MMA has basically stopped evolving in the last 10 years

[orca]

u just compared the best of the best those guys u mentioned are like 1 in a million <45>
why not compare the average fighters then and now

il agree those guys u mentioned would still be a force today
they where so ahead
example prime andy is a better striker than izzy has more tools like elbows knees
and is also a legit brazilian bjj blackblet wich izzy aint

 

[Woody869]

WRONG

Great Reasoning. ‍‍‍

GSP is considered the #1 G OAT on here by many. He lost to a undeserving ultimate fighter winner in his prime. That's embarrassing for a GOAT. He got his ass beat by Hendricks, and quit.
To say he would be champion today is F'ing retarted. He wouldn't have beat khabib had they fought, he can't beat usman, Edward's, covington, or any of the other top 7 or so. Get over it. The game has evolved. GSP saw it, and ran.
I loved Fedor but his prime was over when he was in his early 30's because he'd been in the game, and in wars for years.

 

[Woody869]

You realize having wrecked knees greatly affects your ability to fight right?

Oh here come the excuses, his knees were bad, but he was able to jump up against Bisping years later and beat a lucky undeserving champion. Congrats to him. GSP is a top 5-10 fighter, but he's a bit overrated.

 

[Woody869]

Hendricks' fights with Lawler went the way they did precisely because he lost to GSP. He became obsessed with the scorecards ticking away from him so just wanted to dry hump and score control points, which is what he felt lost him the GSP fights. Instead of his previous aggressive style where points and KOs were a byproduct of it.

It was Lawlers time, he was the best in the world. If GSP really thought he could beat Lawler, he would have come back.
Bisping was barely a top 5 MW and GSP saw the holes in his game, and it was a win win scenario for him.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Its evolved but in the lighter divisions

FLW, BW have UNQUESTIONABLY evolved not even debatable.

MW, LHW, HW have not at all if anything theyve declined HORRIFICALLY.

FW, LW, WW its more questionable but not any significant evolution like FLW and BW.

This is for the top level best fighters. On average every division has gotten better. But among the elite, top fighters is what I was speaking on.

 

[Woody869]

Woodley got beat by Shields who got beat by GSP. I think he’d be fine in the era that followed, or this one for that matter.

GSP was a boring champion, i don't understand all the love for the guy. Was a great, absolutely. The guy was not exciting though. Again, GSP wanted nothing to do with the champions following his reign, because he knew the were to good, to powerful, to fast, and Time had past him by.
Bisping was a B level athlete, with a suspect jaw, and was susceptible to chokes. Maybe a top 5 MW.

 

[French Canadian]

No shit if you try and compare GOATs against every day champions it's going to look skewed.

If you say that 10 years ago was the GOAT era, then you seem to be saying that it has devolved (to which I would agree).

 

[ferrisjso]

Its slowed down especially at the higher weight classes but at the lower weights the evolution has been quite profound though most of that improvement has went to 135 for some reason.

 

[ferrisjso]

Its evolved but in the lighter divisions

FLW, BW have UNQUESTIONABLY evolved not even debatable.

MW, LHW, HW have not at all if anything theyve declined HORRIFICALLY.

FW, LW, WW its more questionable but not any significant evolution like FLW and BW.

This is for the top level best fighters. On average every division has gotten better. But among the elite, top fighters is what I was speaking on.

I think the thing is most fighters can end up in multiple weight class depending on circumstances. So theres room for talent to shift to some divisions and not others and for divisions to get worse such as 145 and 185. FLW in the UFC got worse because the UFC nuked the division and started from scratch though by now they might have recovered.

 

[Glove]

We have evolved from Volk Han, to Jeremy Horn, to Hermes Franca to Usman Nurmgomedov.

 

[HavokHarmon]

Again, GSP wanted nothing to do with the champions following his reign, because he knew the were to good, to powerful, to fast, and Time had past him by.

What are you basing that on? The fact that he didn’t keep fighting? By that logic a champion is required to fight until they lose the belt in order to not be afraid, which is a pretty ridiculous standard.

The fact is despite how much you may dislike the decision GSP DID in fact beat Hendricks, who was the next champion after him. He also beat a guy who beat Lawler, the next champ after that, and he beat a guy who beat Woodley, the next champ after that, so you can’t really use the MMamath argument because it cuts against you harder than it supports you.

On top of that GSP was supposed to fight Woodley in his return. It was Woodleys lackluster performance against Maia which closed the door on that, so it doesn’t make any sense to say that GSP wanted nothing to do with the champs that came after him when he was lined up to fight one of them.

All that is to say, you’re certainly entitled to your opinion. I can respect the argument that GSP was boring during the latter portion of his title reign and that he played it safe and lacked a desire to finish.

As an example I personally found his fight with Shields to be exciting at the time because of the story around it and everything that it had taken to get there. Shields had been undefeated for about 6 years and was riding a 15 fight win streak that included names like Okami, Dan Henderson, Condit, and even a guy you claim GSP wanted nothing to do with in Lawler. He was easily the best WW outside of the UFC at the time and GSP had openly campaigned to get him there because he wanted to fight him. But without the backstory and an understanding of the stylistic matchup, it was boring as fuck. I wouldn’t show it to someone I was trying to get interested in the sport. So if you found it boring, I totally get it and I respect that point of view. But you’re stating opinions about his motivation that you can’t possibly know, and frankly struggle to support, and stating them as though they’re facts.

 

[cheachea]

Is it a knowledge training skill thing or is it a “less enhanced” reason thing ?

 

[fastone]

"George St-Pierre was never really any good".
-Sherdoggers in this thread

 

[Cartiac]

I don’t post very often. The sport has evolved, but the evolution is slowing down. Khabib’s wrestling style was probably the most significant style change we’ve seen in the last 10 years.

The Abdulmanap family impact has been one of the most disruptive styles to the sport ever, in a time where there has also been major improvement in take down defense that has had a significant impact on neutralizing American wrestling.

At the same time I don't know if we can call it an evolution of the sport yet since it is isolated to just a few specific fighters and we haven't seen any other fighters adapt to counter or execute the style. As Islam said in his last post fight conference, the only way for kids to learn to fight like them is to drop them off in Dagestan and leave them there.

 

[13Seconds]

2016 join date... post this from your real account buddy and people will believe you're serious <Lmaoo>

Keith Jardine sucked

 

[Bruce Lee666]

The Abdulmanap family impact has been one of the most disruptive styles to the sport ever, in a time where there has also been major improvement in take down defense that has had a significant impact on neutralizing American wrestling.

At the same time I don't know if we can call it an evolution of the sport yet since it is isolated to just a few specific fighters and we haven't seen any other fighters adapt to counter or execute the style. As Islam said in his last post fight conference, the only way for kids to learn to fight like them is to drop them off in Dagestan and leave them there.

The New Generation of Fighters will be better they will train everything since childhood every skill you need to MMA, Daguestan guys are Really Good I think they are the Family Gracie of New Generation these guys made the game evolve.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Worse, it’s devolved. This is in proportion to the declining interest snd $ distributed to fighters post-Conor and the emphasis on social media over substance.

Yet we read here quite often:“Conor did so much for the sport“. I don’t equate UFC as a company with the sport at all. The commercial turn MMA took around 2015 is deplorable to any true combat sports enthusiast.

 

[HHJ]

Keith Jardine sucked

He did not. He was a midcarder with an awkward style that was difficult to deal with

 

[13Seconds]

He did not. He was a midcarder with an awkward style that was difficult to deal with

Okay sucked was a bit much. I used Jardine to shit on a whiner and that was wrong of me.

Alot of bitching and whining in this thread is what I should have said.

 

[orca]

Great Reasoning. ‍‍‍

GSP is considered the #1 G OAT on here by many. He lost to a undeserving ultimate fighter winner in his prime. That's embarrassing for a GOAT. He got his ass beat by Hendricks, and quit.
To say he would be champion today is F'ing retarted. He wouldn't have beat khabib had they fought, he can't beat usman, Edward's, covington, or any of the other top 7 or so. Get over it. The game has evolved. GSP saw it, and ran.
I loved Fedor but his prime was over when he was in his early 30's because he'd been in the game, and in wars for years.

lol so u mean fedor fighting cans took alot of damage and was out of his prime?
maybe drug testing ruined him in strikeforce?
have u considerd this?

prime fedor with drug testing is a b level fighter?