but Jake Paul is a master of Mayweatherism. If he signs on the dotted line he thinks he's probably going to win. Maybe that's not true in MMA and he's just curious and doesn't care if he loses. We'll see.

 

[mmaElite53]

MMA fighters don’t have the confidence of social media stars. They will lose every time.

 

[Doctor Grudge]

I'd like to confident in Nate but Jake Paul is a master of Mayweatherism. If he signs on the dotted line he thinks he's probably going to win. Maybe that's not true in MMA and he's just curious and doesn't care if he loses. We'll see.

I mean most big named fighters do that. They wouldn't take the fight otherwise (unless it was for a ton of money).

 

[don't ask]

the Nevada State Athletic Commission got them all, which is amazing

Huh. Was this before or after Ngannou signed with them?

 

[don't ask]

I've been a Diaz fan since the Jackson trilogy, but I think I'm finally falling off the bandwagon.

I don't think Nate is going to try at all and I'm surprised that other people still do.

 

[kingghidrah]

Huh. Was this before or after Ngannou signed with them?

The positive tests were from events on April 1st and April 7th. They were not officially announced (by NSAC) until May 17. Francis signed with them on May 16

So yeah kinda looks like they timed the announcement of Francis to head off too much bad publicity from the NSAC test results.

 

[Ibm]

People are underestimating Paul. Hes still a young kid with huge power, he has more than a punchers chance especially if he brings in top BJJ guys to help train him.

 

[Joshua King]

Not sure he needs to fix it... I'm leaning 70/30 in favor of Jake even if they fight in MMA.

Diaz looked old and slow as hell. All the attributes are on Jake's side, and I bet he'll have at least 6-9 months to train jiujitsu and kickboxing. Younger, faster, stronger (he can wrestle some too), and I bet he's been training MMA, there's no way he just exclusively trains boxing.

Plus, it's not like either Diaz was "good" at takedowns of any kind.
Jake keeps it on the feet and learns a leg kick he has it bagged.