More impressive: Jones beating Gane or Silva beating Forrest ?

Jones over Gane.

Beating an already worse striker than you who's high on Xanax and therefore even worse than normal isn't more impressive than just flat out flawlessly destroying the #1 HW in the division.
 
Mr Fahrenheit said:
We’d already seen Cormier move up and beat an actual reigning champion. I don’t think the move is necessarily harder.
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The majority of Cormier's career is at HW. Not LHW.

Pretty different than Jones' situation where the majority of his career is LHW, not HW.
 
markg171 said:
The majority of Cormier's career is at HW lol.
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Yea and yet he made 205 regularly. Most large LHWs could do that and many smaller HWs could cut but don’t. Because the difference between HW and LHW is often not bothering to diet. It doesn’t make it more impressive just because it’s more pounds.
 
Jones tapped out a white belt, Anderson made a recent champ look like an amateur at his own strength.
 
I pick Silva over Forrest.
Jones over Gane was a little surprising (to my dumb ass).
But Silva over Forrest was freaking shocking.
 
Jones hand picked a guy with zero wrestling, when that's Jones biggest strength.

Forrest is not the best striker in the world but he's far from clueless.

Plus, as others have said, Jones took 2 years to bulk up and duck ngannou. Anderson just jumped right in.
 
Mr Fahrenheit said:
Yea and yet he made 205 regularly. Most large LHWs could do that and many smaller HWs could cut but don’t. Because the difference between HW and LHW is often not bothering to diet. It doesn’t make it more impressive just because it’s more pounds.
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Having only 9/26 fights at LHW, including one where he obviously missed weight, before going back to the division he fought the other 17 fights at is pretty different than a guy fighting 27x in a row at LHW without issue before moving up to HW 1x.

There's a reason why Cormier's 300lbs in his retirement and not closer to 205.
 
ThunderStruck said:
But nobody ever thought he had the striking to hang with Silva to begin with.
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Yeah the narrative was that Forrest was a really big LHW who could wear on Silva and slow him down.

When he was instead Xanax striking with him in the 1st the outcome was rather obvious. Maybe nobody expected Silva to enter the Matrix sure, but that wasn't how anybody seriously thought Forrest could beat him.
 
Oris79 said:
In terms of moving up a weight class and destroying your opponent:
It's close but I gotta go with Silva:

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BTW, I Love how that Anderson-Forrest clip is slowed down then sped up. Like the disparity needed to be exaggerated even further.
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Mr Fahrenheit said:
Yea I asked myself the same question when I read the OP. To me they are pretty close. Gane nearly beat Ngannou after cruising against the rest of the division (albeit no wrestlers); Forrest got a title fight from a two-fight winning streak, won the belt, then got knocked out. History will remember Gane as the superior fighter unless his career falls off a cliff from here, but they are both in that weak champ/excellent contender range.

The real issue here is the styles make fights thing. Forrest was fairly well-rounded. Gane is one-dimensional. If Silva had moved and and faced someone like Gane he might have had trouble. If Jones had gone up and faced someone like Forrest, he might have had trouble.
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That’s a good point, being well-rounded versus being a specialist one isn’t necessarily “better” than the other, it’s just different and a lot of it comes down to matchups.

As far as history is concerned though I think it remains to be seen how Gane will be viewed. If he retires tomorrow then he was a specialist with some great Kos but never got the belt despite multiple opportunities. While Forrest did get a title shot off of a two win streak the second win saw him dominate and finish the #1 ranked LHW in the world. And importantly he actually won the belt despite being an underdog against the #1 LHW in the world.

Two back to back wins over the #1 guy in his weight class and being one of only handful of guys to win a title I think would put him above Gane as it stands right now, but who knows what will happen with Ganes career from this point on.
 
HavokHarmon said:
That’s a good point, being well-rounded versus being a specialist one isn’t necessarily “better” than the other, it’s just different and a lot of it comes down to matchups.

As far as history is concerned though I think it remains to be seen how Gane will be viewed. If he retires tomorrow then he was a specialist with some great Kos but never got the belt despite multiple opportunities. While Forrest did get a title shot off of a two win streak the second win saw him dominate and finish the #1 ranked LHW in the world. And importantly he actually won the belt despite being an underdog against the #1 LHW in the world.

Two back to back wins over the #1 guy in his weight class and being one of only handful of guys to win a title I think would put him above Gane as it stands right now, but who knows what will happen with Ganes career from this point on.
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Plus its not like Forrest had lost the belt in his previous fight looking clueless. He was arguably up in the scorecards until the 3rd round vs Rashad Evans in their tittle fight.

The Xanax thing is one of the most embarassing / cheapest excuses I have read in sherdog which is something. As if taking pills for sleep was something extraordonary anyways.

Definitely not something Forrest himself uses as any kind of excuse
 
I WILL CUT YOU said:
Jones beating Gane.


No one on here told me that Forrest was the best striker in MMA and would easily beat Silva.
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To be fair Forrest was only a fight or two out of being LHW champ and Silva didn't take years to bulk up, he popped up and then back down in a short period.

I would personally say Silva's was better because Forrest was pretty good all round, while Gane has a huge hole in his game which has now being exposed multiple times. Jones just took advantage of a significant weakness, which was impressive but not as much as Silva's win IMO.
 
Forrest because he was a champion 1 fight ago.
 
pankrat said:
The Xanax thing is one of the most embarassing / cheapest excuses I have read in sherdog which is something. As if taking pills for sleep was something extraordonary anyways.

Definitely not something Forrest himself uses as any kind of excuse
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We literally only know about the Xanax because Forrest himself revealed that he'd failed his drug test for it. NSAC never mentioned it or seemingly suspended him given he fought 3 months later against Tito. Forrest brought it up.

As to whether it's a valid excuse, the reason why people mention it is because Forrest looks so different in this fight compared to all his others in this period. And yeah, it does look like he's on a muscle relaxant once you know one literally was in his system.

Yes Silva is the better striker. Forrest was a good striker, but was expected to challenge him by being a very big LHW who could lean on him, slow him down, and possibly take him down where his weight and size would be even more of an advantage. Silva entering the Matrix wasn't something anybody expected to happen. Maybe another KO sure, but not what he did. Forrest being on Xanax does help explain why Silva Matrix him meanwhile Shogun, Rampage, and Rashad, all great strikers, couldn't do this to him at this time.

Believe it played a factor or not. It was over 14 years ago.
 
pankrat said:
Plus its not like Forrest had lost the belt in his previous fight looking clueless. He was arguably up in the scorecards until the 3rd round vs Rashad Evans in their tittle fight.

The Xanax thing is one of the most embarassing / cheapest excuses I have read in sherdog which is something. As if taking pills for sleep was something extraordonary anyways.

Definitely not something Forrest himself uses as any kind of excuse
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People just read sensationalist headlines saying he failed a test for Xanax and then just assume he took a lot right before the fight, he took it the night before to sleep. In low levels (which he would have that long after taking his normal dose the night before) sedatives like Xanax can actually be a PED (and thus is banned) by decreasing anxiety while not hurting you physically.
 
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Mr Fahrenheit said:
We’d already seen Cormier move up and beat an actual reigning champion. I don’t think the move is necessarily harder.
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Only difference is Cormier was a HW to begin with.
Also I rate Cormier as a better multi weight fighter than both Silva and Jones
Beating a prime Stipe is a great accolade
 
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Gane was best or second best HW and Forrest... gatekeeper, random lucky champion.
 
Anderson's flawless victory over 2 rounds against a very big LHW is arguably the most impressive one-sided beat down ever.

Jones' win was one-sided when it hit the mat. Until that point, Jones looked stiff, off balance, sloppy, honestly the same issues with his striking as he's always had, but worse. I guess he never saw a need to change anything since he hasn't really lost but... IDK I came away very underwhelmed to see no noticeable improvement in striking and if anything a decline. Obviously he schooled him in the grappling and won the belt which is insane and great. But overall my votes to Andy
 
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