News McGregor back in court

[Hellowhosthat]

Ngl, I still think McGregor did it but his testimony sounds p fkn convincing vs. usual this situation, tbh.

McGregor tells court sex with him is 'athletic' & rape accuser is 'full of lies'

At the High Court, the MMA fighter took the stand to give evidence and claimed he and Ms Hand "had sex which was fully consensual, in the missionary position."

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Is it possible someone else or an associate, perhaps dangerous one of McGregor's did this :/ and she's falsely remembering bc so fucked up, or, considers him responsible. I dunno, I was like 100% sure he was guilty in my head but his testimony doesn't sound like, usual BS. But then again he's had a lot of time to think about what he's gonna say and with his lawyers.

Watch him in the run up to the Cowboy and first Poirier fight. He's good at faking sincerity.

 

[krelianx]

People, as usual, are having recency bias, and are taking McGregor's testimony as a source for doubt. People forget what we know:

We have the medical report by the doctor, by an expert on sexual assault, and by enforcement officer, that describe multiple injuries across her body. We have Conor's DNA. We have confirmed testimony of a tampon incrusted into her vagina that was surgically removed.

We have records of her being traumatized, incapable of working, having panic attacks, for long after the incident. We know she tried to pursue a criminal case, not civil. There are reports of her refusing a payout. We know of her house being broken into. We have precedent of Conor being aggressive, and multiple accusations that overlap in significant ways to this, involving physical and sexual violence. We don't have James' DNA in her.

So, what are we to conclude? That she beat herself up and faked trauma for years, fooling doctors of her mental distress? That Lawrence had sex with her but left no traces of it in her body, miraculously? That she pursued criminal charges and refused a buyout because that way she would later cash in more? That her boyfriend beat her up for being a bad girl? That despite people saying the injuries were abnormal, they were either self-inflicted or derived from elsewhere?

Seriously, how can people give the benefit of doubt to McGregor knowing what we know?

 

[SpiderFan187]

People, as usual, are having recency bias, and are taking McGregor's testimony as a source for doubt. People forget what we know:

We have the medical report by the doctor, by an expert on sexual assault, and by enforcement officer, that describes multiple injuries across her body. We have Conor's DNA. We have confirmed testimony of a tampon incrusted into her vagina that was surgically removed.

We have records of her being traumatized, incapable of working, having panic attacks, for long after the incident. We know she tried to pursue a criminal case, not civil. There are reports of her refusing a payout. We know of her house being broken into. We have precedent of Conor being aggressive, and multiple accusations that overlap in significant ways to this, involving physical and sexual violence. We don't have James' DNA in her.

So, what are we to conclude? That she beat herself up and faked trauma for years, fooling doctors of her mental distress? That Lawrence had sense in her but left no traces of it in her body, miraculously? That she pursued criminal charges and refused a buyout because that way she would later cash in more? That her boyfriend beat her up for being a bad girl? That despite people saying the injuries were abnormal, they were either self-inflicted or derived from elsewhere?

Seriously, how can people give the benefit of doubt to McGregor knowing what we know?

I think because her story isn't adding up, she said she bit him and he bit her but witnesses and CCTV footage seem to point to her not having damage. The injuries were first shown 3 days after the events. She did first wantt o open a criminal case but they didn't have the evidence to push forward. I'm in the middle, i can't say with an confidence he did or didn't do it. It's not about giving the benifit of the doubt but more for me having the full picture and it being clear he did it which hasn't been presented yet. Regarding the mental issue her DR today said been suffereing from it years before Conor was in the picture.

I have no solid idea and haven't seen the CCTV footage which was reported, but say she left without injury i think they should get a bruise expert and if possible find out how fresh / old they are. Say they were 3 days old then it'll point to Conor say if they were 1 or 2 days old then it could point to her ex beating her up after after finding out she cheated on him?... still more days in court before we need to pass judgement.

 

[krelianx]

I think because her story isn't adding up, she said she bit him and he bit her but witnesses and CCTV footage seem to point to her not having damage. The injuries were first shown 3 days after the events. She did first wantt o open a criminal case but they didn't have the evidence to push forward. I'm in the middle, i can't say with an confidence he did or didn't do it. It's not about giving the benifit of the doubt but more for me having the full picture and it being clear he did it which hasn't been presented yet. Regarding the mental issue her DR today said been suffereing from it years before Conor was in the picture.

I have no solid idea and haven't seen the CCTV footage which was reported, but say she left without injury i think they should get a bruise expert and if possible find out how fresh / old they are. Say they were 3 days old then it'll point to Conor say if they were 1 or 2 days old then it could point to her ex beating her up after after finding out she cheated on him?... still more days in court before we need to pass judgement.

Where is it stated that the CCTV footage points to her not having damage?

 

[Bubzeh]

Do not envy the jury. Tough decision after yesterdays material came out.

 

[Rollio98]

Why is this James Lawrence guy saying he had sex with Nikita if his DNA was not found on / in her... and Danielle's story seem to indicate he never :/ and then it doesn't look good on Nikita's part to also be suing him, like, why? She says she didn't have sex with him, and is only suing him bc he's saying he did. This is all about McGregor raping her, so why's now saying he did too or suing him.

Was he maybe trying to take the fall or confuse blame for McGregor, paid off or intimidated?, muddy the waters.

This whole thing is a mess.

If I had a superpower, it would be to be truth man. To just know the truth of everything.

My understanding is that she never had an issue with Mr Lawrence. I think Mr Lawrence was told to say he had sex with her. That statement brought him into a picture and when Nikita was told of this statement she more or less said she was surprised because she doesn't recall having any issues with him. In court she denies having sex with Mr Lawrence and told the court she believes Mr Lawrence is lying about them having sex.

For some reason, ppl have it that she accused him of rape. Others can't wrap their heads around why she had sex with him etc I think too many ppl are reading headlines and not the details of that's being said in court, cross examinations etc

I also don't see why she would lie about this whereas i can see why he would lie. I think it's an attempt at trying to cover for Conor and paint her in a bad light. I also believe that Conor would have thrown this guy under the bus if it wasn't for the fact Conors DNA was found everywhere on her. Likewise Danielle likely has more to gain from supporting Conor than Nikita. I don't think she's a credible witness. She apparently denied sleeping with Mr Lawrence in her initial statements and later changed her statements and said "i didn't think it was relevant to the case"

Also, it hasn't been confirmed by gardai but Mcgregor refusing to hand over his phone is interesting. God knows what they would find in his phone. They also mentioned also that he gave a "prepared statement" and that he later changed it to add more details. Does this mean he was given time to think about what he wanted to say in relation to the charges?

 

[Rollio98]

Do not envy the jury. Tough decision after yesterdays material came out.

I kinda thought that at first too but having heard all the details since, I still think there's far more evidence he raped her than there is that he didn't.

It was somewhat interesting too when he was being cross examined and "snapped" a little and went completely off on a tangent saying "i want that taxi drivers statement, she gave a fella a bj in the back of his taxi" obviously he wanted to stress and portray that the accuser is a ho but the judge seemingly warned him to stick to what was relevant to the case. Perhaps this was a sign he's beginning to crack too?

 

[Rollio98]

 

[bjjwar]

I love how McGregor never thinks about his wife and kids. Its just, oh i fked all these girls but it was consentual lol. And the media also never asks about it, like hey Dee, how do you feel about your husband fking all these girls…

 

[Bubzeh]

Yeah this entire saga is getting too messy for me - think I'm out. Will leave the lunatic Irish to battle it out by themselves.

 

[Darius0995]

That account looks like it’s been AI generated to merge different elements of a social profile together. Quite bizarre. Twitter/X is quite horrendous these days for authenticity.

 

[Rollio98]

Can anyone explain to me why the jury would be sent out because of "legal issues" resulting in a short break.

I've seen this happen a few times but what exactly could these legal issues be? Seems odd to me that everytime Mcgregor is questioned, a legal issue arises and they take a break

 

[Poatan Power]

People, as usual, are having recency bias, and are taking McGregor's testimony as a source for doubt. People forget what we know:

We have the medical report by the doctor, by an expert on sexual assault, and by enforcement officer, that describes multiple injuries across her body. We have Conor's DNA. We have confirmed testimony of a tampon incrusted into her vagina that was surgically removed.

We have records of her being traumatized, incapable of working, having panic attacks, for long after the incident. We know she tried to pursue a criminal case, not civil. There are reports of her refusing a payout. We know of her house being broken into. We have precedent of Conor being aggressive, and multiple accusations that overlap in significant ways to this, involving physical and sexual violence. We don't have James' DNA in her.

So, what are we to conclude? That she beat herself up and faked trauma for years, fooling doctors of her mental distress? That Lawrence had sense in her but left no traces of it in her body, miraculously? That she pursued criminal charges and refused a buyout because that way she would later cash in more? That her boyfriend beat her up for being a bad girl? That despite people saying the injuries were abnormal, they were either self-inflicted or derived from elsewhere?

Seriously, how can people give the benefit of doubt to McGregor knowing what we know?

None of it looks good for Conor, but, I'd have to review the timing of everything. As far as panic attacks and all that bullshit, don't give a fuck. Physical evidence, however, is very compelling.

I love how McGregor never thinks about his wife and kids. Its just, oh i fked all these girls but it was consentual lol. And the media also never asks about it, like hey Dee, how do you feel about your husband fking all these girls…

Not sure what's worse. being dense enough to ask the question or dense enough to need the answer. I mean we know, right? It's honestly just adding more shit to Dee at this point

 

[Rollio98]

None of it looks good for Conor, but, I'd have to review the timing of everything. As far as panic attacks and all that bullshit, don't give a fuck. Physical evidence, however, is very compelling.

Agreed. If somehow he raped her but didn't leave a mark or a bruise and there was no tampon. He might well get away with it but the medical report is too significant imo.

Iam no legal expert but the statement he gave was prepared and in his solicitors hand writing. Most questions he was asked too were responded too with "no comment" Might not mean a whole lot but a man that has nothing to hide will usually be happy to talk and cooperate. Can't understand why he wasn't made hand in his phone either

 

[Poatan Power]

Agreed. If somehow he raped her but didn't leave a mark or a bruise and there was no tampon. He might well get away with it but the medical report is too significant imo.

Iam no legal expert but the statement he gave was prepared and in his solicitors hand writing. Most questions he was asked too were responded too with "no comment" Might not mean a whole lot but a man that has nothing to hide will usually be happy to talk and cooperate. Can't understand why he wasn't made hand in his phone either

No idea how the laws of that country work, either. It's often very easy to draw conclusions when we only hear one side.

Remember Kobe's case? Everyone had him nailed to the cross until the cross examination and his side came out and whoops, his "rape victim" had another man's semen in her from the same night.

 

[Rollio98]

Another detail that's of some significance but being overlooked is the fact her clothes were damaged and straps broken etc This doesn't prove rape but it does indicate that they were forcibly removed as opposed to her willingly taken them off. Iam pretty sure also (but open to correction) that his version of events contradict this because he said she followed him into the bathroom and largely took off her own clothes before sex. Evidence suggests he took off her clothes and used force.

 

[jooohnmatrix]

While what you say is true, it is even worse than that.

It's not only that most people don't know that proving rape in court is exorbitantly difficult, ending in extremely few convictions that do not correspond to the number of true accusations. Many people, particularly men, will believe that in fact it is more likely that in a case like this the accuser is a money-grabbing opportunist, than to give her the benefit of doubt, even in the presence of overwhelming evidence. Misogyny is not rooted in disinformation, but like racism and other pathologies like that, on irrational bias.

Even though the number of sexual assaults against women is far larger than false accusations by opportunists, people will favor the hypothesis that matches their bigotry, even more so if they happen to have a liking for McGregor as a personality, which of course millions do.

This is a man with ludicrous amounts of money, proven criminal record, who has shown not only reckless but harmful behavior to civilians, with many accusations of this sort, a proven drunk and drug user, angry party animal, who also has power and very deep connections in the Irish criminal world. This woman is a hairdresser, a former drug user and drunk, who partied like an idiot as an adult woman in her late 20s. The quality of legal representation she can afford, the potential of corruption, and the danger this presents for her, does not yield an even playing field. Judicial systems are often very defective as instruments for justice, and this case provides sad but disarming evidence of this.

In this case, there is one simple and definitive fact: the woman was battered badly, the doctors that saw her testified to her condition, having a tampon removed with a forcep, visibly traumatized, crying and shaking, bruised and injured throughout her body.

Granting the benefit of doubt to McGregor because she has memory gaps to claim this was the result of "consensual" intercourse is so ridiculous that the doctor when cross-examined by McGregor's lawyer said that in hundreds of abuse cases under his watch he had never seen anything like this.

Anyone who defends McGregor at this point is a sack of shit, and that this is not a criminal case is a travesty. The guy should rot in jail, or worse.

You underestimate his fan base. These scumbags laughed at his racist jokes he made at Aldo about riding through his favela on horseback like a Conquistador, mocking Khabib’s religion for not drinking alcohol calling him a backward xunt. We all know his connections to the kinahans one of the worlds biggest drug cartels yet his fans, legions of lower class crass idiots still idolise him.

 

[krelianx]

You underestimate his fan base. These scumbags laughed at his racist jokes he made at Aldo about riding through his favela on horseback like a Conquistador, mocking Khabib’s religion for not drinking alcohol calling him a backward xunt. We all know his connections to the kinahans one of the worlds biggest drug cartels yet his fans, legions of lower class crass idiots still idolise him.

I don't, I have been around long enough to know Conor fans represent a pretty pathetic but by no means small demographic of the MMA fanbase.

Namely: malcontent, cognitively impaired manchildren who try to compensate for their insecurities and mediocrity by idolizing a royal scumbag.

 

[krelianx]

None of it looks good for Conor, but, I'd have to review the timing of everything. As far as panic attacks and all that bullshit, don't give a fuck. Physical evidence, however, is very compelling.



Not sure what's worse. being dense enough to ask the question or dense enough to need the answer. I mean we know, right? It's honestly just adding more shit to Dee at this point

It would be incredibly presumptuous to blame Dee as if she was someone just letting all of this slide. We don't know, but we know enough about Conor to say one thing:

If Conor is what we know he is, then it's very unlikely she is in a position to simply leave and take legal measures to take her children away from him. Conor is not the kind of 'man' that would just let that happen, and there are children in the middle. Not safely at least, or without significant trauma.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Another detail that's of some significance but being overlooked is the fact her clothes were damaged and straps broken etc This doesn't prove rape but it does indicate that they were forcibly removed as opposed to her willingly taken them off. Iam pretty sure also (but open to correction) that his version of events contradict this because he said she followed him into the bathroom and largely took off her own clothes before sex. Evidence suggests he took off her clothes and used force.

It must have been a bathtub with some very sharp edges.