My 2 y.o. niece sees ghosts

[Mike]

We could all be in the Matrix, bro. And I'm not kidding.

Anythings possible. I wouldn't rule out anything,

 

[fingercuffs]

I'm not watching the douche vid, but I certainly knew things weren't quite right from 4ish. Intuition is massive as a child. My Mum used to write letters/small words like the of and etc on bits of card for me, pre pre school. I'd tell her the word/letter before she even held it up.

 

[Mike]

Totally legit point. I stay constantly baffled by the people who think that ghosts/the paranormal is something that can be captured and tested in a laboratory . . . or else it doesn't exist. With this phenomena, we have no idea what it is. Why should we expect it to cooperate with the scientific method?

People go a little overboard with their trust in technology. We've had relatively advanced tech for what, less than a hundred years? We were riding around on horses and dying to the flu not that long ago. Why would you think we've discovered everything there is to know, or that everything is even observable with scientific means?

 

[Guestx]

Yeah I always thought the logic "oh kids are like still innocent and stuff, so they're more tied to the spiritual realm OoOOoOOhh" was pretty dumb as well. As you said their brains are still developing and they're basically half retarded. Little kids don't fully grasp what's reality and what isn't yet, why would anyone assume they have extra knowledge or perception about the world.

There's actually another possibility. . .

We have several incarnations in this world. In between incarnations, we exist in the spiritual realm planning our next existence. It takes some time, after entering the physical, to fully shed our connection to our in-between existence.

There is some interesting evidence to back this idea up.

 

[Guestx]

People go a little overboard with their trust in technology. We've had relatively advanced tech for what, less than a hundred years? We were riding around on horses and dying to the flu not that long ago. Why would you think we've discovered everything there is to know, or that everything is even observable with scientific means?

Yeah. Take ghosts for instance. People are like, "Why don't we have definitive video?" That is even to suppose that ghosts can be captured on video. There's no actual reason to believe that they would react--or be susceptible--to any of our instruments. You have to know what something IS before making assumptions like that.

 

[fingercuffs]

There's actually another possibility. . .

We have several incarnations in this world. In between incarnations, we exist in the spiritual realm planning our next existence. It takes some time, after entering the physical, to fully shed our connection to our in-between existence.

There is some interesting evidence to back this idea up.

See all the evidence I have is from a dictaphone and actual eyes, then my face nearly burning off. The only proof from that is that things aren't right. But aside from me feeling like my Grandpa might be watching having sex, there's nothing. It's all unexplainable. And that does my head in, I can't cope with no proof.

 

[Guestx]

See all the evidence I have is from a dictaphone and actual eyes, then my face nearly burning off. The only proof from that is that things aren't right. But aside from me feeling like my Grandpa might be watching having sex, there's nothing. It's all unexplainable. And that does my head in, I can't cope with no proof.

Can you explain that a bit more?

 

[Mike]

Yeah. Take ghosts for instance. People are like, "Why don't we have definitive video?" That is even to suppose that ghosts can be captured on video. There's no actual reason to believe that they would react--or be susceptible--to any of our instruments. You have to know what something IS before making assumptions like that.

The idea that cameras could pick up ghosts has always been weird to me. How do we know they would even show up on camera. Their could be entire worlds or dimensions beyond what we can see. Everything we can see is just a limited part of the spectrum, we already know many other frequencies exist besides the narrow band we can see.

 

[Mike]

See all the evidence I have is from a dictaphone and actual eyes, then my face nearly burning off. The only proof from that is that things aren't right. But aside from me feeling like my Grandpa might be watching having sex, there's nothing. It's all unexplainable. And that does my head in, I can't cope with no proof.

Yeah I've seen some weird stuff, and some of it was witnessed by others as well. Of course people always say herp derp you all hallucinated it. And maybe we did, bit that's not the only possibility.

 

[fingercuffs]

Can you explain that a bit more?

Tomorrow. I'm off to spoon my honey.

Night, SP.

 

[Guestx]

The idea that cameras could pick up ghosts has always been weird to me. How do we know they would even show up on camera. Their could be entire worlds or dimensions beyond what we can see. Everything we can see is just a limited part of the spectrum, we already know many other frequencies exist besides the narrow band we can see.

It's reluctance to believe in the actual, real-deal supernatural. They are still trying to force the phenomena to play according to our rules . . . to make it something that, if it exists at all, is just an aspect of the natural world that we don't fully understand yet.

And I get it. Maybe that really is the case. But maybe instead the supernatural is exactly that and it says, "Fuck your natural laws, fuck your world, we do what we want."

 

[Guestx]

Tomorrow. I'm off to spoon my honey.

Night, SP.

Night. I look forward to hearing more about your story.

 

[Scrody]

I'm not overly superstitious, but I've had a couple of freaky experiences that defied logic. I think that there are a lot of things that we cannot see.

 

[Mike]

It's reluctance to believe in the actual, real-deal supernatural. They are still trying to force the phenomena to play according to our rules . . . to make it something that, if it exists at all, is just an aspect of the natural world that we don't fully understand yet.

And I get it. Maybe that really is the case. But maybe instead the supernatural is exactly that and it says, "Fuck your natural laws, fuck your world, we do what we want."

I get not wanting to believe every stupid thing people make up, I'm a skeptic myself and a lot of people are ridiculously gullible and superstitious. However there's a difference between that and acting like we have everything figured out, and there's not even a possibility that there are phenomena out there we don't understand. That's just arrogant to me.

 

[Guestx]

I get not wanting to believe every stupid thing people make up, I'm a skeptic myself and a lot of people are ridiculously gullible and superstitious. However there's a difference between that and acting like we have everything figured out, and there's not even a possibility that there are phenomena out there we don't understand. That's just arrogant to me.

Well I agree. A lot of people are like that though, for whatever reason. I think it's obvious that there's something psychological there. Many of these people act like these sorts of ideas are literally threatening to them.

 

[Mike]

Well I agree. A lot of people are like that though, for whatever reason. I think it's obvious that there's something psychological there. Many of these people act like these sorts of ideas are literally threatening to them.

People don't like things outside of their comfort zone. It's funny i was simultaneously having almost the exact opposite conversation about religion in the wr. Religion honestly sounds nice, but I don't see any proof there. If you look at life from a scientific perspective, it's mostly cold and brutal.


However that doesn't mean there isn't more to it than just what we see. I try to keep an open mind to all possibilities but ultimately I need some sort of evidence to firmly believe in anything. I look at the strange things I've experienced and try to accept that theres a chance there all delusions or hallucinations or what have you, and there's a chance there a glimpse of something we can't really understand.

 

[andnowweknow]

We lose certain abilities quite quickly that we have as very young people. The most notable being able to see EM auras on living things. I cant remember how they proved this but I read a credible scientific study about it quite a while ago. Interestingly some people never lose the ability and its one thats possible for everyone with sight to pick up again with certain exercises.
Also a theory I must have read somewhere suggests that so called ghosts and the like are potentially temporal anomalies rather than conscious entities. The
amount of weird shit that can happen in spacetime is something inherently difficult to and not very well researched.
If you think of a ghost as being like an overexposure in a photo, but the photo being the proverbial fabric of spacetime it makes for an entirely different yet plausible explanation.

Current reductionist science has a hard time with stuff like this but everyone knows there is much more than meets the eye in this universe we inhabit. I'm not necessarily endorsing your specific view but I certainly think it or something like it is more plausible than the throw away "imagination" tact of logic bandied about in the rationalist circles of modern science.

 

[cartizel]

I can't lie, Swayze and Whoopi Goldberg freaked me the fuck out in Ghost. Casper, now that flick scared a brother!

 

[andnowweknow]

I'd also posit that things like the UFO phenomena are more than just imagination and dishonesty, even though that certainly exists. It's also likely that it's not et's buzzing around.

The reality is we don't really have a good grasp on the reality of the present, let alone the past or the future...all of which may in fact have fundamentally different truths intrinsic to them.

 

[andnowweknow]

I can't lie, Swayze and Whoopi Goldberg freaked me the fuck out in Ghost. Casper, now that flick scared a brother!

Did you tell the whole theater about it at the time?