Elections More Americans Identify as Republican than Democrat for the first time in 30 Years

[HOLA]

Crime is down, yes? Way off recent highs and recent highs were below the '90s, right? Why do you have to be so dramatic? Just be honest from the start.

And crime in the 90's was already itself way down. That's what Giuliani (rather dishonestly) took credit for back then - cleaning up the city.

People acting like NYC is going Mad Max all of a sudden are watching too much Fox News...who incidentally have their HQ right smack dab in the middle of Manhattan... And whose top talking heads probably have apartments in Manhattan or live out on the island.

You'd figure if it was such a hellhole they'd move to a better place like West Virginia or Mississippi where their viewers are from.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Sure, in the real The Great Gatsby areas. But if you're familiar with it you'd know nothing magical happens when you go from like Great Neck to Bayside. It's the same shit, except you can't turn right on red in Queens. The area around Hofstra, NCC, The Coliseum, Hempstead turnpike, is just as urban if not more than many areas of the city.

In many of the areas of Brooklyn that were rough 30 years ago, your greatest inconvenience today would probably be some passive aggressive hipster on his vespa scooter, or some asshole in his spandex and bicycle who thinks he owns the road.

Well, it sounds like we've had different experiences.

Not that it's always been. Things, as far as I understand, were much worse in the 70's and 80's. But I have 20 years of experience. More than 20, actually. Cut class all the time and went in with my friends plenty even before 9/11. And it does not seem worse to me. My sister's husband works in finance on Broadway and has for 25 years. Does not seem worse to him.

This does not, to be clear, mean there isn't any crime, of course there is, and It's really silly that I have to make that clarification.

Jonathan Lethem lived in Boerum Hill as a kid, and he writes about how kids would have decoy money in their pockets to give to muggers (while most of their money was in their socks).

 

[Jack V Savage]

And crime in the 90's was already itself way down. That's what Giuliani (rather dishonestly) took credit for back then - cleaning up the city.

People acting like NYC is going Mad Max all of a sudden are watching too much Fox News...who incidentally have their HQ right smack dab in the middle of Manhattan... And whose top talking heads probably have apartments in Manhattan or live out on the island.

You'd figure if it was such a hellhole they'd move to a better place like West Virginia or Mississippi where their viewers are from.

Way cheaper too! NYC as a whole has a lower crime rate than Florida as a whole, but Fox will never acknowledge that.

 

[HOLA]

Jonathan Lethem lived in Boerum Hill as a kid, and he writes about how kids would have decoy money in their pockets to give to muggers (while most of their money was in their socks).

Yeah, it was supposed to be pretty rough back then. Hence the popularity of movies like Death Wish, where Charles Bronson just goes vigilante and kills all the bad guys. Or The Guardian Angels guarding the subways. Which...they're kind of larping nincompoops, but people liked them because they made them feel protected.

My mom was born in Bedford Stuyvesant and moved out on the island in the 1950s. She came from an Italian family. The neighborhood changed drastically. Demographics completely shifted in the 1950's. Tons of racial conflict, tons of gang activity. Eventually became famous for guys like Biggie rapping on the street corner. It was a legit rough area then.

Place is NOTHING like that today. It's filled with yuppies and a sky-high housing market.

 

[Nizam al-Mulk]

And crime in the 90's was already itself way down. That's what Giuliani (rather dishonestly) took credit for back then - cleaning up the city.

People acting like NYC is going Mad Max all of a sudden are watching too much Fox News...who incidentally have their HQ right smack dab in the middle of Manhattan... And whose top talking heads probably have apartments in Manhattan or live out on the island.

You'd figure if it was such a hellhole they'd move to a better place like West Virginia or Mississippi where their viewers are from.

I just see them counterbalance and would dump them into space but for optics reasons, they should.

 

[PhitePhan]

You would think the national guard being brought into protect the subways would be an indication of a problem to these guys.

National Guard to be deployed in New York City subway in crime crackdown: Governor​

At least 750 National Guard members will be deployed.

National Guard to be deployed in New York City subway in crime crackdown: Governor

New York National Guard troops and New York State Police troopers will be deployed into the subway system to help riders feel safe after a spike in transit crime.

abcnews.go.com

 

[koquerelle]

Total votes are an irrelevant measure. Population is rising, and it was easier to vote than usual last time. But the big flaw here is reading WR nuts as normal. Most presidential general voters barely pay attention to politics and definitely don't hate the other party on a visceral level. Typically, about 40% of American adults can't name the vice president. That's lower among voters but it's still much higher than I think you appreciate. Even to the extent votes are driven by negative polarization, it’s mostly just people not "getting" their opponents and voting the way the rest of their church, workplace, or family votes. This is also a major flaw in the thinking of online weirdos who think everything is about trans people (most voters aren't even aware that that's an "issue" to a lot of people).

Total votes are an irrelevant measure.: I thought it wasn't, but I admit I didn't look at any serious article explaining the jump.

But the big flaw here is reading WR nuts as normal.: Absolutely on board with you. We can even go further. It's a MMA forum and it doesn't even represent the MMA fans community (contrary to what many here think).

Typically, about 40% of American adults can't name the vice president.: Are you serious? That's sad.

I think we see many things here the same way, but come to different conclusions. I come back at you with the same questions:

-How big a change would a party have to make for voters to stay home and not vote or change allegiance? You said: "If a small portion of white voters stay home or vote on the basis of economic policy as a result of the proposed change, that could be decisive."

-Many Bernie bros said they wouldn't vote, yet Biden got a record number of votes. Did they stay true to their word and take a chance Trump would win or did they vote for Clinton?

-The racists who hate Vance and his wife, are they going to stay home and take a chance on Harris winning?

 

[koquerelle]

This administration is more pro war than others

How so? I don't understand what you mean.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Total votes are an irrelevant measure.: I thought it wasn't, but I admit I didn't look at any serious article explaining the jump.

But the big flaw here is reading WR nuts as normal.: Absolutely on board with you. We can even go further. It's a MMA forum and it doesn't even represent the MMA fans community (contrary to what many here think).

Typically, about 40% of American adults can't name the vice president.: Are you serious? That's sad.

Very serious. The precise number changes slightly from poll to poll, but it's consistently in that range. Big portion can't name anyone on the SCOTUS too, but I don't recall the numbers. People don't care and don't pay attention, for the most part.

I think we see many things here the same way, but come to different conclusions. I come back at you with the same questions:

-How big a change would a party have to make for voters to stay home and not vote or change allegiance? You said: "If a small portion of white voters stay home or vote on the basis of economic policy as a result of the proposed change, that could be decisive."

Wouldn't have to be that big. Remember, lots of people stay home in every election. Lots of people who do vote could have gone either way on that decision. Maybe talked into going on election day.

-Many Bernie bros said they wouldn't vote, yet Biden got a record number of votes. Did they stay true to their word and take a chance Trump would win or did they vote for Clinton?

Lots of them stayed home or didn't vote. Not a high percentage (that is a small percentage is still a large number), but, yeah, that was one of many factors that could have changed things.

The racists who hate Vance and his wife, are they going to stay home and take a chance on Harris winning?

The most committed voters will vote. Many who fit that category are not going to be committed voters.

 

[UberHere]

Long Island is a huge difference from actually living within the boroughs and commuting on the subway every day.

"Commuting to the city often" sounds like you live in Westchester, NJ or LI and you visit certain places in the city. Those are essentially suburbs of NYC. I live IN the city. I take the subway every day to work.

Do you take the subway every day?



I just gave data showing there's been a huge spike in assaults and theft is up as well.

I just showed a NY Times article, which is obviously a liberal publication, that shows our Mayor wants to change the bail reform laws because they're not working and causing crime and recidivism to go way up. Way to completely ignore facts.

Wouldn't you be the arrogant one then? You're literally telling people who live here that there's no crime because that belief aligns with your politics.

I don’t know how anyone can take that clown seriously when he spent the entire summer denying the obvious about Biden’s cognitive decline. He’s a shill for the DNC and doesn’t even get paid for it. Want to know his “opinion”? Just search the DNC platform.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

How so? I don't understand what you mean.

Up to the Biden administration, Republicans were all war mongerers getting us into

How so? I don't understand what you mean.

I believe America has been in more wars than it should have and Republicans put us in most of these wars.

But this administration has us in two wars. Though that might be due to bad timing. We had to give money to both Israel and Ukraine. But at this point, the money given is getting excessive and there was no need to escalate things with Russia to the point they are threatening nuclear war.

Of course things could be worse. .. .

 

[Andy Capp]

Up to the Biden administration, Republicans were all war mongerers getting us into

I believe America has been in more wars than it should have and Republicans put us in most of these wars.

But this administration has us in two wars. Though that might be due to bad timing. We had to give money to both Israel and Ukraine. But at this point, the money given is getting excessive and there was no need to escalate things with Russia to the point they are threatening nuclear war.

Of course things could be worse. .. .

Has you in two wars? lol come the fuck on. Did the US attack Israel, Gaza, Russia, or Ukraine?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

identify however you want, but i'm not gonna start calling you republicans

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Has you in two wars? lol come the fuck on. Did the US attack Israel, Gaza, Russia, or Ukraine?

there was absolutely national guard in ukraine. there's also troops being deployed to israel as we speak.

 

[Andy Capp]

there was absolutely national guard in ukraine. there's also troops being deployed to israel as we speak.

Lets try this again, one last time. Did the US attack Israel, Gaza, Iran, Lebanon, Russia, or Ukraine? Did it start any of the conflicts among these nations? Would any of these conflicts come to an end if the US withdrew its material support?

The only difference between helping and not helping Ukraine is whether or not you want to hand over the country to Putin. I think people should be strongly against letting that happen.

The only difference between helping Israel and not helping Israel (militarily, disregarding domestic politics) is... well, there isn't any difference, really. The Israeli military is pretty well equipped already and they don't need the support so much as it serves as a shibboleth of sorts.

That's nothing like "getting us into two wars".

 

[Rational Poster]

How so? I don't understand what you mean.

Right wing retards have convinced themselves not allowing Russia to just take over Ukraine is a pro-war stance.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Lets try this again, one last time. Did the US attack Israel, Gaza, Iran, Lebanon, Russia, or Ukraine? Did it start any of the conflicts among these nations? Would any of these conflicts come to an end if the US withdrew its material support?

The only difference between helping and not helping Ukraine is whether or not you want to hand over the country to Putin. I think people should be strongly against letting that happen.

for what purpose? is ukraine the key to russian world domination? hardly. there are also many ways of "punishing" russia on the world stage that don't involve sending ukraine soldiers and weapons.

The only difference between helping Israel and not helping Israel (militarily, disregarding domestic politics) is... well, there isn't any difference, really. The Israeli military is pretty well equipped already and they don't need the support so much as consider it a shibboleth of sorts.

That's nothing like "getting us into two wars".

i mean i also wouldn't describe it as "getting us in two wars" but US soldiers (and therefore citizens) are absolutely being involved in world conflicts at the moment, even if we aren't at war.

 

[Andy Capp]

for what purpose? is ukraine the key to russian world domination? hardly. there are also many ways of "punishing" russia on the world stage that don't involve sending ukraine soldiers and weapons.

i mean i also wouldn't describe it as "getting us in two wars" but US soldiers (and therefore citizens) are absolutely being involved in world conflicts at the moment, even if we aren't at war.

The post I responded to said the current administration "got us into two wars" and I pointed out the fallacy in that claim, so if you agree I'm not sure what your problem is.

Aside, for what purpose? Really? You think it's OK to abandon the Ukrainians? What the fuck did they do to you?

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Has you in two wars? lol come the fuck on. Did the US attack Israel, Gaza, Russia, or Ukraine?

Literally mentioned that in the post if you read the whole thing.

I stated bad timing and we HAD to give money, but my opinion, is the money given was excessive and the tension with Russia escalated beyond what it should have.

I believe this administration has been more aggressive military wise than other Democratic Presidencies. I do believe Obama / Clinton would have de escalated the Ukraine / Russia crisis more. Some former Republicans would have launched a full scale invasion into Russia.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

The post I responded to said the current administration "got us into two wars" and I pointed out the fallacy in that claim, so if you agree I'm not sure what your problem is.

Aside, for what purpose? Really? You think it's OK to abandon the Ukrainians? What the fuck did they do to you?

they didn't do anything to me or for me. so why should my tax dollars and neighbors be sent overseas to protect them?