Mueller's Patton the back (investigation thread v. 22)

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waiguoren said:
I think he's consistently a civil libertarian

I do think he loves attention.

If you want to be a conspiracy theorist about it, your best line of attack is that he is very high on Trump since seeing the various pro-Israel actions Trump has taken since inauguration
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I would not consider your proposed assessment of Dershowitz as a conspiracy theory. It seems like a shrewd calculation from a piece of shit man, like we have seen countless times in Washington, the land of scummy bedfellows.
 
hillelslovak87 said:
I would not consider your proposed assessment of Dershowitz as a conspiracy theory. It seems like a shrewd calculation from a piece of shit man, like we have seen countless times in Washington, the land of scummy bedfellows.
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So you believe he has decided to defend Trump because of the embassy move and other pro-Israel measures?

That might be an interesting theory if Dershowitz hadn't been making the same arguments for decades. He defended President Clinton with many of the exact same arguments.
 
waiguoren said:
So you believe he has decided to defend Trump because of the embassy move and other pro-Israel measures?

That might be an interesting theory if Dershowitz hadn't been making the same arguments for decades. He defended President Clinton with many of the exact same arguments.
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Maybe not those issues specifically, but I view Dershowitz as I do other politicians. He will ally with whoever is in power to ensure his agenda, and the agendas of the people he is allied with, are seen through.

I don't like any of these people, and I view Dershowitz the same way I view someone like Richard Painter. I have no idea why these people are still listened to.
 
hillelslovak87 said:
Maybe not those issues specifically, but I view Dershowitz as I do other politicians. He will ally with whoever is in power to ensure his agenda, and the agendas of the people he is allied with, are seen through.

I don't like any of these people, and I view Dershowitz the same way I view someone like Richard Painter. I have no idea why these people are still listened to.
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Don't know much about Painter besides his weird voice. What don't you like about him?

Dershowitz comes out against people from time to time. He has come out publicly against multiple Trump policies. The only politicians I've seen him denounce outright are those he perceives to be anti-Semitic, such as Keith Ellison.

He also had a nasty argument with Painter recently in which the two of them started flinging insults at each other.
 
Dershowitz is playing devils advocate and getting a lot of attention and making a good buck doing it.
 
waiguoren said:
TRUMP REPORTEDLY CLOSE TO DECLASSIFYING CARTER PAGE AND BRUCE OHR DOCUMENTS

President Trump is reportedly on the verge of declassifying documents related to the government’s surveillance of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page and FBI documents regarding Justice Department official Bruce Ohr.

House Republicans have recently pressed Trump to declassify the documents, which they claim undercuts the FBI and Justice Department’s rationale for opening an investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian government.

Axios reported on Sunday that Trump’s allies say that he is close to declassifying the documents.

Sources familiar with Trump’s thinking have told The Daily Caller News Foundation over the past week that they believed Trump was close to releasing the documents.

Trump himself told The Daily Caller in an Oval Office interview on Sept. 4 that he is “very seriously” considering declassifying the documents.


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https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/09/trump-declassify-bruce-ohr-carter-page/

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Ya think those documents are going to have the list of the 200 communists in the state department McCarthy was talking about too?
 
waiguoren said:
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Host: I thought that George Papadopolous was the key to this whole case, at least that's what we first heard. We don't want to minimize the fact that he lied to the FBI. You should tell the truth to the FBI. We talked about this with General Flynn and others. But professor, a lot of people were claiming months ago that this was going to somehow prove Russian collusion.

Dershowitz: Well it certainly hasn't done that. I think it reflects what a lot of judges feel. That the law today that permits people to be prosecuted for lying without taking an oath is very dangerous to all Americans. There should be a law that says you can't be prosecuted for lying unless you put your hand in the air, on a bible and swore to tell the truth. The FBI finds it so easy, and the prosecutors find it so easy to just approach somebody, talk to him on the street, ask him a question, get them to tell something which is then contradicted, and suddenly they have committed a felony. So there's a lot of feeling that there's a difference between lying under oath to Congress, lying under oath to a grand jury, or telling a fib to somebody who is talking to you whether they are an FBI agent or a prosecutor. So I suspect the sentence reflects that. The sentence also reflects
that the alleged lie or the lie was not particularly material to the investigation. The claim is that it prevented them from interviewing a witness which they might otherwise been allowed to interview. The judge, obviously, by his sentence, indicated that he wasn't impressed with that argument. That's why we have judges. Prosecutors shouldn't be the ones to determine in the end the truth or the extent of the truth or the sanction for telling an untruth.

Host: Professor, we're a long way from when he originally pleaded guilty and everyone thought this was the beginning of the end, "the walls are closing in" as we heard time and time again. This is how the media framed the original guilty plea. Listen:

(montage of Jim Acosta and others taking about "bombshells")

Host: Jim Acosta was all over it! Bombshells everywhere! Now here we are: 14 days.

Dershowitz: I thought there was a weakness right away in the beginning because they indicted him for the weakest charge, that is, lying to an FBI agent instead of conspiracy to commit some crime in relation to Russia. Charging someone with lying to a law enforcement official is usually a signal that they don't have a strong case against him. That's obviously what happened here.

Host: Last question: what signals do you read from what we're now hearing that Special Counsel Mueller has indicated to the Trump team that he can give written answers on Russian collusion?

Dershowitz: I think we're seeing a charade where both sides know that the president is not going to sit down and talk, but each side would like to be able to say, "oh, I wanted to talk" or "oh, I wanted to give him an opportunity to talk" and it's his fault. You know, I hope we can also mention just for a minute, I know you wanted me to talk about the 25th Amendment and my friend, Senator Warren, calling for its invocation. You have to read the 25th Amendment and understand that it was never intended to medicalize political differences. Even President Obama yesterday used the term "paranoia". It's very dangerous when we try to psychiatrize political differences. That's not what the 25th Amendment was about. It was about a president who was shot, or a president who was having a psychotic breakdown, and didn't know the difference between right and wrong. It was not intended for a substitute for impeachment and we ought to get off that as soon as possible. Otherwise we will really really undercut the important meaning of the 25th Amendment.

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A lot of goat entrail reading by Alan D there as to what the judge was thinking, without him noting the fact that the judge said that "Roughly 60 percent of defendants in such cases receive probation" and that George P's lying was “significantly more serious than the typical violation,” which is why the judge sentenced him to prison, but that the sentence was less than the 30 days Alex van der Zwaan received because George P did cooperate and expressed his contrition.

And along with the contrition, George P's lawyer was painting George's motives as that of a naively eager young man with stars in his eyes to get into the Trump administration, and he said "The president of the United States hindered this investigation more than George Papadopoulos ever could...The message for all of us is to check our loyalty, to tell the truth, to help the good guys.”
 
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tonni said:
I’m not sure if I’ll ever stop laughing if his two sons go to jail.
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If the 4 of them all went to jail for life I believe I would orgasm.
That's just for you @bobgeese I know it's what you want. I'll record it if you ask me, for a fee.
hillelslovak87 said:
Maybe not those issues specifically, but I view Dershowitz as I do other politicians. He will ally with whoever is in power to ensure his agenda, and the agendas of the people he is allied with, are seen through.

I don't like any of these people, and I view Dershowitz the same way I view someone like Richard Painter. I have no idea why these people are still listened to.
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Continuing a theme here, I view him as a prostitute with Faux News as the pimp.
 
waiguoren said:
That's the one I'm referring to.
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I posted blasting the Ohr/Stone declassification, you responding with some long ass Derschowitz rambling about Papadopulous, what's the relevancy (I legit didn't read Derschowitz and frankly I refuse to, his intellectual dishonesty is mind numbing)
waiguoren said:
Let's have a bet on it.
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I said MAY. I still don't believe he will but he is closing on Stone fairly quickly

Also, your girl Butina is sitting in jail till trial and her attorneys have a gag order. Damn that government fuck up sure hurt their case that she's a flight risk
 
Gandhi said:
The people that did not vote, especially anyone to the left of Attila the Hun are even dumber
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There is a great deal of evidence of significant voter suppression in the 2016 election. They ain't all just dumb.
 
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