Miesha Tate

[CageFightFan]

Landing one big punch on somebody who shouldn't be in the UFC doesn't mean you've improved, her striking still sucks really bad.

Her striking sucks as compared to 1% of fighters in her division. You are blind

 

[CageFightFan]

Her striking isn't excellent compared to anybody, really sloppy offence and even sloppier defence.

Have you seen regional female mma? Tate is an elite fighter that would make 99% of female fighters look silly on the feet. You are blinded by what Nunes did to her which is make her look silly.

 

[Tormund]

Her striking sucks as compared to 1% of fighters in her division. You are blind

No, her striking sucks period as does the rest of the division. Just because the rest of the division also sucks that doesn't make Tate any good. She got busted up on the feet by Sara fucking McMann who is a one-dimensional wrestler. Wake up, your girl emigrated to Canada after getting humbled by Nunes.

 

[CageFightFan]

Going to disagree with you here. While she has improved, it is still pretty basic, and whenever she goes to strike, she forgets all about striking defense, which is, IMO, just as - if not more - important. Footwork is rudimentary at best as well.

She is a grinder, great in scrambles, and while not the most technically proficient grappler, will snatch a sub out of nowhere (Kedzie, Coenen). But striking better than 99% of female fighters? I disagree.

Out of the hundreds if not a a thousand or so females fighting mma, Tate is in the top 1% in striking. No question.

 

[CageFightFan]

No, her striking sucks period as does the rest of the division. Just because the rest of the division also sucks that doesn't make Tate any good. She got busted up on the feet by Sara fucking McMann who is a one-dimensional wrestler. Wake up, your girl emigrated to Canada after getting humbled by Nunes.

She is not my girl and whether or not she moved to Canada is not germane. And yes comparing her to the competition is exactly what counts. She is never going to fight anyone else.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Out of the hundreds if not a a thousand or so females fighting mma, Tate is in the top 1% in striking. No question.

Based on?

Never mind, I will do some math.

 

[Tormund]

She is not my girl and whether or not she moved to Canada is not germane. And yes comparing her to the competition is exactly what counts. She is never going to fight anyone else.

She got busted up on the feet by McMann, that's embarrassing.

 

[War Pig]

improved.

Weak arms punches. She doesn't turn her hips to generate any power and leaves her left hand low so she can get punched in the nose like Nunes did to her.

Miesha is the worse striker in the division. If she changed camps and got rid of the manlet, Bryan Caraway she might improve but she's retired so it doesn't matter any way. She ain't coming back. Her white Knights will need to find a new hero to worship.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Weak arms punches. She doesn't turn her hips to generate any power and leaves her left hand low so she can get punched in the nose like Nunes did to her.

Miesha is the worse striker in the division. If she changed camps and got rid of the manlet, Bryan Caraway she might improve but she's retired so it doesn't matter any way. She ain't coming back. Her white Knights will need to find a new hero to worship.

????

She turns her hips into both of those. You are spot on about the keeping the left low. And she is not the worst striker in the division. Nor is she in the top one percent.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Ok, did some math (spreadsheet). Not going to post it, because formatting looks like shit. That being said, I took the numbers (striking accuracy and striking defense) of all women in the ufc, and ran then.

In terms of striking accuracy, Miesha is 31st out of 60 women sampled. In terms of striking defense, she is only 23rd, which surprised me at first, then I remembered how bad striking defense is for so many in MMA, and apparently even more so in women's MMA.

Over the weekend, I may do a proper statistical analysis, and eliminate things like one-off fighters who will skew the data, women who are no longer on the roster, etc. and put it up somewhere. I think I still have an account with Stack, not sure, I do very little web publishing any more. But it is actually fairly interesting.

(women with highest combined numbers is Waterson), lowest is someone who should not be there. So it needs cleaning up. (not super-anova but there is simply crap that should not be there that distorts the picture slightly).

End result: Miesha is middle of the pack, striking.

 

[Eater of Souls]

In terms of just bantamweights, Miesha accuracy is 14 out of 29, defense 17 out of 29. So she is slightly worse than average overall for women's bantamweight in terms of striking.

 

[Madbomber]

No she isn't, she's not mentally tough enough to avenge a loss. Not mentally tough enough to evolve her game. Not mentally tough enough to compete at a high level in a different sport. Not mentally tough enough to want to beat Rousey. She isn't really mentally tough at all, she just takes beatings because she doesn't have a choice. She literally quit as soon as she realised her dream and made her first 7 figure payday.

She didn't quit. Making 135 finally caught up with her. They need a 145lb weightclass. It's should have been 145 from the start, but they needed to protect Honda from Cyborg, so they went with 135.

 

[Eater of Souls]

She didn't quit. Making 135 finally caught up with her. They need a 145lb weightclass. It's should have been 145 from the start, but they needed to protect Honda from Cyborg, so they went with 135.

Interesting, as she has displayed interest in the 125lbs. class in the past. I know she had a bad cut this time, but thought it was due to the weigh-in time.

 

[Tormund]

She didn't quit. Making 135 finally caught up with her. They need a 145lb weightclass. It's should have been 145 from the start, but they needed to protect Honda from Cyborg, so they went with 135.

Ah, another excuse for why she turned away and gave her back to Nunes after getting punched. It's bullshit, she's smaller than Rousey, Holm and many other girls who make 135lbs. They made 135 because there are no natural female fighters who can't make the cut.

 

[CageFightFan]

Ok, did some math (spreadsheet). Not going to post it, because formatting looks like shit. That being said, I took the numbers (striking accuracy and striking defense) of all women in the ufc, and ran then.

In terms of striking accuracy, Miesha is 31st out of 60 women sampled. In terms of striking defense, she is only 23rd, which surprised me at first, then I remembered how bad striking defense is for so many in MMA, and apparently even more so in women's MMA.

Over the weekend, I may do a proper statistical analysis, and eliminate things like one-off fighters who will skew the data, women who are no longer on the roster, etc. and put it up somewhere. I think I still have an account with Stack, not sure, I do very little web publishing any more. But it is actually fairly interesting.

(women with highest combined numbers is Waterson), lowest is someone who should not be there. So it needs cleaning up. (not super-anova but there is simply crap that should not be there that distorts the picture slightly).

End result: Miesha is middle of the pack, striking.

First, I am not talking about her being top 1% of strikers in UFC. I am saying top 1% of all of her potential opponents. ie All females that are currently pursuing a career in MMA that could fight at 135. Second. I appreciate your stats but your numbers will be off because Tate has fought top level opponents as compared to the average UFC female fighter.

 

[CageFightFan]

Oh, and calling Caraway a manlet is revealing of one's maturity level. Id take him against all of you.

 

[Eater of Souls]

First, I am not talking about her being top 1% of strikers in UFC. I am saying top 1% of all of her potential opponents. ie All females that are currently pursuing a career in MMA that could fight at 135. Second. I appreciate your stats but your numbers will be off because Tate has fought top level opponents as compared to the average UFC female fighter.

I did not have time to track down all of them. And I really do not think a truck stop waitress stepping into the ring or cage earlier this year is someone who's stats really matter at this point.

Comparisons are only valid when they have a certain amount of parity. I suppose one can compare the Muay Thai of a nearly 50 year old man who spent months in the hospital this year and has not trained since December (me) with that of Samart Payakaroon, but what is the point.

When compared to other women at her level, her striking is slightly below average. And when I dump the one-offs and those who should not be there any more because they are not still on the UFC roster, honestly, her ranking will drop slightly more.

And yes, Tate has fought top level opponents. So that is who she gets compared to. And the 135 lbs. division is grappling-heavy, as many of the women have inferior striking in comparison to the 115 lbs. division.

I could do a top five comparison if you wanted, but I can tell you right now that she will be four or five. In no group other than one expanded to the point of uselessness does Tate have elite, let alone "top 1%" striking. A group of that size is absurd, as it lacks controls, and is as useless as n=1. For any proper analysis, the statistical sample needs to be appropriate.

 

[CageFightFan]

I did not have time to track down all of them. And I really do not think a truck stop waitress stepping into the ring or cage earlier this year is someone who's stats really matter at this point.

Comparisons are only valid when they have a certain amount of parity. I suppose one can compare the Muay Thai of a nearly 50 year old man who spent months in the hospital this year and has not trained since December (me) with that of Samart Payakaroon, but what is the point.

When compared to other women at her level, her striking is slightly below average. And when I dump the one-offs and those who should not be there any more because they are not still on the UFC roster, honestly, her ranking will drop slightly more.

And yes, Tate has fought top level opponents. So that is who she gets compared to. And the 135 lbs. division is grappling-heavy, as many of the women have inferior striking in comparison to the 115 lbs. division.

I could do a top five comparison if you wanted, but I can tell you right now that she will be four or five. In no group other than one expanded to the point of uselessness does Tate have elite, let alone "top 1%" striking. A group of that size is absurd, as it lacks controls, and is as useless as n=1. For any proper analysis, the statistical sample needs to be appropriate.

I am not talking about Truck stop waitresses who are fighting with no training. I am talking about females that train hard 5 plus times a week. Check out Tapology to see how many there are. Those are her potential opponents. But if we are strictly talking about UFC fighters I of course would not say she is top 1%. I never said that, nor would I.

 

[Eater of Souls]

I am not talking about Truck stop waitresses who are fighting with no training. I am talking about females that train hard 5 plus times a week. Check out Tapology to see how many there are. Those are her potential opponents. But if we are strictly talking about UFC fighters I of course would not say she is top 1%. I never said that, nor would I.

Really? The UFC is going to sign them? By expanding the sample size to something ridiculous, you take away all meaning. But I will also point out that with only 273 WBW, with Meisha at #15 in the UFC alone, even if every single one clocks in worse that her, she still will not make top 1%. Math does not support this.

 

[themainman]

Overrated, personality, looks and as a fighter

She'll lose her next fight too if it's anyone in the top 6