Limelight My big stupid hype trains thread.

WW *Samandar Murodov - 1999 - Tajikistan - 10-0 vs. Jonathan Piersma 9-2
on a showcase bout at Road to UFC semi-finals on August 23rd.

UFC APEX, LAS VEGAS, NEVADA, UNITED STATES​

 
HuskySamoan said:
They've become a dominant force on the IMMAF scene often beating out the Caucasians too. Dunno, I know some tried to get on the Road to the UFC tournaments and the UFC has not accepted a single one but they put on Mongolians, Indians, Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Filipino, Indonesia, the odd Afghan and even Asian Americans. Part of me thinks they have to realize these guys and Russians are kinda a step ahead or at the front of the race so they're risky and less of a diversity hire. I'm still surprised how there hasn't been more push to grow the sport in places like Georgia or Armenia.

Honestly all the demographic hoohah and business talk I don't care about. To me stop signing these 5-1 US regional cans that are 28 and sign the 10-0 Kyrgyzstan guy who's 23 with a rich pedigree in combat sports since youth. The fuck.
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In an ideal world that would be the case but in the end UFC is a business they will never be a purist organization. Maybe if MMA becomes a sport in the Olympics this whole thing will change but even a guy like Jalolov who won 2 gold medals is struggling to get high profile fights in boxing. At the end of the day it is still a profession that people need to get paid for to make it worth. Especially in regions like central Asia, this might be not understandable from a western perspective but most of these guys need to get paid to make it worth. There is probably some guy out there that is or was undefeated in MMA working construction or something right now.
 
GreenGorilla said:
In an ideal world that would be the case but in the end UFC is a business they will never be a purist organization. Maybe if MMA becomes a sport in the Olympics this whole thing will change but even a guy like Jalolov who won 2 gold medals is struggling to get high profile fights in boxing. At the end of the day it is still a profession that people need to get paid for to make it worth. Especially in regions like central Asia, this might be not understandable from a western perspective but most of these guys need to get paid to make it worth. There is probably some guy out there that is or was undefeated in MMA working construction or something right now.
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Central Asia is very poor, a 12k/12k contract for them is upper middle class and life changing. In US 20K/20K and you can't afford to feed yourself as a fighter. I think it's mainly that the UFC just doesn't want to sign there guys, and also MMA fans don't understand or value talent at all. I wish it was like the NFL where there was a combine and drafts based off skill and positions based off results and ability etc. I know it's a business, I don't need people to explain that to me...I just refuse to be okay with it and will always speak against it because I'm a fan of combat sports and martial arts....not of a nationality or shit talking or guys brawling with shit technique. The sport is so much better than what we see.
 
I think it's a balance. I wish they'd sign more guys from Russia/Central Asia but at the same time if UFC cards looked like ACA cards much less people would watch so they do need to have somewhat of an excitement barrier for entry.
 
HuskySamoan said:
Central Asia is very poor, a 12k/12k contract for them is upper middle class and life changing. In US 20K/20K and you can't afford to feed yourself as a fighter. I think it's mainly that the UFC just doesn't want to sign there guys, and also MMA fans don't understand or value talent at all. I wish it was like the NFL where there was a combine and drafts based off skill and positions based off results and ability etc. I know it's a business, I don't need people to explain that to me...I just refuse to be okay with it and will always speak against it because I'm a fan of combat sports and martial arts....not of a nationality or shit talking or guys brawling with shit technique. The sport is so much better than what we see.
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Yeah that is what I am saying UFC will always act as a business first, it would take another entity for that to change which will never happen sadly. I agree it should be about who is the best but MMA is still seen as more of a spectacle than a professional sport with the general public.

I agree its bad for the sport, especially if one considers themselves a purist but this rings true for more things than just MMA. I am not gonna go on a capitalism bad rant but it is sadly the state of affairs for MMA and a lot of other things more important to our lives.

Edit. I just checked and the guy wrestling Snyder in the first round at the Olympics is a Chinese citizen with Kazakh ethnicity. Hence I think we might see more of those guys around, since UFC invest in that Chinese demographic.
 
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Hellowhosthat said:
I think it's a balance. I wish they'd sign more guys from Russia/Central Asia but at the same time if UFC cards looked like ACA cards much less people would watch so they do need to have somewhat of an excitement barrier for entry.
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Surely 60-80 spots for Russian fighters and 30-40 for Central Asia wouldn't turn it into ACA though, it would only represent 15-20% of the roster at most.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
I think it's a balance. I wish they'd sign more guys from Russia/Central Asia but at the same time if UFC cards looked like ACA cards much less people would watch so they do need to have somewhat of an excitement barrier for entry.
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PRIDE was full of Japanese fighters, UFC full of USA fighters most are middle of the pack guys. But you need to appeal to your core audience, it is where you get your money. Simple as that. PFL is having trouble building these leagues as yet not enough high level fighters in those regions. But they will find or make a few that UFC will eventually get.
 
David Street said:
PRIDE was full of Japanese fighters, UFC full of USA fighters most are middle of the pack guys. But you need to appeal to your core audience, it is where you get your money. Simple as that. PFL is having trouble building these leagues as yet not enough high level fighters in those regions. But they will find or make a few that UFC will eventually get.
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I used to have the stats, but there was 100+ Brazilians and like 28 Russians. Even accounting for having a larger fighter base being Spanish Speaking and English speaking from Latin America, US, Canada, Oceania, UK having priority...the rate at which they sign Central Asians and Russians is super low and when you see them sign cans from their go-to regions and pass on elite tier prospects it's just wild.
 
GreenGorilla said:
Shame Dulatov pulled out, he definitely would have won vs Meng.
Dana must have had a stroke watching that fight, he probably already had the contract ready for the guy to sign.
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Any other fight he'd have given Rami a contract for winning on short notice against a favourite. So bitter.
 
The_Renaissance said:
Any other fight he'd have given Rami a contract for winning on short notice against a favourite. So bitter.
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Nah not like that, he was far too negative. I knew there was no way he was getting a contract watching the fight.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Featherweight

#12 Jordan Vucenic signed with the UFC
#22 Edwin Cooper drops off because he seems to be an alcoholic and lost on TUF

  1. Losene Keita - 1997 - Guinea - Oktagon - 13-1
  2. Icaro Brito – 1999 – Brazil – LFA – 7-1 (New entry)
  3. Austin Bashi – 2001 – USA - Lights Out Championship – 12-0
  4. Evgeny Ignatiev - 1995 - Russia - RCC - 21-2-3
  5. Marcio Barbosa - 1998 - Brazil - LFA - 15-2
  6. Kevin Vallejos - 2001 - Argentina - Samurai Fight House - 13-1
  7. Jose Delano - 1996 - Brazil - LFA - 14-3
  8. Tae Kyun Kim - South Korea - UAE Warriors - 10-1
  9. Joo Sang Soo – 1994ish – South Korea – Zombie Fight Night – 7-0
  10. Kubanychbek Abdisalam Uulu - 1994 - Kyrgyzstan - BRAVE - 21-3
  11. Luke Riley - 1999 - England - Cage Warriors - 9-0
  12. Jose Ferreira - 1998 - Chile - LFA - 12-1
  13. Harry Hardwick 1995ish - England - Cage Warriors - 11-3-1
  14. Wellington Prado - 1999 - Brazil - Brothers FC - 14-3
  15. Ramiro Jimenez - 1999 - Mexico - Combate Global - 10-0
  16. Willian Souza - 1996 - Brazil - Jungle Fight - 13-2
  17. Anzor Chakhaev - Russia - Fight Nights Global - 6-0
  18. Inglesson de Lara – 1994 – Brazil – LFA – 9-1
  19. Marsel Nurlanbek Uulu - 1997 - Kyrgyzstan - Octagon - 13-0
  20. Maike Linhares - 1993 - Brazil - Fury FC - 19-3
  21. Igeu Kabesa - 1993 - DR Congo - EFC - 19-2
  22. Canaan Kawahaei - 1997 - United Fight League - 9-2
  23. Shin Haraguchi - 1998 - Japan - Grachan - 8-1
  24. Max Holzer - 2002 - Germany - Oktagon - 8-0
  25. Michael Aswell – 2000 – USA – Fury FC – 9-1 (New entry)
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Murtazali Magomedov of Kyrgyzstan is the Octagon champ, only 25. Dude wayyyyy belongs in this list.
 
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