Monson vs. Pe de Pano brawl

[Jimmy Cerra]

http://www.dailymotion.com/related/...jeff-monson-vs-pe-de-pano-cruz_sport?from=rss

I don't like Pe, but he was right this time.. If the cervical is applied, and you tap, its over, Monson is disqualified. But the whole video is entertaining as hell if you know Portuguese. Specially funny after Monson takes the ref down, and Sonequinha, a 5 foot dwarf calls him out. I don't know if this was posted here already.. I wish there were subtitles for you guys..

I was entertained by the group chanting for the fight. LOL at "If I was ref I would make sure they were doing extreme fighting Vale Tudo..." The actual fight wasn't that much, though.

 

[DaRuckus337]

Cuz they are Brazilian. Or Americans. Or militantly pro- or anti-wrestling. Or pro- or anti-leg locks. I've seen the head ref say one thing at the rules meeting, then have the mat ref tell me a different thing. I've seen refs rule all guard pulls as takedowns, and I've seen refs who refuse to rule for any takedown. I've seen advantages called for every "almost" thing, and I've seen advantages called for just takedowns. All of these contradictions happened at the same tournaments. They are worse than football refs.

That's pretty annoying....

 

[Terere**]

I was there, in the rules it was allowed as long as the guard was kept closed, which it was and pe de pano tapped. Everybody there knew it was bullshit because they EXPLICITLY went over the rules, including the canopener for closed guard only.

thata makes zero grappling sense. pe has commented on the match and said he read the rules and played with it. some people say he had open guard but closed it so it would be illegal. its pretty obvious thats its legal if you have open and illegal if you have closed

 

[BeRGLeZ]

Not a good turn out either way..

 

[hayliks]

thata makes zero grappling sense. pe has commented on the match and said he read the rules and played with it. some people say he had open guard but closed it so it would be illegal. its pretty obvious thats its legal if you have open and illegal if you have closed

I competed in the tournament, they had a rules meeting where they went over various techniques and the legality of them, and they SPECIFICALLY covered the can opener with the closed guard saying it was legal as long as the guard remains closed. As you can see in the video the guard was closed he tapped so he lost.

 

[HeadBanger]

Bullshit rule, IMO.

PS- Isn't this the tournament where Monson got nakey and started trying to fight everyone?

PPS- Who taps to a can opener, anyway?

 

[KickBoxer23]

Bullshit rule, IMO.

PS- Isn't this the tournament where Monson got nakey and started trying to fight everyone?

PPS- Who taps to a can opener, anyway?

I'm sure you would if it was Monson doing it to you.

 

[HeadBanger]

I'm sure you would if it was Monson doing it to you.

I would open my guard, get on my stomach, and stand back up.

"Hi, I'm a GJJ Black Belt, and I win grappling matches by tapping to can openers."

UFC 1 would have been a lot different if only more people then knew about the infamous can opener.

Can Opener > GJJ

 

[Yojimbo]

I also think this was a stupid rule. Can-openers should either be legal or illegal, period. I'm not saying PDP tapped to get an easy DQ victory, but it's possible, and what's to stop other competitors from doing the same thing? The whole "it's legal to open the guard" is just really dumb. Especially at the elite level. Not saying white belts aren't capable of injuring each other with a can-opener, but shouldn't black belts be expected to know how to open the guard?

 

[Gabicho]

All those "if", "and", "or", "only", "then"... make the rules seem like programming language.

Either it is valid or not. Adding the whole amount of different conditions to a single technique makes it open for misunderstandings on the part of the referees, judges and competitors. Which can lead to things like happened here, an argument. And in a worst case scenario, one of the guys rolling could get seriously injuried because he thought the move was illegal, and it wasn't.

 

[kimurense]

Bullshit rule, IMO.

PS- Isn't this the tournament where Monson got nakey and started trying to fight everyone?

PPS- Who taps to a can opener, anyway?

I don't think it is a shit rule, it prevents people from stalling in the closed guard. I think Relson didn't have the nut's to stop that confusion in the beggining, looking at the video thinking"what the hell am I gona do?" when everybody saw what was going on. Then he vented out on the kid (american kid with a hood) because he -once again - did not have the nut's to stand up to the gracie-barra boys.

Monson's camp was right, the rules made sense. Pe de Pano misunderstood the rules. Period. end of fight. You tap, you loose.

Didn't understand why monson freeked out in the end, he was so well behaved until then anybody knows what happened between him and the ref while the camera wasn't looking?

ps. my favorit moment is when soneca starts screaming that he wants to fight, but always looking at his mates and screaming "vam'bora" (let's all go together)... LOL!

By the way, I don't like Cruz's behaviour most of the time, but he wasn't to bad this time. He thought he was right, and was playing his part. it is a shame how things got out of hand like that... BJJ tournaments!

 

[Darkslide632]

I can't BELIEVE that was allowed to go on that long.

Unbelievable.

What a giant clusterfuck. The ref said to continue fighting, end of story. If you don't want to, you lose. All the whining is fucking unreal. Pe de Pano is a whiner, but the people running the tournament are just as bad for not just DQing him for refusing to get on the mat.

When did tournament decisions become a democratic event?

 

[Fozzy1]

haha shonie at the end LOL

~Foz

 

[Flexwave2003]

Yeah but in that tournament's rule it was illegal, so it was simple.

There was quite some debate on whether another judge had said it was legal or not.

They should have just went again, like Monson wanted too.

 

[RadBoy]

I can't BELIEVE that was allowed to go on that long.

Unbelievable.

What a giant clusterfuck. The ref said to continue fighting, end of story. If you don't want to, you lose. All the whining is fucking unreal. Pe de Pano is a whiner, but the people running the tournament are just as bad for not just DQing him for refusing to get on the mat.

When did tournament decisions become a democratic event?

Also, to have someone at that level of competition use that kind of bs to win a match is un-fucking-believable.

 

[Balto]

Ordem e progresso.

 

[Shaolin Bushido]

ps. my favorit moment is when soneca starts screaming that he wants to fight, but always looking at his mates and screaming "vam'bora" (let's all go together)... LOL!

hahahaha, I gotta see that!


I bet if Carlson Gracie Sr(RIP) were there, he'd have passed the first, second, third and fourth licks enroute to causin a REAL RUCKUS!

It woulda been more like his top fighters sayin, "OH SHIT, WAIT FOR US!":icon_lol:

 

[J Storm**]

that screaming ref is the biggest homo i've ever seen, mouthing off and acting big like he'd actually do something, fuckin bitch.

 

[kimurense]

Ordem e progresso.

LOL! good one! :-D

 

[Aethyr]

I competed in the tournament, they had a rules meeting where they went over various techniques and the legality of them, and they SPECIFICALLY covered the can opener with the closed guard saying it was legal as long as the guard remains closed. As you can see in the video the guard was closed he tapped so he lost.

Absolutely. There is no debate here. If the rules state can openers are legal in closed guard, then they're legal case closed. Monson followed the rules TO THE LETTER and you can't penalize someone for following the damn rules. If PDP wanted the can opener to end, he could have opened guard - Monson would have been forced to stop (or be DQ). Tapping out to a legal move means you tapped out plain and simple.

To see the stupidity of awarding PDP the win, lets take other legal moves. Lets say I attempt a scissor sweep...and you tap. You tapped, yet I lose. Lets say I attempt a straight ankle lock and turn towards the outside (legal) and you tap. Yet I lose. I put knee-on-belly and you just can't breathe, so you tap, yet I lose.

Monson should have been awarded the win, or at least just continue the match. Awarding PDP the win was absolute bullshit.