Mid-air Collusion (Mueller Thread v. 19)

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

BrotherClaudio

...I was gonna ask what seems an obvious question, but... nah.

 

[Quipling]

If I'm understanding the flow of this conversation correctly:

A prosecutor could file perjury charges just based on contradictory statements by a witness, but that would be a very weak case unless you had one superstar unimpeachable witness. Usually perjury charges aren't filed alone unless they are rock solid. Usually you see them as a tool to elicit cooperation from a smaller fish. But that's usually because the smaller fish act as a blocker for the main target. Or usually, they're the first ones an investigator talks to, and thus are usually the first to lie.

Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a case in which someone was charged with perjury just because they contradicted another witness. It's almost always because they've materially contradicted themselves or said something very clearly untrue-ie, physical evidence. Never on a simple he-said she-said.

 

[Ophydian]

If I'm understanding the flow of this conversation correctly:

A prosecutor could file perjury charges just based on contradictory statements by a witness, but that would be a very weak case unless you had one superstar unimpeachable witness. Usually perjury charges aren't filed alone unless they are rock solid. Usually you see them as a tool to elicit cooperation from a smaller fish. But that's usually because the smaller fish act as a blocker for the main target. Or usually, they're the first ones an investigator talks to, and thus are usually the first to lie.

Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a case in which someone was charged with perjury just because they contradicted another witness. It's almost always because they've materially contradicted themselves or said something very clearly untrue. Never on a simple he-said she-said.

I’m sure you could count on one hand the number of times a case was won using ONLY hearsay as evidence.

This bullshit perjury trap their playing is for Trumps base and no one else. It plays to the notion this is a “rigged witch hunt” and gives Trump a respectable out in terms of not sitting down the Mueller.

Trump not weak, Trump smart, Trump know trap ahead.

Once again you are taking Desrchowitz devils advocate approach and applying rock solid legal defense to it.

Guiliani defense strategy and explanation of the fake truth is for the percentage of the population that can’t tell you the difference between a grapefruit and an orange.

 

[44nutman]

15 months, Trump still is winning, and all these bitches, are still crying

It’s going to be a fun 8 years

The one on the left is the hero. The dude on the right was born with a Silver Spoon in his mouth, and almost blew the billion his Dad left him, before Duestche Bank started making him flush with loans when no other bank would loan him any money.

 

[Rational Poster]

BrotherClaudio

But who was BrotherClaudio before he got banned??

 

[pinger]

But who was BrotherClaudio before he got banned??

ConanMemories

 

[waiguoren]

The one on the left is the hero. The dude on the right was born with a Silver Spoon in his mouth, and almost blew the billion his Dad left him, before Duestche Bank started making him flush with loans when no other bank would loan him any money.

"Can't find any criminality, so let's fall back on smearing his manliness"

 

[Ophydian]

"Can't find any criminality, so let's fall back on smearing his manliness"

Right, because Mueller isn’t being attacked on a regular basis for being a pawn of the “Deep State”.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Right, because Mueller isn’t being attacked on a regular basis for being a pawn of the “Deep State”.

Poor DJT. Won't people just take his word that he's innocent of any wrongdoing?

After all, his promises have such a good track record.
Can't we do him the kindness of extending benefit of doubt?

 

[44nutman]

"Can't find any criminality, so let's fall back on smearing his manliness"

All Trump has been doing is smearing the investigation.
To paraphrase, the Bard; Shakespeare, The President, doth protest too much.
Also based on the number of indictments lots of criminality has been found.
If lying to Congress was still a crime, the President's son and son in law would also be charged.

 

[andnowweknow]

"Can't find any criminality, so let's fall back on smearing his manliness"

"I'm not a Trump supporter" - You. Talk about disingenuous.

It's a special kind of ignorance to say "no criminality" in the midst of an investigation still months away from completion.

 

[Rational Poster]

"Can't find any criminality, so let's fall back on smearing his manliness"

*can't confirm or deny any criminality not being part of the investigation, so let's make pretend he's innocent because the guy on tv I like said so*

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

All Trump has been doing is smearing the investigation.
To paraphrase, the Bard; Shakespeare, The President, doth protest too much.
Also based on the number of indictments lots of criminality has been found.
If lying to Congress was still a crime, the President's son and son in law would also be charged.

I have asked the bots several times, given this set of behaviors: if this is DJT trying to project an air of innocence, what would Donald Trump acting guilty look like?
What would he be doing?

 

[waiguoren]

Right, because Mueller isn’t being attacked on a regular basis for being a pawn of the “Deep State”.

Do two wrongs make a right?

 

[waiguoren]

All Trump has been doing is smearing the investigation.

Do two wrongs make a right?

Also based on the number of indictments lots of criminality has been found.

Not related to "collusion", and none of it touching the guy in your meme.

 

[Rational Poster]

Do two wrongs make a right?

Why is the President constantly afforded the convenience of being wrong by you?

 

[waiguoren]

"I'm not a Trump supporter" - You. Talk about disingenuous.

I'm not a Trump supporter.

It's a special kind of ignorance to say "no criminality" in the midst of an investigation still months away from completion.

That's not what I wrote. I wrote that @44nutman "can't find any criminality" on Trump's behalf.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

*can't confirm or deny any criminality not being part of the investigation, so let's make pretend he's innocent because the guy on tv I like said so*

It's absolutely bizarre that there's any expectation that Mueller should wrap up his investigation by a certain date.

"Your report isn't complete, and it appears you uncovered some discrepancies that weren't explored."

"The people being investigated told me to stop."

 

[Rational Poster]

I'm not a Trump supporter.



That's not what I wrote. I wrote that @44nutman "can't find any criminality" on Trump's behalf.

Why is it ok that Trump is surrounded by criminals?

 

[waiguoren]

*can't confirm or deny any criminality not being part of the investigation, so let's make pretend he's innocent because the guy on tv I like said so*

Nope. I wrote that you guys haven't found any criminality and so you are falling back on attacking Trump's manliness. That's accurate.

As for my personal belief, I don't think Trump will be found to be guilty of any criminality whatsoever as a result of the Mueller probe. I've offered account bets on it but you guys seem too scared.